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This is why Bill Clinton should STFU. [View all] still_one Oct 2016 OP

So CNN stirs the shit, and you show up asking for a hot bowl? BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #1

Actually the story was started by Politico, and others are picking up on it. I stand by what I said still_one Oct 2016 #2

Right, and your plan to create a "united party" is to crap on a popular ex-president? BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #5

I had a similar thought about Bill as he made the President and others wait while he was socializing monmouth4 Oct 2016 #6

For better or worse phrasing, he brought attention to single payer. MaeScott Oct 2016 #60

I agree. He can go home now and wait for the election to be over. n/t pnwmom Oct 2016 #3

We need a united party, and injecting things like this into the fray does not do us any good. While still_one Oct 2016 #8

Agree as well.......go home and STHU. a kennedy Oct 2016 #17

He knows what he is doing. Giving Hillary some daylight to win this thing! Mamajami Oct 2016 #4

Exactly. Bill is a master of the 'sister souljah' moment. /nt radius777 Oct 2016 #23

I remember a time when there were arguments against breaking up ACA Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #41

I agree with everything he said justiceischeap Oct 2016 #7

It is how he said it, not that it doesn't need to be fixed. still_one Oct 2016 #10

I still don't have a problem with how he said it justiceischeap Oct 2016 #14

I am on an employer provided plan Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #18

Ditto! Me, too. hamsterjill Oct 2016 #25

Perhaps your assessment is right, or the media was misrepresenting this as though Bill Clinton was still_one Oct 2016 #19

Me too. OKNancy Oct 2016 #11

I could get a cheaper plan but the 10k deductible makes no sense for me justiceischeap Oct 2016 #13

Ours is a $4500 deductible, plus another 2000.00 - so total out of pocket per year is 6500.00 OKNancy Oct 2016 #15

The health profiteers make me sick and Bill rich. GeorgeGist Oct 2016 #9

Bill is not becoming rich because of this, but the health insurers sure are, and that is why the still_one Oct 2016 #12

He's not wrong, but the irony is thick.... vi5 Oct 2016 #16

It does sound like Bill is criticizing a popular president. Why not wait on this until Nov. 9. anamandujano Oct 2016 #20

That is my gripe. The ACA's deficiencies should be addressed, but not by presenting the still_one Oct 2016 #22

I think this is strategy, Bill isn't stupid. radius777 Oct 2016 #21

This is what I think too. DawgHouse Oct 2016 #108

He should shut the fuck up when telling the truth? NCTraveler Oct 2016 #24

Did he explain that Obama had to compromise with the pukes and did the best he could? anamandujano Oct 2016 #28

Yes, every time a camera is on him he has hours to explain a position. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #29

Forget the "high horse" business. He could be more diplomatic instead of divisive. anamandujano Oct 2016 #31

That was my characterization of Bill Clinton, for exactly the reason you gave, he could have used still_one Oct 2016 #37

I'm in agreement with him as well. PragmaticLiberal Oct 2016 #43

What compromise from President Obama? And in return the GOP gave him ZERO votes in favor of ACA. KeepItReal Oct 2016 #30

I'm no diplomat but how about, "This is how we're going to fix the health care problem." anamandujano Oct 2016 #35

ACA is President Obama's. It has major issues. I'm cool with Clinton stating the obvious. KeepItReal Oct 2016 #42

Things seem to be going well. Why throw a buzz saw into the works at this time? anamandujano Oct 2016 #45

It was the blue dogs, or nothing would have resulted still_one Oct 2016 #103

Obama didn't compromise Ms. Yertle Oct 2016 #89

No he did not compromise with the pukes. former9thward Oct 2016 #91

Nope GhostofFDR Oct 2016 #111

The poster I ws replying to said he had to compromise with Rs. former9thward Oct 2016 #116

No, but he shouldn't phrase it in terms of slighting President Obama. As far as your still_one Oct 2016 #32

With the direction you are going at here..... NCTraveler Oct 2016 #71

I do recognize the middle class is important. I am part of that middle class still_one Oct 2016 #76

Holy shit Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #44

The primary is over. Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #55

No clue what you are talking about. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #72

So when Chelsea said Sanders wanted to dismantle Obamacare Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #81

But but but. That was different. That was the primary. AtheistCrusader Oct 2016 #104

Snort! Arazi Oct 2016 #105

Kinda Ironic zipplewrath Oct 2016 #46

He said a LOT more than those few sentences over a 30-second period. What did he say just before... George II Oct 2016 #26

As usual George you are right, and as usual if given the opportunity, the media will go out of its still_one Oct 2016 #34

Bill is just pulling Hillary away from Obama and the ACA and I actually agree with him NWCorona Oct 2016 #27

