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titaniumsalute

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29. I'm not saying you are not educated...
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 06:17 AM
Sep 2016

But I am saying you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to survey research. Yeah, it is numbers. But as you know the science behind survey research is very unique. And it works.

Of course if you poll a "million white men" it wouldn't be a representative sample. That's why they don't poll a million white men.

It has been proven mathematically that you don't need a huge sample to represent a general opinion. Yes an N=1000 IS good enough, with demographic weighting, to be a representative sample base. Take a look at this from 2012. It is the last 10 or so polls for the 2012 general election. They were all, in aggregate, at about the +- 3%. (3.2% to be exact.) I would say that is pretty close in the grand scheme of things. You could poll 3,000 people but the MOE doesn't change much and the costs start soaring. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Some research companies do employ panel methods that represent the universe demographically up front to reduce weighting to almost zero. But they are typically very expensive as the panelists must be compensated for their continued time and effort.

The poll I mentioned about did take into consideration the demographics and a representative sample by weighting for age, gender, education, and employment. Our company would have also weighted to race and HH income.

So overall most polls are NOT bad. Some are more reliable than others. I do agree that all polls are reported for media's new headline which is bad when it is shoddy internet online unscientific polls.

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That's a good one to see sharp_stick Sep 2016 #1
Thanks! mcar Sep 2016 #2
By Halloween I expect +10 with the way this is going. The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #3
I predicted a 7-10 bump for clinton. Joe941 Sep 2016 #22
I'll take it but... Joe941 Sep 2016 #4
752 dem vs 570 reps - the numbers are way off factfinder_77 Sep 2016 #6
Not really... more people in the general public identify as D than as R scheming daemons Sep 2016 #11
Knowing if they're "way off" is not that simple and looking at affiliation is not the way to do it. Foggyhill Sep 2016 #13
Welcome to DU alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #7
A common mistake that RWers make.... scheming daemons Sep 2016 #8
I wondered if that wasn't the case. Joe941 Sep 2016 #9
ask Dean Chambers nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #10
Right wing talking point spotted Democat Sep 2016 #18
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #5
She triron Sep 2016 #12
This is a larger sample poll. Not all polls are alike (even though they are reported as such). Foggyhill Sep 2016 #14
Yeah so? titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #15
A larger sample has smaller margin of error and it is easier to make it a representative one Foggyhill Sep 2016 #21
I worked in statistical methodology research for 10 years titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #24
Good grief! Foggyhill Sep 2016 #28
I'm not saying you are not educated... titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #29
Nope.... according to RCP, this poll was 39-39 a week ago scheming daemons Sep 2016 #17
Note for the OP: This poll was 39-39 a week ago scheming daemons Sep 2016 #16
Thanks! I should have included that data originally titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #19
So clinton moved some undecided over: +6 bump for clinton Joe941 Sep 2016 #20
Looking triron Sep 2016 #23
So? What's your point? Again, what its YOUR POINT? titaniumsalute Sep 2016 #25
Awesome. Love it! Jim Dandy Sep 2016 #26
Reuters, even? Cracklin Charlie Sep 2016 #27
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