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Demsrule86

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63. They do show up off year.
Sun Aug 7, 2016, 01:20 PM
Aug 2016

They are the ones (Greens) who called Obama a 'sell out' and wanted to primary him in 12. They demoralize the voters off- year by attacking the party. Third parties are bad, and Stein is really trying to elect Trump which makes her very very bad and perhaps evil is not too strong a word.

What do you mean by bad? brooklynite Aug 2016 #1
I keep seeking these threads that are saying "Stein is bad" or "Johnson is bad." Third parties are a Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #8
Well, read the responses and then maybe you'll get it. n/t seaglass Aug 2016 #11
Yeah some actually vote for and support them...no idea why. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #53
Jill Stein was on C-SPAN and basically basically parrotted the Democratic Platform. politicaljunkie41910 Aug 2016 #98
This is Democratic Underground. You're not going to get a lot of support for 3rd party candidates Fla Dem Aug 2016 #104
I would say that anything that furthers the candidacy of a candidate like Trump is bad. Tal Vez Aug 2016 #2
Or W or anybody worse than the going candidate, which means, people will always have a reason JCanete Aug 2016 #44
Anyone pushing a 3rd party candidate in THIS ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #3
^^^this^^^ Freddie Aug 2016 #5
^^^This!!! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #69
Context is important. I'm sure they're not bad people.... Avalux Aug 2016 #4
And consider the bad outcomes Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #56
No. They're just irrelevant, except as possible spoilers. MineralMan Aug 2016 #6
Anderson '80, Perot '92, Nader '00, Johnson and Stein '16 did not (and will not) TAKE anyone's votes Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #14
I disagree with that argument. MineralMan Aug 2016 #21
What evidence do you want? Are you asking for evidence that third parties do not steal votes from Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #30
Me? I don't want anything. MineralMan Aug 2016 #31
+1 NNadir Aug 2016 #81
Semantic games rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #85
It's a more useful protest than staying at home. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #42
Protest votes are for those who are privelged and can afford to deal with bad consequences Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #58
A lot of people from marginalized groups vote third party too. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #88
Ralph Nader good/bad Protalker Aug 2016 #7
I don't know about "bad", but they're still opponents. Curtland1015 Aug 2016 #9
They can't win, but they sure as hell can doom us all to a psycho POTUS who can't wait to use nukes onecaliberal Aug 2016 #10
Of course they're bad. JaneyVee Aug 2016 #12
Yes. Voting 3rd party is equivalent to sending "thoughts and prayers" PeaceNikki Aug 2016 #13
No not bad. What is bad are protest voters who vote against their own party. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2016 #15
Whoever gets a plurality of votes wins & it's a winner take all system. baldguy Aug 2016 #16
Not true PeaceNikki Aug 2016 #18
What are you talking about? This isn't about having the Presidency decided by Congress. baldguy Aug 2016 #55
It could happen if the third parties got enough votes Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #59
I was responding to a specific word you used: "plurality" PeaceNikki Aug 2016 #67
It sounds to me like you're DEFENDING Stein and Johnson in the most subtle ... NurseJackie Aug 2016 #17
Let's be clear: Neither Stein nor Johnson are qualified to be president and neither has a snowball's Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #22
You skate on thin ice and walk a razor's edge when you flatter these spoilers by making … NurseJackie Aug 2016 #32
Defending the concept of democracy isn't flattering spoilers. Neither Johnson nor Stein is qualified Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #39
Yet you choose to flatter the spoilers in your attempts to "defend the concept of democracy". NurseJackie Aug 2016 #74
If you think "UNQUALIFIED" and "ZERO CHANCE OF WINNING" is flattery, I hesitate to guess what you Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #78
Grouping them with Abe and Teddy ... but you knew that. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #99
There are times that I wish for coalition representation Ruby the Liberal Aug 2016 #19
It would be much better that way. I wouldn't be a Democrat probably though. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #45
Jerks and buffoons are always bad. randome Aug 2016 #20
A viable third-party candidate would be scary. Johnson-Weld and Stein-Baraka are no more than an Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #26
I don't believe Stein who somehow has the money to run ads in swing states Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #61
The Republicans were the main opposition to the Democrats in 1860 and 1856. Zynx Aug 2016 #23
Under our system, they distort the will of the people. dawg Aug 2016 #24
How does voting for the candidate of one's choice distort the will of the people? Neither Stein nor Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #28
Presumably Stein voters want the country to move leftward. But Stein won't win ... dawg Aug 2016 #29
What if you want smaller government, less taxes, legal weed, and repeal of the Patriot Act? Neither Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #35
