2016 Postmortem

Demsrule86

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94. It is not odd at all

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 09:08 AM

Aug 2016

I saw Obama ripped to shreds on this very website actually, in the news and all sorts of left leaning organizations as well...and what happened, we lost Congress...I wonder had we had the presidents back instead of piling on with the right wing hate machine...what might have happened.I think we might have a public option and maybe some infrastructure spending...who knows? The sequester would not have happened either had we not lost Congress. Did losing Congress pull the president left...no, it never does...then a deal must be made with the devil (Republicans). We were very lucky that the GOP refused to work with Obama or we could have ended up with a bunch of rightie 'compromise's from hell. The idea of piling on your guy ...the old hold his feet to the fire meme....if he doesn't do everything you like...well then no more support for you...allows the GOP to advance their agenda and hurts progressives. It demoralizes voters and depresses the vote...especially in midterms.

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Damning Hillary Clinton with Faint Praise [View all] MineralMan Aug 2016 OP

I feel the same way ... only, you explained it much better than I could have. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #1

It's been on my mind the past couple of days. MineralMan Aug 2016 #4

Another difficult thing is: If you say nothing, it becomes "the norm". But if someone calls it out… NurseJackie Aug 2016 #8

Well, I try to say something when I see that strategy being used. MineralMan Aug 2016 #12

You are a treasure MM Thanks. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #17

I second this nomination Cary Aug 2016 #60

I like your posts as well. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #93

Thanks Cary Aug 2016 #98

Me too. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #105

I have asked and I never get a coherent answer Cary Aug 2016 #112

The feet to the fire/concerned squad Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #122

Indeed Cary Aug 2016 #127

Ah, well ... you know .... Cary Aug 2016 #58

Agreed. sheshe2 Aug 2016 #2

I love your posts, Mineralman! So glad you are here. AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #3

You're very kind to say that. MineralMan Aug 2016 #6

Glad to hear you'll keep posting, MM NastyRiffraff Aug 2016 #132

Me too, MineralMan!! ailsagirl Aug 2016 #11

Here's a thing: HRC is raking in the Repub endorsements without giving an inch on her principles... Hekate Aug 2016 #5

Yes. I see that as moving those moderate Republicans in MineralMan Aug 2016 #7

After the last year and a half... yallerdawg Aug 2016 #9

Discordant notes can be stimulating and enriching if Hortensis Aug 2016 #67

It's inevitable. Would have happened to Sanders, Stein, Kucinich, Nader, Debs too whatthehey Aug 2016 #10

Yes. Perfection is always unattainable. MineralMan Aug 2016 #13

If a leader deserves criticism or faint praise ... ananda Aug 2016 #14

No She does not Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #16

This is an odd dismissal intersectionality Aug 2016 #38

It is not odd at all Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #94

He got loads of criticism on healthcare here mcar Aug 2016 #19

Healthcare? He managed to get something, but MineralMan Aug 2016 #22

And we lost the House as a result of not backing the president...pretty foolish Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #100

Yup... MineralMan Aug 2016 #110

Exactly and some are just panting to attack our nominee...I don't get it. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #124

What is wrong Florencenj2point0 Aug 2016 #66

and a clear absence of praise on her work at the childrens defense fund La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #86

Same people are relentlessly bashing the idea of "safe spaces" in another thread bettyellen Aug 2016 #88

And what outocme does this righteous criticism or faint praise ensure? Perhaps I should say loss... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #101

Do you expect a candidate to agree with you on every issue? CajunBlazer Aug 2016 #104

+1, "...I think we all recognize this technique of minimization..." while Bush can blow up worlds uponit7771 Aug 2016 #15

"Attempts to diminish his accomplishments" mcar Aug 2016 #18

Yes, and SS is still intact. I know, because I get a monthly deposit from it. MineralMan Aug 2016 #23

I hope we learned, too mcar Aug 2016 #26

Well, I'm looking for ways I can object to posts that do that, MineralMan Aug 2016 #27

False is a fucking lie, he made the damn proposal it is a open fact. TheKentuckian Aug 2016 #72

It's important to not let "perfect" be the enemy of "good." Saviolo Aug 2016 #20

Yes. Progress is always a goal. MineralMan Aug 2016 #25

Certainly, Saviolo Aug 2016 #29

Understand that Hillary is not Obama Florencenj2point0 Aug 2016 #70

Which is why I said Saviolo Aug 2016 #85

Really? How can we move forward without people fighting? LS_Editor Aug 2016 #21

I see. You make negative statements about my OP, but MineralMan Aug 2016 #24

You equate criticism with a nefarious tactic meant to undermine Obama and Hillary LS_Editor Aug 2016 #28

No, I do not. Again, your brief reply is devoid of MineralMan Aug 2016 #32

Yes. You certainly are sorry. LS_Editor Aug 2016 #59

there is a rule at dkos Florencenj2point0 Aug 2016 #71

Swell idea. LS_Editor Aug 2016 #82

yep, and his critique of that figure of speech is an indictment of BHO"s use of it, contradicting stupidicus Aug 2016 #36

That is the point Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #96

The thing I like most about you is that you're not the one who makes that decision. LS_Editor Aug 2016 #111

