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2016 Postmortem

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Wed Aug 3, 2016, 01:44 PM Aug 2016

people are acting as if hillary is guaranteed to win in a landslide [View all]

people on both sides are acting as if trump is more of an electoral disaster for republicans than we had in 1972 or 1984, when republicans won *49* states each time.

i'm certainly enjoying having the better candidate and being ahead in the polls, but let's keep it real:

trump is down by about *5* percentage points. not 15%, not 25%, just *five*.

if trump manages to win all the "toss-up" states, in most forecast models, he wins.


most likely, republicans will manage to get trump better handled and trump will hold it together long enough to get through election day. he'll have his share of gaffes and outrages, but they'll dress him up to look somewhat respectable.

i'm still comfortable predicting a victory for hillary, but it will be nothing like the disaster for republicans that many now seem to think trump will be.

at least not an electoral disaster. a branding disaster, sure; but that's a whole nothing ballgame.

keep in mind also that winning the senate is crucial to hillary's effectiveness, certainly with respect to appointments, particularly to the supreme court. that was widely seen as quite possible long before trump clinched the nomination and that remains hardly a given.


we've still got work to do.

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This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #1
Not as big a mistake as excessive anxiety and demoralizing displays of fearmongering. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #11
What "fake concern" are you talking about TeddyR Aug 2016 #26
Nope. It's useless negativity intended to make DUers afraid and depressed. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #31
Yeah, I've noticed that too. People still have to go vote, and not just talk about it. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #2
she is treestar Aug 2016 #3
even models that confidently predict hillary winning don't have her winning by much. unblock Aug 2016 #7
Right. Don't gloat - Vote! Beartracks Aug 2016 #4
People are acting as if DU'ers are stupid and won't bother to GOTV emulatorloo Aug 2016 #5
oh, no, i know du'ers will work hard. unblock Aug 2016 #8
Yeah Trump will never drop out. He seems very convinced that his strategy is working. emulatorloo Aug 2016 #10
I think Trump will lose by historically huge margins. stopbush Aug 2016 #6
Your concern is noted... StraightRazor Aug 2016 #9
I'm not laughing much at the jokes Dem2 Aug 2016 #12
Let us have this. liberalmuse Aug 2016 #13
my post wasn't directly (only) at democrats, but also at republicans and the media unblock Aug 2016 #22
Many people undecided, on the fence, not paying attention, etc. vote for who they think will win. Binkie The Clown Aug 2016 #14
You can not overestimate the Bandwagon Effect.... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #16
Trump is falling to pieces. Orsino Aug 2016 #15
Exactly! And we ought not kid ourselves: All these ReThugs bitching about Trump **WILL** still vote Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2016 #17
Of course we have to turn out and GOTV. MineralMan Aug 2016 #18
350+ is a pipe dream. possible in theory, but i really can't see it happening. unblock Aug 2016 #23
People also hold Hillary to a much higher standard, so even a small mistake unitedwethrive Aug 2016 #19
yes indeed. racists and sexists. unblock Aug 2016 #24
This point cannot be overstated enough.... vi5 Aug 2016 #33
Many of the crazies are digging (WILL dig) lillypaddle Aug 2016 #20
Sometime you get to look a gift horse in the mouth, MyNameGoesHere Aug 2016 #21
Our GOTV effort is not just about the White House now. We have an opportunity to take back TeamPooka Aug 2016 #25
Guaranteed and extremely heavily favored are two different things. stopbush Aug 2016 #27
it's not even just about likelihood, although yes, that's looking quite good at the moment unblock Aug 2016 #29
I knew - knew - that Hillary would win the nomination after she won NV. stopbush Aug 2016 #36
hillary had the nomination sewn up before the first primary. unblock Aug 2016 #39
"most likely, republicans will manage to get trump better handled..." brooklynite Aug 2016 #28
trump himself made a stupid joke early on, "oh, i can do presidential" unblock Aug 2016 #30
Everyone laughed at the stupid stuff reagan used to say cutroot Aug 2016 #32
i was appalled that shrub got elected, then thought for sure we'd had enough by 2004. unblock Aug 2016 #35
Always act as if we're five points down. Philly-Union-Man Aug 2016 #34
Very possible and there is nothing wrong with being optimistic. DCBob Aug 2016 #37
Ever since The Terminator won my state (twice!) I take nothing for granted. Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #38
Trump will NEVER win all of the "toss-up" states. JoePhilly Aug 2016 #40
I tend to look at what the moneyline is Go Vols Aug 2016 #41
Hillary winning at 77.7% today Go Vols Aug 2016 #49
A few days of comic relief won't cost us the election. There is lots to do, but if we ... Hekate Aug 2016 #42
the way it's going im really thinking he will be replaced. n/t. okieinpain Aug 2016 #43
Big Republican money is going to down-ticket races DFW Aug 2016 #44
They're in no real danger of losing the house unblock Aug 2016 #45
No, we are not. That's the media. Don't fall for it. They know what they are doing. glennward Aug 2016 #46
A lot of replies show this is being taken personally unblock Aug 2016 #47
If they don't somehow lose Trump, they are in danger of losing The Second Stone Aug 2016 #48
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