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2016 Postmortem

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auntpurl

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Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:34 AM Jul 2016

The legacy of "The Left" [View all]

Last edited Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:05 AM - Edit history (1)

Those of you who want to defend the convention protestors (I certainly won't call them Bernie supporters, because it seems like the vast majority of Bernie supporters want to disavow these people and distance themselves from this mess) for their right to free speech, their right to their convictions, etc, let me tell you what I see, and what I think a lot of the rest of the world sees.

The problem "The Left" (and I'm using that on purpose in quotation marks like that because what I'm talking about is the IMAGE the left carries for most people) has ALWAYS had is pragmatic people edging away from them going, "Ooh, that seems a little extreme, I'd rather not." OR, "You mean those granola hippies? No thanks". And MANY people are pragmatic, middle-of-the-roaders. So much so that they put Michael Bloomberg, a former Republican, on the stage of the DNC last night in prime time for a Trump takedown.

So "The Left" can't organise and they can't win anything, not even dogcatcher, because they can't build a strong base. The Greens can't win anything. They have no power. This is not necessarily because the Greens' positions are unattractive to lots of people. It's more because they attract the sort of fringe elements that have no sense of EFFECTIVE intervention. Not appropriate (as in "Oh, it's not appropriate to scream over a speaker at the DNC who is trying to take Trump DOWN&quot , but EFFECTIVE (as in "when is the most opportune time for us to get our message heard AND not turn off millions of people to our cause?&quot .

I, personally, will NEVER forget the fact the the actions of these protestors throughout the convention have made it easier for Trump to win. No matter how much or how little you take them seriously, the net result was negative. I KNOW I am not alone in feeling that way.

So what happens next? I know that I, personally, will be MORE inclined to CLOSED primaries, superdelegates to save us from idiots, and never again letting a populist who just became a Democrat run on the Democratic ticket.

And that is a SHAME. Because what Bernie did was marry his populist message with a long history of political savvy. What he's got that the young people who followed him DON'T have is a history in politics and a knowledge of history, period. So he was able to promote his message in a way that appealed to middle of the roaders as well as the "The Left".

"The Left" has now left Bernie behind. They don't understand or respect compromise. They don't understand or respect political reality. They genuinely think that if Trump burns the whole thing down, somehow out of the ashes will rise...the Peace-loving Left? When was the last time THAT happened at the end of a fascist rule? I mean, seriously, how on earth do these people think somehow THEY'RE going to end up with the reins of power? That is NOT what happens when you elect a dangerous demagogue to the highest office!

They are hurting Bernie's legacy, and I feel sad for the millions and millions of Bernie supporters who are still WITH HIM, all the way to the voting booth in November to vote for Hillary. Because those TRUE Bernie supporters are reasonable people who've lost a battle but are NOT prepared to lose the war. They want to continue with Bernie's revolution, and elect progressives at ALL levels of political office. But will they get the support they need on the local level after this display at the DNC? Will they be tarred with the same brush? I hope not. But I fear so.

This is not a bash on Bernie, but I DO think he bears some responsibility here. He was caught between a rock and a hard place, but I wish he'd found a more effective way to speak to these young people and try to make them see reality. But the other responsibility Bernie bears is that he spent the whole primary telling them that Hillary was a corporate tool. It's hard for them to make the transition because of those words that Bernie spoke many times.

The difference between "The Left" and the ACTUAL left is huge. But the media is lumping them ALL together. *I* am on the left! But these people are not on my side. I'm not with them. I am embarrassed for my party because they are doing what they're doing. That makes me MUCH less likely to want to support them later. I know I am one of thousands or millions who feel the same way. And that makes us MORE likely to move toward the status quo, not less.

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The legacy of "The Left" [View all] auntpurl Jul 2016 OP
Wow. Nicely written, Auntpurl. It covers everything. Perfect! NurseJackie Jul 2016 #1
Thank you. auntpurl Jul 2016 #4
Consider this an almost Rec Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #2
I hear you, and I have removed the "liar" part from my OP. auntpurl Jul 2016 #3
Thank you. OK, close enoiugh for a Rec then :) Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #9
Brava auntpurl! rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #5
Well, as I did in my OP, I want to make a distinction auntpurl Jul 2016 #10
Tired of the hippie punching. TDale313 Jul 2016 #6
Oh, brother. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #8
That is literally the opposite of the point I was making. auntpurl Jul 2016 #11
"Hippie punching" forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #25
Well written Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2016 #7
The parliamentary system has its own problems auntpurl Jul 2016 #14
Thanks for your reply Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2016 #16
There are more choices here, and more "viable" choices auntpurl Jul 2016 #19
This is a long article Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2016 #21
They aren't the real left, fortunately. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #12
Whether they are or not (I don't know what's in someone's heart) auntpurl Jul 2016 #17
I don't think they can organize their way out of a paper bag. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #29
There is some truth in that, but you are WAY overgeneralizing Armstead Jul 2016 #13
The only way I can reply is to say auntpurl Jul 2016 #20
As to your basic point Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #15
It's always a tough question but auntpurl Jul 2016 #22
The state of California has been taken over and is run by what used to be "The Left." Tatiana Jul 2016 #18
Thank you for your reply, great post. auntpurl Jul 2016 #23
I understand your concerns and I think we agree. Tatiana Jul 2016 #30
Yes, we do agree. auntpurl Jul 2016 #35
The new left are not good at organizing and give up too quickly. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #24
I suspect all young people always have felt that way auntpurl Jul 2016 #27
"Hey hey, LBJ, How many kids did you kill today!" Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #34
Yeah, pretty much sums it up perfectly. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #26
Thanks nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #32
I think you might like this article forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #28
Yeah, wow, this is amazing. auntpurl Jul 2016 #31
We actually have a model for what coalition politics can do: The "Front Populaire" of the 30s/40s. forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #33
You might need a Hitler to fight against to make people come together like that auntpurl Jul 2016 #36
I think it's silly to worry about them. Orsino Jul 2016 #37
I've been phone-banking for Hillary all afternoon between work auntpurl Jul 2016 #38
I guess it's time tor me to put up... Orsino Jul 2016 #43
What do we want? Gradual incremental change! TransitJohn Jul 2016 #39
"Where are we going?!" "PLANET TEN!!" klook Jul 2016 #46
Here is a fact. The radical fringe started warning you all about Trump decades ago. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #40
Cool, so what you're saying is you are fine with the media's characterization of the left JCanete Jul 2016 #41
I know you're afraid of how the media and voters are viewing the protesters. Avalux Jul 2016 #42
K&R JoePhilly Jul 2016 #44
Hillary supporters-it's time to turn the page. Focus on Trump, he's the real problem. jalan48 Jul 2016 #45
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