Hey I just want to elect Democrats and advance the progressive agenda Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #123

well, he obviously supports everything she's done or will do stupidicus Aug 2016 #33

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #30

The only thing I'm enamored of is the concept MineralMan Aug 2016 #35

it is largely just you and those like you stupidicus Aug 2016 #44

If by censorship, you mean KMOD Aug 2016 #41

This is a good thing...Greens and others come here and beat up on Democrats otherwise. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #99

Why discuss issues? G_j Aug 2016 #31

Is it? Well, during election campaigns, I freely admit to MineralMan Aug 2016 #34

MM, never complain, saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #37

Actually, in my mind, there is nothing wrong with cheerleading G_j Aug 2016 #52

Agree Highway61 Aug 2016 #103

Yeah, same ol' shit, different day lillypaddle Aug 2016 #43

lol. MM obvious. cali Aug 2016 #39

I love Carly Simon. Don't you? MineralMan Aug 2016 #78

... sheshe2 Aug 2016 #84

Nobody Does It Better? Rex Aug 2016 #126

Hotcakes. MineralMan Aug 2016 #131

Old concerned talking points: Hillary is a horrible candidate, might lose. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #40

Preach Brother! nt lillypaddle Aug 2016 #42

And so it continues, your campaign to stifle all dissent Martin Eden Aug 2016 #45

You'd need to make that suggestion to the owners of the site. MineralMan Aug 2016 #74

I would certainly do that Martin Eden Aug 2016 #79

I doubt that will ever happen. The rules, however, that do exist MineralMan Aug 2016 #80

We both like to exercise freedom of expression Martin Eden Aug 2016 #81

Write the president a letter...why don't you? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #97

Didn't realize that letter writing and discussing issues in a political forum ... Martin Eden Aug 2016 #109

Attacks have nothing to do with discussion...and it only helps the GOP. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #125

Attacks? Martin Eden Aug 2016 #128

Those who don't like the rules would prefer that DU Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #133

If DU was nothing more than an echo chamber Martin Eden Aug 2016 #134

After watching Obama savaged, Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #135

We can discuss issues and justly criticise politicians Martin Eden Aug 2016 #136

I consider the DU policy we have now Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #137

Well then, Martin Eden Aug 2016 #138

Your unbridled enthusiasm has always held me in awe, not A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2016 #46

Obama actually TOLD people to hold his feet to the fire. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #47

He meant that literally. A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2016 #48

It's funny until you find out what burnt feet smell like. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #50

Luckily I'm 95 and lost my scents of smell long ago. A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2016 #51

I dont know if there's a saying "that smells like burnt feet", but there should be. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #54

It does call up a rather not pleasant imagining to the sniffer. A-Schwarzenegger Aug 2016 #56

Yeah but I guess he meant in a reasonable way Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #102

your post doesn't make a whole ton of sense. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #114

What I meant was I don't suppose Obama expected the awful Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #115

And what was the result Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #116

We could have done a lot more with the mandate of the '08 election. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #119

We never had a veto proof majority...and the day Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #121

There's no "crowd". "Hold my feet to the fire" came from Obama himself. It's a direct quote. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #129

my response (can't get the hang of doing a title every time) wncHillsupport Aug 2016 #49

As long as they vote Democratic, I don't follow kvetching/purism bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #53

You nailed it, MineralMan! SunSeeker Aug 2016 #55

We live in a represenative democracy, and that includes activism to hold elected leaders accountable DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #57

Spot on. Every word. nt Lucky Luciano Aug 2016 #62

Very well said Martin Eden Aug 2016 #68

I was one of those civil rights protesters, and MineralMan Aug 2016 #75

I agreed with a lot of the Obama criticism from his early days. Lucky Luciano Aug 2016 #61

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #63

Good grief. KMOD Aug 2016 #69

Thank you! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #64

"Good but not good enough" bonemachine Aug 2016 #65

tight wire walkers make it look like they are struggling to keep their balance to thrill the crowd.. Bill USA Aug 2016 #73

So, no discussion of issues Bettie Aug 2016 #76

I'm never silent. During general election campaigns, I'm all in MineralMan Aug 2016 #77

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2016 #83

You never answered my question...just wondering Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #106

FWIW, HRC is a better choice than Donald Trump. aikoaiko Aug 2016 #87

Yes, and I don't care for accusations that DUers aren't thinking critically, betsuni Aug 2016 #89

Meh, you did ok Michael. KMOD Aug 2016 #95

I dunno... Saviolo Aug 2016 #113

So we cannot have anything but complete acceptance of her plans? AllyCat Aug 2016 #90

She hasn't been elected as President yet. MineralMan Aug 2016 #92

And I saw Obama trashed on this forum and others including the liberal press ...what's left of it. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #107

Guilty. Orsino Aug 2016 #91

I hope so...we need to accomplish something...if we don't get the House Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #108

we should not be spin doctors Enrique Aug 2016 #117

And that's just what this normal citizen is doing. MineralMan Aug 2016 #118

not if you do what your OP suggests Enrique Aug 2016 #120

You saw what happened to Obama...do you think that helped us? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #130