2016 Postmortem

CentralMass

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113. Here are a few links.

Wed Aug 17, 2016, 09:34 PM

Aug 2016

I don't have time for a lengthy response. Here is a article on Ken Salazar.

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/16530

https://theintercept.com/2016/08/16/hillary-clinton-picks-tpp-and-fracking-advocate-to-set-up-her-white-house/

Basically Pro TPP, Fracking, Keystone XL-Pipeline, drilling, etc.

So we now have a pro fracking VP and a transition man who has for all intensive purposes been lobbying for the gas and oil interestate since he left the government

Below are some links on the amount of $$ the Oil & Gas industries spend on lobbying.

http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-industry-influence-in-the-u-s/

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/indusclient.php?id=E01

So my point is that the monied interest will win and this is shaping up like we are being given lip service on issues like TPP and Fracking, etc..

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Ken Salazar to lead her transition team! WTF? [View all] JRLeft Aug 2016 OP

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OUTSTANDING CHOICE!!! BRAVO, HILLARY!!!!!! MohRokTah Aug 2016 #2

His environmental record, the fact he is a lobbyist though unregistered doesn't bother you? JRLeft Aug 2016 #6

Pluses, IMO. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #8

Extreme left? You sound like a tea party member. JRLeft Aug 2016 #12

does far left sound better? snooper2 Aug 2016 #15

It's all relative. Wilms Aug 2016 #22

Often, they call themselves "dittoheads", FoxNewsSucks Aug 2016 #230

I think "left behind" is ultimately the most appropriate term. BobbyDrake Aug 2016 #23

Winner!! misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #30

^^This! n/t Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #88

Ouch ! I felt that all the way from Western Canada Monk06 Aug 2016 #150

This country has moved so far to the right that the actual middle is called far or extreme left. JRLeft Aug 2016 #29

negative snooper2 Aug 2016 #32

Sorry that's incorrect. emulatorloo Aug 2016 #35

Highly inaccurate. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #66

Absolutely correct! choie Aug 2016 #125

This country has moved so far to the right G_j Aug 2016 #167

Right leaning democrats believe they are progressive. JRLeft Aug 2016 #185

Dismayed by above posters. Words have no meaning it seems. George Eliot Aug 2016 #187

No they do not. JRLeft Aug 2016 #268

Flag on the play... MohRokTah Aug 2016 #25

I'm going to steal that pict... fleabiscuit Aug 2016 #129

What??? PatSeg Aug 2016 #24

Yes, seems to be happening, the 'war' to which you refer. elleng Aug 2016 #77

Yeah, not like anything I've seen here before PatSeg Aug 2016 #96

Hi, PatSeg. elleng Aug 2016 #97

I sent you a PM PatSeg Aug 2016 #99

Agreed womanofthehills Aug 2016 #184

Yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #186

I think we have to let Hillary know this is unacceptable before the election adigal Aug 2016 #153

Yes, silence is consent PatSeg Aug 2016 #163

Seems odd to predicate liking someone simply on who else may or may not dislike them as well LanternWaste Aug 2016 #34

Welcome to DU. eom MohRokTah Aug 2016 #40

did you just welcome someone to DU bonemachine Aug 2016 #224

Extreme left? Do you even know what the term means? Exilednight Aug 2016 #45

I've known the "purer than thou" Extreme Left for decades. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #61

it's pretty obvious you use phrases in which you don't know the definition. Exilednight Aug 2016 #63

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The far left (Greens ET AL).. those who will never back the Democrat before or after an election.. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #171

Nice rant. Where's your proof? George Eliot Aug 2016 #198

Struck a nerve? choie Aug 2016 #128

I have been watching for some time for what that trip-wire of left/right is. fleabiscuit Aug 2016 #133

It's pretty clear that is a choie Aug 2016 #126

So you have a big framed picture of Joe Lieberman in your living room, then? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #169

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Yes, we do. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #237

Flag on the play... MohRokTah Aug 2016 #238

Irony. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #239

He's wrong all of the time, therefore he will never answer your questions. JRLeft Aug 2016 #246

This has to do with being against everyday Americans rockfordfile Aug 2016 #209

This has to do with the Extreme Left labeling anybody who isn't "PURE" as a Corporatist. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #210

Hear hear! El Supremo Aug 2016 #151

No I don't think so rockfordfile Aug 2016 #207

he's not the nominee, he's heading up an administrative function nt geek tragedy Aug 2016 #3

He is not that bad anyway...but you are correct. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #5

Not just "an" administrative function -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2016 #156

Can you remember who Obama's was, off the top of your head? geek tragedy Aug 2016 #157

Sqeezy lobbyist John Podesta (IIRC) was head -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2016 #161

yes, the most liberal and most successful presidential administration geek tragedy Aug 2016 #162

