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2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: The legacy of "The Left" [View all]

Tom Rinaldo

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15. As to your basic point
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:41 AM
Jul 2016

I suspect if you and I ever had the opportunity and pleasure of sitting down for a long talk, we would agree on many points and still have some differences between us on others. Nothing unusual about that. I praise you for writing this OP because of the subject you introduced for discussion. How does a radical indictment of the status quo galvanize a governing majority of Americans to march beneath that banner? Pulling that off is the difference between victory and essential social change on one hand, and defeat and the continued hollowing out of America on the other.

For too many decades now we have erred, whether by design or fear, on the side of blandness - and the dangerous repercussions of that are all around us. But there have always been too many on the Left who show an enduring difficulty to engage with most Americans where they, for whatever reasons, currently stand - and too often that results in should be allies to our cause being repelled by rather than drawn toward it.

I am proud of Bernie Sanders for showing such leadership and courage in trying to thread that difficult needle, and doing so so astonishingly well, given how far short so many others have fallen in that quest before him. And I unhesitatingly support his endorsement of Hilary Clinton at this stage in this election.

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The legacy of "The Left" [View all] auntpurl Jul 2016 OP
Wow. Nicely written, Auntpurl. It covers everything. Perfect! NurseJackie Jul 2016 #1
Thank you. auntpurl Jul 2016 #4
Consider this an almost Rec Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #2
I hear you, and I have removed the "liar" part from my OP. auntpurl Jul 2016 #3
Thank you. OK, close enoiugh for a Rec then :) Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #9
Brava auntpurl! rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #5
Well, as I did in my OP, I want to make a distinction auntpurl Jul 2016 #10
Tired of the hippie punching. TDale313 Jul 2016 #6
Oh, brother. NurseJackie Jul 2016 #8
That is literally the opposite of the point I was making. auntpurl Jul 2016 #11
"Hippie punching" forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #25
Well written Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2016 #7
The parliamentary system has its own problems auntpurl Jul 2016 #14
Thanks for your reply Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2016 #16
There are more choices here, and more "viable" choices auntpurl Jul 2016 #19
This is a long article Buckeye_Democrat Jul 2016 #21
They aren't the real left, fortunately. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #12
Whether they are or not (I don't know what's in someone's heart) auntpurl Jul 2016 #17
I don't think they can organize their way out of a paper bag. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #29
There is some truth in that, but you are WAY overgeneralizing Armstead Jul 2016 #13
The only way I can reply is to say auntpurl Jul 2016 #20
As to your basic point Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #15
It's always a tough question but auntpurl Jul 2016 #22
The state of California has been taken over and is run by what used to be "The Left." Tatiana Jul 2016 #18
Thank you for your reply, great post. auntpurl Jul 2016 #23
I understand your concerns and I think we agree. Tatiana Jul 2016 #30
Yes, we do agree. auntpurl Jul 2016 #35
The new left are not good at organizing and give up too quickly. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #24
I suspect all young people always have felt that way auntpurl Jul 2016 #27
"Hey hey, LBJ, How many kids did you kill today!" Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #34
Yeah, pretty much sums it up perfectly. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #26
Thanks nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #32
I think you might like this article forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #28
Yeah, wow, this is amazing. auntpurl Jul 2016 #31
We actually have a model for what coalition politics can do: The "Front Populaire" of the 30s/40s. forjusticethunders Jul 2016 #33
You might need a Hitler to fight against to make people come together like that auntpurl Jul 2016 #36
I think it's silly to worry about them. Orsino Jul 2016 #37
I've been phone-banking for Hillary all afternoon between work auntpurl Jul 2016 #38
I guess it's time tor me to put up... Orsino Jul 2016 #43
What do we want? Gradual incremental change! TransitJohn Jul 2016 #39
"Where are we going?!" "PLANET TEN!!" klook Jul 2016 #46
Here is a fact. The radical fringe started warning you all about Trump decades ago. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #40
Cool, so what you're saying is you are fine with the media's characterization of the left JCanete Jul 2016 #41
I know you're afraid of how the media and voters are viewing the protesters. Avalux Jul 2016 #42
K&R JoePhilly Jul 2016 #44
Hillary supporters-it's time to turn the page. Focus on Trump, he's the real problem. jalan48 Jul 2016 #45
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