2016 Postmortem

CajunBlazer

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Thu Aug 11, 2016, 04:15 PM

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For those think Stein will not be able to affect this election: [View all] CajunBlazer Aug 2016 OP

Johnson will take votes from Trump if anybody. Stein won't get 1%. Stop bringing either up tonyt53 Aug 2016 #1

Stein won't get 1% - is that your personal guarantee? CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #4

Every time their name is mentioned, some people equate that with popularity. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #79

I was just wondering where you bought your crystal ball CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #80

She's not even on the ballot in most states. stopbush Aug 2016 #106

Last time I checked a week ago CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #109

Stop telling another DUer what not to post. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #10

Stop brining either up? oberliner Aug 2016 #22

Stop telling another DUer what not to post. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #30

Stop telling CB what to post. If you don't want to read those posts, feel free to ignore. n/t pnwmom Aug 2016 #52

The trend is the opposite I'm afraid. Then there's these new poll with Gary @ 12% NWCorona Aug 2016 #71

So what is the solution? Glamrock Aug 2016 #2

Make the case against those candidates oberliner Aug 2016 #23

Good point Glamrock Aug 2016 #28

I know quite a few people leaning toward Stein RazBerryBeret Aug 2016 #128

The problem with that approach Bradical79 Aug 2016 #61

How about bringing up that Stein isn't qualified to run her own small home town CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #75

Because it doesn't matter Bradical79 Aug 2016 #98

So why don't they just write in Mickey Mouse instead. CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #111

Except for one big difference... brooklynite Aug 2016 #3

Yep, if she wins enough of the other states. CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #5

Your whole case is overblown Stargleamer Aug 2016 #104

The Greens fucked us in two states in 2000, but only FL got the attention. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #36

Thanks for the cred & info! VOX Aug 2016 #39

I am in your debt Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #50

The answer is Greens are not Progressives Expecting Rain Aug 2016 #6

That is horrendously accurate. And depressing. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #65

The Dems don't need Florida. It's hard to find a scenario where Florida is the deciding state. RAFisher Aug 2016 #7

Fuck Stein. Fuck her defenders and all those who think we need to give her a break. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #8

Do not trust Quinnipiac�s numbers CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #9

Generally races thighten as the election approaches CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #12

Nader changed 2000 with only 2.74 percent of the vote. We need to take Stein and Johnson seriously pnwmom Aug 2016 #11

It's not even just a matter of who wins. athena Aug 2016 #13

+10^10^100 nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #31

or Sherman A1 Aug 2016 #35

No one should believe in the anti-vaxx, crazy WiFi conspracy nut Stein. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #38

It is not up to me to decide what people should or should not believe Sherman A1 Aug 2016 #40

No, it is up to you to do what you can to advocate for your party. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #42

Indeed it is Sherman A1 Aug 2016 #44

Duly noted. nt SunSeeker Aug 2016 #48

Not all choices are good choices. athena Aug 2016 #49

Thank You for your opinion Sherman A1 Aug 2016 #51

Thank you for your opinion, such as it is. stevenleser Aug 2016 #64

I have not willfully ignored anything Sherman A1 Aug 2016 #67

Yes you have. stevenleser Aug 2016 #88

Welcome to Sherman A1 Aug 2016 #97

Thanks for doing me the favor. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #100

People absolutely have the right to do everything possible to enable Republican victories. BzaDem Aug 2016 #122

Q polls are the Twitter Joke of the Day. Q should be barred from polling. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #14

+ 1000 .... actually Q adjusted that's +100 ;) OnDoutside Aug 2016 #15

Haa..that is the truth for Q. misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #18

Yeah I get what you're saying axiom3 Aug 2016 #16

I honestly do not even expect Hillary to get Florida. fun n serious Aug 2016 #17

With exception of 1960 and 1992, Florida has carried for all presidential winners since 1928 CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #19

Florida is a must-win for Hillary oberliner Aug 2016 #24

If she him holds the blue wall states Charles Bukowski Aug 2016 #27

I do. Hillary crushed Bernie in 2016 and Obama in 2008 in Florida. She has some serious strength stevenleser Aug 2016 #32

So you think 538 is way off base when they say Hillary clinton has a 77.4% chance of winning Florida womanofthehills Aug 2016 #126

Nope.. She was down that day.. fun n serious Aug 2016 #130

Stein is insignificant... Orsino Aug 2016 #20

The conditions are what they are. Under those conditions Stein could play spoiler. stevenleser Aug 2016 #33

Those other factors are all created by people as well, and will swamp any Stein effect. n/t Orsino Aug 2016 #56

No, it doesn't work that way. If her numbers are the difference that is what it is. stevenleser Aug 2016 #58

And when all those other effects are far more significant... Orsino Aug 2016 #120

There is no such thing as more significant. The factors are what they are. If a third party stevenleser Aug 2016 #121

No, that's addled thinking. Orsino Aug 2016 #132

FiveThirtyEight doesn't even factor Stein in womanofthehills Aug 2016 #112

Check out the NBC/WSJ/Marist polls for Iowa CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #21