That's ridiculous. George Eliot Aug 2016 #188

Ok. Tell us who was more liberal/successful. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #189

Depending on issues, many. Pre Reagan/Clinton the country was more liberal. George Eliot Aug 2016 #199

LMAO. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #200

You are opening yourself up to attacks to point out negatives because George Eliot Aug 2016 #204

are you counting "Operation Wetback" amongst Ike's liberal achievements? geek tragedy Aug 2016 #205

If I were, it would be there, wouldn't it? George Eliot Aug 2016 #212

I asked you who was more liberal/successful than Obama. geek tragedy Aug 2016 #214

Do I remember Podesta, Rahm Emanuel and Valerie Jarrett? JackRiddler Aug 2016 #244

Do you really believe what you're writing? JackRiddler Aug 2016 #243

Good choice Hillary Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #4

I'm reporting you for making reasonable points.... OnDoutside Aug 2016 #13

I know right? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #46

support for our land and water through fracking and huge pipelines - not wanted by anyone I know womanofthehills Aug 2016 #255

At the time the president supported the pipeline Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #266

Excellent! NurseJackie Aug 2016 #7

So the complaint about an administrative role is...policy? whatthehey Aug 2016 #9

Anyone that doesn't agree with 2016's progressive agenda.. SaschaHM Aug 2016 #10

Who's on a candidates transition team, tends to tell you how one will govern. JRLeft Aug 2016 #11

Not really whatthehey Aug 2016 #14

How about an example. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #47

Never heard of him treestar Aug 2016 #16

He was the replacement 2naSalit Aug 2016 #108

What did he do to deserve the conclusion that he is lacking in treestar Aug 2016 #109

Just a few articles to remind us 2naSalit Aug 2016 #118

That source does not even attempt objectivity treestar Aug 2016 #140

well 2naSalit Aug 2016 #148

Salazar quote: "We know that, from everything we�ve seen, there�s not a single case where hydraulic womanofthehills Aug 2016 #182

Crickets chirping... George Eliot Aug 2016 #203

he's really not horrible, that's just insane hyperbole. La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2016 #17

Good pick. nt LexVegas Aug 2016 #18

Agreed - very bad pick if you care at all about the environment. womanofthehills Aug 2016 #183

Oh god, it's already beginning. auntpurl Aug 2016 #19

It's stuff like this that make it so easy to be dismissive of the far left. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #20

I some times despise the Far Left even more than the Far Right MohRokTah Aug 2016 #26

If they were, they'd pick better candidates. I mean, seriously now ... Stein? NurseJackie Aug 2016 #41

No surprise there, birds of a feather flock together. TheKentuckian Aug 2016 #94

The "Nothing But The Best For The Oppressed" syndrome. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2016 #127

Yeah, you're right. It's not a clean environment is essential to human life. Exilednight Aug 2016 #48

Lefty here shocked to hear real Democrats being disparaged. tecelote Aug 2016 #58

No, it's actually the regressive, privliged, amoral, puritopian rainbows and pixie dust Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #166

I guess someone will have to figure out if strategic wins but occasionally compromising are worse NurseJackie Aug 2016 #59

Nothing tough about it. The laws of nature do not compromise. Exilednight Aug 2016 #73

Just ask President Kucinich. NurseJackie Aug 2016 #74

I can't believe how the people in the posts above you talk about liberals adigal Aug 2016 #154

And that is part of the debate. Who will he recommend for Exilednight Aug 2016 #160

They're emotional voters. They love, love, love and so are blind to the meaning George Eliot Aug 2016 #206

Sometimes I sit back and reflect auntpurl Aug 2016 #68

One of the major reasons many of us on what you term the "far left", have been critical of the ACA cali Aug 2016 #83

When I used the term moron, I was referring to Trump's RW supporters auntpurl Aug 2016 #86

A public option is a huge step for single payer. And in country after country cali Aug 2016 #98

I agree. Old and In the Way Aug 2016 #106

The tags "far left" and PatSeg Aug 2016 #102

That's right choie Aug 2016 #130

F**king up the environment is not a "little thing." womanofthehills Aug 2016 #193

That's true, but intentionally sabotaging or not supporting the best candidate ... NurseJackie Aug 2016 #195

When it comes to the environment, we don't have time for incremental change. JRLeft Aug 2016 #247

So why pursue a route of guaranteed failure and stagnation? NurseJackie Aug 2016 #248

We're already failing because are not doing what scientists have told us to do. JRLeft Aug 2016 #249

And putting forward "pure" candidates (who have zero chance of winning) helps, HOW? NurseJackie Aug 2016 #250

I don't think people are saying they are not supporting Hillary womanofthehills Aug 2016 #254

And as I have pointed out Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #49

Read Bill Press "Buyers Remorse" - that's how Obama lost the far left George Eliot Aug 2016 #208

Why would I read Bill Press who like many who are ...I won't say on the left Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #242

YUP ... Combustible Hair Club is holding preliminary meetings ... JoePhilly Aug 2016 #65

lol auntpurl Aug 2016 #67

"Combustible Hair Club"!!! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #89

Their orchestra is tuning up. Everyone she chooses will be deemed awful. Squinch Aug 2016 #122

A lot of those who went after Obama Andy823 Aug 2016 #78

Apparently the "new rules" are staying in effect even after the election auntpurl Aug 2016 #79

I hope you are right Andy823 Aug 2016 #82

But saying you hate the Far Left as much as the Far Right is fine, right? adigal Aug 2016 #158

The only way you can post here and disrupt is pretending you are to the left of everyone else here. Old and In the Way Aug 2016 #134

Exactly. treestar Aug 2016 #176

What a horrid article wrought with hyperbole. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #21

EXACTLY. Here's the Actual Transition Team Headline: misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #56

He's as shitty a pick now, as he was when Obama foisted him upon us in Interior. villager Aug 2016 #27

Yeah and after he was shown the error of his ways by electing Republicans...things were so much Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #50

Um, he was part of the "error of ways" that led to the election of Republicans in the midterms villager Aug 2016 #52

No, he wasn't...no person can please everyone...the fact many Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #60

He was an awful choice for Interior, a squandering of "hope and change." Timorous Democrats lose villager Aug 2016 #75

Right and we showed him too Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #116

They showed us! We'll piss on that mandate and... wait? What? No one's still voting!? nt villager Aug 2016 #121

We never had a working majority in the Senate thus and we faced Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #139

So our retroactive excuse is that the majorities we had the first two years... villager Aug 2016 #141

Our "majority" included such liberal powerhouses as Joe Lieberman (sic). PBass Aug 2016 #145

"I wonder how closely you were paying attention during this period" villager Aug 2016 #146

These people need to blame ... rather than hold their candidate responsible. George Eliot Aug 2016 #211

We never had a working majority ...not with Kennedy ill and then Scott Brown, Lieberman Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #172

Thank goodness the best strategy was a preemptive caving in on everything... villager Aug 2016 #175

+1 George Eliot Aug 2016 #213

90% of something like for instance Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #245

Somehow the climate is not changing "incrementally." Nor has it been "incremental" for those priced villager Aug 2016 #252

Once you lost the house put a fork in it ...done. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #253

We agree that the anti-democratic practice of gerrymandering needs to end. villager Aug 2016 #263

Absolutely the gerrymander needs to end Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #265

Yes, re: Gerrymander. But we disagree on that first two years. I think they were woefully villager Aug 2016 #267

This message was self-deleted by its author Dem2 Aug 2016 #149

I'm noticing a very unsettling tendency PatSeg Aug 2016 #28

There are about three LOUD members here who label some folk 'far left' emulatorloo Aug 2016 #33

Yes PatSeg Aug 2016 #91

Thanks for the wisdom. I'm getting reactive myself in response. George Eliot Aug 2016 #215

You're welcome PatSeg Aug 2016 #222

It is unsettling. KeepItReal Aug 2016 #36

I hope so PatSeg Aug 2016 #92

Yep. a la izquierda Aug 2016 #37

Just a handful of people say that shit. Alert on their posts and put them on ignore emulatorloo Aug 2016 #38

Damn proud to be part of the Looney Left! Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2016 #42

Gee PatSeg Aug 2016 #100

Maybe you could tell us what this op has to do with the environment. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #43

Why anyone left of center should be cozying up to fracking supporters is beyond me. NT a la izquierda Aug 2016 #137

As someone else said, PatSeg Aug 2016 #93

And you and your buddies get to judge who is progressive and who isn't I suppose. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #112

I'm sorry PatSeg Aug 2016 #135

I don't agree with Obama on everthing either. I don't like the TPP for one example. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #138

We can support candidates PatSeg Aug 2016 #143

We were not realistic in our expectations of Obama Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #144

Okay, I definitely agree with you PatSeg Aug 2016 #147

It is just a term...I see no stigma in it...nothing wrong with being left...I am a Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #173

Well PatSeg Aug 2016 #174

You show wisdom again by staying neutral and avoiding name calling and blaming. Thank you. George Eliot Aug 2016 #217

Thank you! PatSeg Aug 2016 #223

Welcome to the new and improved Democratic Party! Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2016 #39

Seems to be a FEW Democrats PatSeg Aug 2016 #95

Well that HAS been the goal since around 1990 -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2016 #159

That was an interesting flashback PatSeg Aug 2016 #165

Exactly my thoughts. Trump is hastening that merging of right and DLC centrist dems. George Eliot Aug 2016 #218