Yes she did, but she didn't do it by putting President Obama in a negative light still_one Oct 2016 #33

Bil is speaking for me. I loathe the ACA. We need Single Payer. Auggie Oct 2016 #54

yes, but that isn't what he is saying. still_one Oct 2016 #86

He's saying the ACA is fucked-up. And it is. Auggie Oct 2016 #87

The public option, single payer or Medicare for all didn't have the votes in 2000 still_one Oct 2016 #88

You are changing the discussion Auggie Oct 2016 #92

You changed the discussion. You implied BIll Clinton was suggesting single payer, and that is still_one Oct 2016 #93

I said we need Single Payer Auggie Oct 2016 #94

I agree still_one Oct 2016 #95

The AC is a great first step to get healthcare for everyone. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #36

I agree, and as has been pointed out in this thread, there are a good number who have been left out still_one Oct 2016 #38

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Maybe he is angling ultimately for single payer? apcalc Oct 2016 #40

And it's a great idea AFTER. NOV. 8. anamandujano Oct 2016 #47

Hear ya there. apcalc Oct 2016 #56

First of all...Congress is to blame for much of this... Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #48

+1 Demsrule saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #52

So kind thanks! nt Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #96

I disagree saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #106

My daughter is on Obamacare because her Dad retired (forced) early and she can't be on his Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #118

I remember when some here spoke ill of the ACA... SixString Oct 2016 #49

Go and watch the video, he's not bashing Obama, that's CNN's spin. radius777 Oct 2016 #50

So was DADT. Orsino Oct 2016 #51

Incrementalism. The 80s/90s were the most politically conservative radius777 Oct 2016 #58

Yep. Just as Obama judged that single-payer was a losing proposition. Orsino Oct 2016 #59

Agree. Obama is a pragmatist just as Bill was, radius777 Oct 2016 #61

This ^ Kathy M Oct 2016 #113

This gay, happily married poster agrees with you. yardwork Oct 2016 #65

Clinton's statement will play with the millennials. They are a target group right now. jalan48 Oct 2016 #53

It's a useful comment as ACA has shortcomings and beachbum bob Oct 2016 #57

Days before 2nd debate, Bill gives Trump major talking point. tman Oct 2016 #62

NO!! He's giving Hillary a winning opening. I hope Trump takes the bait. It's wiggling on the hook Mamajami Oct 2016 #64

Good luck getting ahead of the headlines/talking points already in motion. tman Oct 2016 #67

No , not a stupid choice of words Kathy M Oct 2016 #112

Bill Clinton is a shrewd campaigner. yardwork Oct 2016 #63

You might be right, and the media might also be putting more emphasis on the still_one Oct 2016 #69

The republicans have destroyed ACA... Joe941 Oct 2016 #66

I think it is good that he is recommending what needs to be fixed in the ACA, I just think still_one Oct 2016 #68

The problem is... Joe941 Oct 2016 #70

Nobody who supports Obama will turn toward Trump over this. yardwork Oct 2016 #75

It is not a spat...Obama would be the first one to tell you...we need to work on it...Congress is to Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #97

It's not possible to give them more ammo on ACA. yardwork Oct 2016 #74

Just jealous because he could not do shit about healthcare helpisontheway Oct 2016 #73

lol oh Bill... nt retrowire Oct 2016 #77

Uh, let's see, my plan is better, deductible is $1,000 less, louis-t Oct 2016 #78

What Possibly Could Bill Clinton Have Been Thinking DallasNE Oct 2016 #79

As has been pointed out to those in this thead that the ACA has left behind still_one Oct 2016 #84

Well.... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #80

ACA sucks, but it is better than what we had before. The Clinton plan from the 90s was better. apnu Oct 2016 #82

Perfectly said. reflection Oct 2016 #100

fix it. social security is not what it was day 1. pansypoo53219 Oct 2016 #83

Yes. still_one Oct 2016 #85

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Scarborough is doing the backstroke like a pig in shit. FFS Bill, if you can't have coherent on OnDoutside Oct 2016 #98

Bill screwed up badly Stuckinthebush Oct 2016 #99

I think we now know how ordinary Republicans feel when Trump goes off the wall. It's not nice. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #101

first thing Bill Clinton has said in a long time ibegurpard Oct 2016 #102

This speaks to my hate to love Bill Clinton syndrome. MyNameGoesHere Oct 2016 #107

well put still_one Oct 2016 #110

Seems to me... GhostofFDR Oct 2016 #109

Not at all Kathy M Oct 2016 #114

A thread from yesterday or day before on the same subject Kathy M Oct 2016 #115

With friends like this... Joe941 Oct 2016 #117