They only have two realistic choices ... Trump or Clinton. dawg Aug 2016 #36
In Texas, you could argue that you "only have two realistic choices ... Republican or Tea Party" so Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #46
I sometimes vote in the Republican primary here in Georgia. :) dawg Aug 2016 #75
That makes zero sense. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #77
Really appreciate your post. A dose of reality about Texas Dems, Texas Dem Candidates and emulatorloo Aug 2016 #103
Yes I think they are bad candidates. hrmjustin Aug 2016 #25
fuck Ron Paul. stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #27
You're an intelligent person and your post is in bad faith WillyBrandt Aug 2016 #33
Let's agree on ten points: 1. Trump, Stein and Johnson are all unqualified to be president; Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #65
I doubt you'd be posting this if someone else was our nominee. grossproffit Aug 2016 #34
If Sanders was our nominee, I'd be even more concerned that mocking and disparaging third party Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #54
No, true 3rd parties are not bad. Yavin4 Aug 2016 #37
They do show up off year. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #63
Short answer: Yes, because the US-election-system sucks. DetlefK Aug 2016 #38
Not true in the Presidentail election with the Electoral College PeaceNikki Aug 2016 #40
And what about House- and Senate-elections? DetlefK Aug 2016 #101
They are our opponents in a zero-sum game nt geek tragedy Aug 2016 #41
Agreed. Greens and Libertarians are tiny minorities in a zero sum game. But in many races there are Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #47
The fact that they don't bother with local races geek tragedy Aug 2016 #49
Stein is a opportunistic wack job ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #43
"amen" to that! etherealtruth Aug 2016 #50
Is the phrase "helping Trump by splitting the anti-Trump vote" in any way hard to understand? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #48
Johnson & Stein aren't splitting the anti-Trump vote any more than splitting the anti-Clinton vote Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #70
Any person who is intentionally aiding tRump KMOD Aug 2016 #51
Some third-party candidates are hateful spoilers bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #52
You don't know a lot about history if you think Stein = Teddy Roosevelt emulatorloo Aug 2016 #57
And Teddy Roosevelt elected Woodrow Wilson a Democrat. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #62
Neither one of the third party candidates can really be compared to the others you listed. Agschmid Aug 2016 #60
I think it is all situational and subjective liberal N proud Aug 2016 #64
What kind of democracy is it that offers only two choices? It is the system that is bad. Imagine Doodley Aug 2016 #66
You're going to have to move to another country for that Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #82
I want Trump Doodley Aug 2016 #84
I want Trump Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #87
They're a threat to our candidate winning in November. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #68
In a change versus status quo election, they divide the change vote. Pretty sure that helps us. Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #71
Bullshit. JoePhilly Aug 2016 #73
OK - use your term. In a sane versus insane election, I'm pretty sure they divide the insane vote. Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #76
I have no problem if crazy people vote for ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #79
Status-Quo = white male racist predatory capitalist emulatorloo Aug 2016 #83
Stein-Baraka are EVIL. Johnson-Weld are EVIL, They are also being pushed by Russia. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #72
Smaller party candidates... NCTraveler Aug 2016 #80
Considering the Green Party isn't in it to win the election, they're in it to be professional bananakabob Aug 2016 #86
By the same logic, the Democratic Party is just a spoiler party in deep red states like Texas. Also, Attorney in Texas Aug 2016 #90
He's trying to dupe the Berniecrats. bananakabob Aug 2016 #93
I noticed you conveniently forgot to list 2000 Ralph Nader...why? As it's the perfect beachbumbob Aug 2016 #89
Perhaps because that example ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #91
And the only one even remotely comparable. TwilightZone Aug 2016 #94
+1 JoePhilly Aug 2016 #95
no matter how many ways you guys try to defend this, Jill Stein is an irresponsible asshole. nt La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #92
Some folks are ultra-partisan and hate anything outside of the two parties. Rex Aug 2016 #96
In a democracy, the people are supposed to have choices. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2016 #97
No. The more choices, the better. I hate the current duopoly. Throd Aug 2016 #100
The American propensity to turn into blithering idiots whenever the subject of race comes up Bucky Aug 2016 #102
Stein-Baraka & Johnson-Weld are idiots. I am sure you agree. LexVegas Aug 2016 #105
I imagine there is a relevant difference between a moral absolute and a political opponent LanternWaste Aug 2016 #106
Depends entirely on the candidate and the election. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2016 #107
The 2 party "system" is the number one thing wrong with American politics. . CBGLuthier Aug 2016 #108
Not all of them. But Jill Stein and Ralph Nader are definitely bad. DanTex Aug 2016 #109
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