It will be interesting to see what happens to the PatSeg Aug 2016 #225

Millennials make a difference. Check out this link. George Eliot Aug 2016 #231

Very interesting PatSeg Aug 2016 #251

We (heart) the Keystone pipeline - I want one of those running through my yard womanofthehills Aug 2016 #194

And we hate renewal energy, PatSeg Aug 2016 #226

Actually, I almost had a KinderMorgan pipeline running through my property womanofthehills Aug 2016 #256

Oh wow PatSeg Aug 2016 #260

Really? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #53

I guess Spliff the Bike Courier's voicemail box was full Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2016 #31

Is Fracking Bad? zenabby Aug 2016 #44

I think you mean "Fracking ain't so bad." KeepItReal Aug 2016 #55

Besides poisoning the water & our food supply Motley13 Aug 2016 #57

I don't know Salazar, BUT DFW Aug 2016 #51

HERE FOR THE FULL STORY: Outstanding Transition Team misterhighwasted Aug 2016 #54

There is some big $$ in play . CentralMass Aug 2016 #62

Can you elaborate? NurseJackie Aug 2016 #64

Here are a few links. CentralMass Aug 2016 #113

ImWithHer. This includes her judgement on whoever she choses to help oasis Aug 2016 #69

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #110

I'm still confused by her vision. Clarify for me please. George Eliot Aug 2016 #191

During the next 8 years you should be able to figure it out. oasis Aug 2016 #240

Haha. Looks like we'll both be figuring it out. :) George Eliot Aug 2016 #241

Clinton should speak to Obama about Salazar and why he 'resigned'. Years ago that 'Bundy' crap was Sunlei Aug 2016 #70

I'm bored with the outrage BainsBane Aug 2016 #72

i agree with you bravenak Aug 2016 #84

It's exhausting isn't it? I mean there are other places on the web to trash Democrats, this..... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2016 #90

It is exhausting, isn't it? mcar Aug 2016 #101

I would not call what's going on with our environment "a nit" womanofthehills Aug 2016 #257

OK then mcar Aug 2016 #258

Nice to see a few progressive voices here who give a damn about policy 2banon Aug 2016 #80

It's an appointment that I don't like. Period. If that makes me a traitor or loony left or cali Aug 2016 #85

^^^^This^^^^ dflprincess Aug 2016 #132

I think it makes you a progressive Democrat PatSeg Aug 2016 #136

As far as I am concerned -- Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2016 #155

The political wordsmiths PatSeg Aug 2016 #164

And there is no appointment you are likely to like treestar Aug 2016 #177

And you are so wrong. yet again. I already posted an op about how much I like cali Aug 2016 #178

Goodness you are easy to offend treestar Aug 2016 #180

And you, with the greatest of easen repeatedly toss out false smears. I find that.. cali Aug 2016 #181

You'd lose your shirt on that bet, tree. Here. What have you to say NOW? cali Aug 2016 #179

I agree but dig a little deeper . . . George Eliot Aug 2016 #219

One's views on issues has little to do with running a transistion team. Kaleva Aug 2016 #87

He most likely was choosen because he was part of the Obama Administration as still_one Aug 2016 #103

Ugh. truebluegreen Aug 2016 #105

Just her true colors shining through. alarimer Aug 2016 #111

Local boy. He's been 'round the block a few times postatomic Aug 2016 #114

Salazar and Tanden are dyed-in-the-wool DLC Democrats. DemocraticWing Aug 2016 #115

Worrisome colsohlibgal Aug 2016 #119

Well put. Has she been honest with us? George Eliot Aug 2016 #192

? fun n serious Aug 2016 #202

She is NOT going to veer center. fun n serious Aug 2016 #201

I'm holding you to that promise. George Eliot Aug 2016 #220

Sounds good to me. fun n serious Aug 2016 #221

And here come the excuses.. choie Aug 2016 #124

And Rahm Emmanuel led Obama's transition team Spider Jerusalem Aug 2016 #131

Actually, your point confirms every apprehension about Salazar. nt villager Aug 2016 #142

+1 George Eliot Aug 2016 #190

And what cabinet post will he be named to? El Supremo Aug 2016 #152

Can we please be outraged about this after the election? [win the election first,ok] bluestateguy Aug 2016 #168

Meet the new boss! ABLEZEROSIX Aug 2016 #216

JR, truth indeed is saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #227

I support this choice. Salazar charted a measured course as cabinet official bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #228

People questioned her choice of a running mate, then this choice. How'd she do with her campaign? tonyt53 Aug 2016 #229

I think it is appropriate PatSeg Aug 2016 #262

superb choice Grey Lemercier Aug 2016 #232

Can you elaborate about what is superb? womanofthehills Aug 2016 #259

????? PatSeg Aug 2016 #261

Oddly, Michelle Malkin agrees with you on Salazar being a bad pick KMOD Aug 2016 #264