Democrats in Iowa are overwhelmingly white, middle class, beneficiaries higher education Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #66

Well count me out of kissing her Republican ass because of threats. NNadir Aug 2016 #25

It is common for third party candidates Charles Bukowski Aug 2016 #26

Charles Bukowski�I am guessing the following� CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #45

Since the President is not elected by the overall popular vote, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #29

They�re interconnected CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #46

But is anyone saying that Stein and Johnson will PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2016 #69

Ask president Romney about this polling company. onecaliberal Aug 2016 #34

�Marist? CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #47

Quinnipiac onecaliberal Aug 2016 #57

I don't have an issue with the continued marginalization of Stein. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #37

Dr. Stein is a willing Trump enabler and history will judge her accordingly. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2016 #41

you are definitely giving her too much power womanofthehills Aug 2016 #127

If she becomes "none of the above" cleveramerican Aug 2016 #43

Quinnipiac has not done well this year so far. apcalc Aug 2016 #53

You mean the 2000 election where 8% of Flori, or roughly a quarter of a million, Democrats voted for Exilednight Aug 2016 #54

Nope, you can't make any judgements about "Democrats voting for Bush" that means nothing. stevenleser Aug 2016 #59

Then you can't make any judgement that Democrats voted for Nader over Gore. It works both ways, but Exilednight Aug 2016 #60

Nobody is making that contention. It doesnt matter what the party ID is. stevenleser Aug 2016 #62

You have absolutely zero evidence to back up that claim. The more realistic option is Exilednight Aug 2016 #70

Arguements aside - let me give you one fact CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #73

By that logic, then the Green Party should already be dead. Exilednight Aug 2016 #92

After 2000 the Green Party effectively died CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #96

Yet you're arguing that they could cost Hillary the election. Which is it, are they dead or are Exilednight Aug 2016 #99

Didn't you even read my post before replying? CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #110

Far left? Are there people arguimg for show trials and executions? Exilednight Aug 2016 #115

Obviously you have missed my points CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #116

So at some point in history the Green Party will do this again? Exilednight Aug 2016 #118

I think that we have come to agreement CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #119

The evidence has been posted here again and again and again. Nader enabled Bush stevenleser Aug 2016 #86

You just argued that those numbers do not matter. 244,000 registered Democrats Exilednight Aug 2016 #90

No I didn't, I said party identification doesn't matter. Don't create straw men. Nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #91

You're creating the strawman. Either they're registered Democrats who are Exilednight Aug 2016 #95

Nope, you didn't read what I wrote. That's why you don't understand what I am saying. stevenleser Aug 2016 #101

What's straightforward is the fact they're you're ignoring all the facts. Exilednight Aug 2016 #108

Hillary and Trump need to do a better job bigwillq Aug 2016 #55

My expectation is that voters have the brain cells to figure out the consequences of their actions. stevenleser Aug 2016 #63

stevenleser�Your �expectation� is not reality CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #76

Whether you think its reality is not the issue. I intend to hold people accountable for it. stevenleser Aug 2016 #85

stevenleser�I am not concerned with what you 'accept' CobaltBlue Aug 2016 #107

It is a most twisted, ignorant, self-centered and amoral choice of action to vote for a third party Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #72

Yep, +1000 CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #77

No. I don't. I considered it ignorant, marybourg Aug 2016 #82

After hundreds of thousands of Iraqis lost their lives, "dodged a bullet" is an interesting way of BzaDem Aug 2016 #123

Forget about the past - Stein is uniquicly unqualified to be President CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #131

No. I agree with democracy. (nt) bigwillq Aug 2016 #102

That's not saying much. After all, many who sincerely wanted Bush also believe in democracy BzaDem Aug 2016 #124

There is no excusing Stein CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #74

Clinton doesn't need FL or OH. Only NH, VA, and PA. She's already at 273. Stein is a non-factor. eom LLStarks Aug 2016 #68

The way to make Stein ineffective is to make a positive case for OUR party and our platform Ken Burch Aug 2016 #78

We can walk and chew gum at the same time CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #81

It's not about deflecting, it's about not wasting time. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #84

+100 Excellent analysis. senz Aug 2016 #87

Jill Stein!!! EEEK!! 1% EEEK!!! Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2016 #83

... senz Aug 2016 #89

Yeah she's pretty disgusting ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #93

I don't like Stein but I also don't like name calling womanofthehills Aug 2016 #113

So do you object if we call Trump names CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #117

No, it's Trump, Trump, Trump. Stein is just his Toadie tool. nt stevenleser Aug 2016 #94

Quinnipiac polling you say? LenaBaby61 Aug 2016 #103

I don't give a FRA about Stein bashing Uponthegears Aug 2016 #105

Ouch. That's not good at all. ucrdem Aug 2016 #114

Stein will be lucky to get a fifth what she's polling at. Lord Magus Aug 2016 #125

Qpac. Not concerned Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #129