2016 Postmortem

cyberpunk

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125. We're not having difficulty. We're pussyfooting it.

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:13 AM

Jul 2016

If we really wanted to fight a war with the aims to end a war, we'd have been done with this in six days. Hell, how long did Desert Storm last? But we're more fixated on surgically striking and droning people, which COULD be useful if y'know, we weren't giving the adversary time to rest on their laurels and put a new person in the high-level spot we just surgically vacated. We have to make a choice, all or nothing, and at least stop pussyfooting around the situation. I'm against the wars we've been embroiled in for the past fifteen years, but y'know what, as a veteran, if we're gonna try to withdraw, we either let the adversary take the land, or we carpet bomb it till the rubble bounces.

War isn't pretty, and this administration needs to stop thinking it can be made pretty/

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These "no more war" assholes need to explain how we end the wars without ISIS taking over [View all] realmirage Jul 2016 OP

Easy: Don't go over there and displace governments John Poet Jul 2016 #1

Yeah, and who did that? That was the Shrub who did that DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #2

Yes, Shrub-- supported by a whole lot of Democrats who John Poet Jul 2016 #4

We just sent 560 troops and are preparing to send more for an up coming battle in Mosal think Jul 2016 #27

my POINT is DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #31

This is truth FrodosPet Jul 2016 #116

Easy, end dependcy on oil. We have the technology Exilednight Jul 2016 #120

No - NOT easy leftynyc Jul 2016 #139

why do they radicalize? Exilednight Jul 2016 #141

It doesn't matter now leftynyc Jul 2016 #143

The first step in solvung problem is properly identifying it. Exilednight Jul 2016 #144

I'd take every single military person leftynyc Jul 2016 #145

You'd see a lot less self radicalization here and in Europe if Exilednight Jul 2016 #147

While I'd be happy to navel gaze leftynyc Jul 2016 #148

We have to take the first step before moving on to that step. As long as Exilednight Jul 2016 #149

Sigh leftynyc Jul 2016 #150

You're looking for a solution that doesn't exist. it's the same as your neighbor Exilednight Jul 2016 #154

So just ignore it? leftynyc Jul 2016 #155

No. I never said ignore it. Exilednight Jul 2016 #162

And who else voted for it?????? adigal Jul 2016 #101

and Obama Warren Stupidity Jul 2016 #110

Yeah because Saddam was such a gem. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #3

Well, then why don't we just invade Honduras John Poet Jul 2016 #6

Are you advocating US military intervention? JaneyVee Jul 2016 #7

That is what your sentiment seems to suggest. John Poet Jul 2016 #18

Shrub caused a mess. A still ongoing mess. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #21

Talking out of both sides of your mouth runaway hero Jul 2016 #30

The Prophet Mohammed and the Crusaders had their part as well FrodosPet Jul 2016 #124

Oh that is a duzy. pangaia Jul 2016 #127

And thanks to our illegal invasion dflprincess Jul 2016 #24

True. An illegal invasion it was. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #72

And if not for the invasion, his capture, and his execution FrodosPet Jul 2016 #128

Wow.... think Jul 2016 #29

So just to be clear on this, you supported a war of aggression against Iraq. Warren Stupidity Jul 2016 #112

To late. We can't change it now. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #5

We DON'T fix anything by trying to shut down dissent here, John Poet Jul 2016 #9

boy oh boy DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #11

The wars have cause massive problems with refugees. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #16

"no more war" isn't dissent, it's gibberish that has no basis in reality right now realmirage Jul 2016 #23

Then get busy. tazkcmo Jul 2016 #48

The war has already been going for quite some time if you haven't noticed. Please explain realmirage Jul 2016 #61

Yes Bush started the Iraq war and subsequent administration continued the wars many long years, avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #73

Hello? Are you responding to my OP from the year 2003? realmirage Jul 2016 #8

Not by trying to shut up peace activists. John Poet Jul 2016 #10

they're BoBers who are playing at being peace activists DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #12

exactlyyyy realmirage Jul 2016 #20

+1 sarae Jul 2016 #41

I'm just shaking my head at how you paint everyone with the same BoB brush adigal Jul 2016 #102

+1! tecelote Jul 2016 #105

If you dissent, you'll be beaten until you can't speak anymore. eom cyberpunk Jul 2016 #123

Again I ask, what meaning does "no more war" have if that's not possible without killing ourselves realmirage Jul 2016 #14

Is that what they are today? nt procon Jul 2016 #32

Why don't we start by rhetorically beating up on some peace activists? John Poet Jul 2016 #46

Don't change the subject. I've asked you to explain how we get out of the wars realmirage Jul 2016 #65

Stop me if I'm wrong workinclasszero Jul 2016 #35

AGREED realmirage Jul 2016 #38

Who continued the wars, after the GOP was no longer in power? John Poet Jul 2016 #43

Oh I get it... workinclasszero Jul 2016 #67

& 9/11? that was our fault too? uhnope Jul 2016 #109

It was ultimately the result of long term US foreign policy. Kentonio Jul 2016 #131

how exactly did we hurt poor Osama Bin Laden and those Saudi assholes who did 9/11? n/t uhnope Jul 2016 #132

By supporting Israel lancer78 Jul 2016 #167

Your solution to defeating ISIS is time-travel? DetlefK Jul 2016 #113

Looking backward is unproductive leftynyc Jul 2016 #138

Guess I'm just another "no more war" asshole. stone space Jul 2016 #13

Ok, so then you need to explain how we end the wars without ISIS taking over and us having realmirage Jul 2016 #17

That you, W ? John Poet Jul 2016 #22

Do you know anything about the situation there? realmirage Jul 2016 #25

wow stone space Jul 2016 #28

Another no more war asshole here, that's me. Nt lostnfound Jul 2016 #54

Ok, so then explain your plan to get us out of Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan without ISIS realmirage Jul 2016 #59

We're the biggest dog on the planet and bad people are always testing us and our allies. procon Jul 2016 #39

So your solution to isis is.....what? leftynyc Jul 2016 #140

I wouldn't go there either Uponthegears Jul 2016 #15

Ok, then you need to explain how we pull out of Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan without realmirage Jul 2016 #19

How about this Uponthegears Jul 2016 #40

How do we improve their lives if they're being lined up on the ground realmirage Jul 2016 #63

They are not under constant control Uponthegears Jul 2016 #70

Oh, did I mention Uponthegears Jul 2016 #45

Oh, and one more thing Uponthegears Jul 2016 #47

You guys said Trump couldn't ban muslims runaway hero Jul 2016 #26

We already have war. Explain to me how we end these wars without ISIS destroying us realmirage Jul 2016 #36

But that can't be possible runaway hero Jul 2016 #44

We need more war HassleCat Jul 2016 #33

No, it's on you to explain how we get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria without killing ourselves realmirage Jul 2016 #37

Crickets redstateblues Jul 2016 #133

Playing into their hands HassleCat Jul 2016 #165

Issue Letters Marque to the Zetas AngryAmish Jul 2016 #34

What most people mean is this. jonestonesusa Jul 2016 #42

It may not always be that simple. procon Jul 2016 #53

So our recent wars have been jonestonesusa Jul 2016 #55

Its still not a one size fits all solution, yeah? nt procon Jul 2016 #58

I agree it's not a one size fits all solution jonestonesusa Jul 2016 #69

Doesn't matter, it's less about the ones shouting No more war, and more about who they're shouting SammyWinstonJack Jul 2016 #81

Muslim countries need to take over this fight. riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #49

Ok so explain how we do that. Explain how those 3 countries, which have failed to realmirage Jul 2016 #57

KSA, Kuwait, Qatar, UAE - ie, some of the richest countries in the world step up riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #62

Ok so now explain how we convince them to do that, and explain HOW they can beat ISIS realmirage Jul 2016 #64

Nope. It's their civil war. We just get out. riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #68

You're an educated Hillary supporter? You read Bernie's positions? Arazi Jul 2016 #75

We're not having difficulty. We're pussyfooting it. cyberpunk Jul 2016 #125

My GOD man anoNY42 Jul 2016 #106

I so agree TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author elehhhhna Jul 2016 #50

that's one of the most preposterous things I've seen all day.... mike_c Jul 2016 #51

I'm referring to the chanters at the convention. I think it's clear that their timing is idiotic. realmirage Jul 2016 #56

There's a nasty infestation of authoritarian professed-Democrats John Poet Jul 2016 #77

Hillary decided to run for president, that's what happened to DU. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2016 #84

Neocolonial "liberals". eom cyberpunk Jul 2016 #126

The self-marginalizing loony left rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #52

Law enforcement zipplewrath Jul 2016 #60

The problem with some people is that they live in Ivory towers. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #66

You got it right Agador. I didn't say I like it, but realmirage Jul 2016 #78

Proud NMWA!!! bigwillq Jul 2016 #74

About the same way we got out of Vietnam-we left. jalan48 Jul 2016 #76

Please tell me you aren't comparing ISIS realmirage Jul 2016 #80

That's what I'm telling you. It's never ending war for the US. jalan48 Jul 2016 #82

No. Go research the aims of North Vietnam realmirage Jul 2016 #83

LOL-our government lied to us about Vietnam-you know that right? jalan48 Jul 2016 #85

I am trying to be restrained here. realmirage Jul 2016 #86

Stay relaxed. jalan48 Jul 2016 #89

Our government isn't saying it, ISIS is. realmirage Jul 2016 #90

The real message is fear. jalan48 Jul 2016 #91

So the Paris attacks, Orlando, etc aren't real huh? realmirage Jul 2016 #93

Yep-they are. How do you fight a war against ideas, especially religious ones? jalan48 Jul 2016 #94

You prevent those ideas from getting control of countries realmirage Jul 2016 #95

It sounds like a good idea. jalan48 Jul 2016 #97

Al Queda anoNY42 Jul 2016 #107

The only thing necessary... MrWendel Jul 2016 #79

We lost. Get out. Get over it. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #87

Am I in the twilight zone? realmirage Jul 2016 #88

We've been through the "falling dominoes" before. Remember? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #96

Or, it's working exactly as planned. tecelote Jul 2016 #108

Even worse, the North Vietnamese were going to be puppets of the Chinese DefenseLawyer Jul 2016 #153

'No more war" is a goal, not a policy Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #92

They're already collapsing. Turns out administering territory is expensive. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #98

It's quite possible to be utterly opposed to war and NOT be a total asshole @ the Dem convention. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #99

The world is a very violent place, and how we protect ourselves and help The Second Stone Jul 2016 #100

I support those who chanted "NO MORE WAR." David__77 Jul 2016 #103

Uh anoNY42 Jul 2016 #104

As a Vietnam veteran, I applaud them! B Calm Jul 2016 #111

As a Vietnam veteran, can you answer the question? DetlefK Jul 2016 #114

Can you? B Calm Jul 2016 #115

Step 1: Don't stop bombing the shit out of ISIS. DetlefK Jul 2016 #119

And you still haven't answered your own question B Calm Jul 2016 #121

Sorry, my bad. Here is my answer: DetlefK Jul 2016 #122

Looks like no win situations for the USA, unless you are a war profiteer. B Calm Jul 2016 #129

This is not about the US. DetlefK Jul 2016 #130

Are you willing to put your life in arms way for this never ending war? B Calm Jul 2016 #135

Pfft. I might as well ask you the counter-question: DetlefK Jul 2016 #137

This is perverse anoNY42 Jul 2016 #151

Thanks for answering my question. B Calm Jul 2016 #152

enact an embargo on arms sales, for one Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #117

"Six Steps Short of War to Beat ISIS" Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #118

After more than 14 years of the wrong answers and the disasters that followed, do you have anything Glassunion Jul 2016 #134

Oy, vey. TransitJohn Jul 2016 #136

I'm opposed much more to the undeclared, endless pseudowars we keep fighting for Cheney. Orsino Jul 2016 #142

The anti-war crowd are almost always proven right. cpwm17 Jul 2016 #146

Ok, so tell me what you think will happen if we pull out of there tomorrow and ISIS gets control realmirage Jul 2016 #160

We're not the only nation fighting ISIS. cpwm17 Jul 2016 #161

Watch this, which I know you wont realmirage Jul 2016 #163

get our allies like Turkey to stop buying oil from them? other allies from funding them? yurbud Jul 2016 #156

I agree, and we've been trying, but we can't force Turkey to do anything realmirage Jul 2016 #159

freeze the assets of those trading the oil and even ban exports of oil from Turkey yurbud Jul 2016 #166

It's funny how the legal and diplomatic niceties only matter when it would really solve a problem yurbud Jul 2016 #168

Maybe if the "more war" assholes had a plan GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #157

It has been, mostly. There have been a couple of errors, as will happen, but realmirage Jul 2016 #158

MORE WAR MORE WAR MORE WAR MORE WAR MORE chascarrillo Jul 2016 #164