2016 Postmortem

apnu

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82. ACA sucks, but it is better than what we had before. The Clinton plan from the 90s was better.

Tue Oct 4, 2016, 02:38 PM

Oct 2016

The ACA is the Republican plan from the 90s that went up against the Clinton initiative. I know I was there for it and I canvassed for the Clinton plan.

ACA is, at best, "OK" but it is a hot mess. It will remain a hot mess while we still have a for-profit health insurance system. That model has no interest in healing people because sick people are profitable and will pay anything to live. Its extortion, plain and simple.

The ACA needs much improvement, and the first thing we need is to burn down the for-profit insurance industry and replace it with a non-profit model focused on wellness and health.

That would come as an incredible shock to America and most Americans are stuck in their ways and would be resistant to that kind of upheaval change, but its what we need if America is serious about the health of its citizens.

The ACA is what the Dems could pass at the time when they had that tiny window do do so. Its clearly rushed, but yes it got done and it does help people far more than what we had before.

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This is why Bill Clinton should STFU. [View all] still_one Oct 2016 OP

So CNN stirs the shit, and you show up asking for a hot bowl? BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #1

Actually the story was started by Politico, and others are picking up on it. I stand by what I said still_one Oct 2016 #2

Right, and your plan to create a "united party" is to crap on a popular ex-president? BobbyDrake Oct 2016 #5

I had a similar thought about Bill as he made the President and others wait while he was socializing monmouth4 Oct 2016 #6

For better or worse phrasing, he brought attention to single payer. MaeScott Oct 2016 #60

I agree. He can go home now and wait for the election to be over. n/t pnwmom Oct 2016 #3

We need a united party, and injecting things like this into the fray does not do us any good. While still_one Oct 2016 #8

Agree as well.......go home and STHU. a kennedy Oct 2016 #17

He knows what he is doing. Giving Hillary some daylight to win this thing! Mamajami Oct 2016 #4

Exactly. Bill is a master of the 'sister souljah' moment. /nt radius777 Oct 2016 #23

I remember a time when there were arguments against breaking up ACA Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #41

I agree with everything he said justiceischeap Oct 2016 #7

It is how he said it, not that it doesn't need to be fixed. still_one Oct 2016 #10

I still don't have a problem with how he said it justiceischeap Oct 2016 #14

I am on an employer provided plan Drahthaardogs Oct 2016 #18

Ditto! Me, too. hamsterjill Oct 2016 #25

Perhaps your assessment is right, or the media was misrepresenting this as though Bill Clinton was still_one Oct 2016 #19

Me too. OKNancy Oct 2016 #11

I could get a cheaper plan but the 10k deductible makes no sense for me justiceischeap Oct 2016 #13

Ours is a $4500 deductible, plus another 2000.00 - so total out of pocket per year is 6500.00 OKNancy Oct 2016 #15

The health profiteers make me sick and Bill rich. GeorgeGist Oct 2016 #9

Bill is not becoming rich because of this, but the health insurers sure are, and that is why the still_one Oct 2016 #12

He's not wrong, but the irony is thick.... vi5 Oct 2016 #16

It does sound like Bill is criticizing a popular president. Why not wait on this until Nov. 9. anamandujano Oct 2016 #20

That is my gripe. The ACA's deficiencies should be addressed, but not by presenting the still_one Oct 2016 #22

I think this is strategy, Bill isn't stupid. radius777 Oct 2016 #21

This is what I think too. DawgHouse Oct 2016 #108

He should shut the fuck up when telling the truth? NCTraveler Oct 2016 #24

Did he explain that Obama had to compromise with the pukes and did the best he could? anamandujano Oct 2016 #28

Yes, every time a camera is on him he has hours to explain a position. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #29

Forget the "high horse" business. He could be more diplomatic instead of divisive. anamandujano Oct 2016 #31

That was my characterization of Bill Clinton, for exactly the reason you gave, he could have used still_one Oct 2016 #37

I'm in agreement with him as well. PragmaticLiberal Oct 2016 #43

What compromise from President Obama? And in return the GOP gave him ZERO votes in favor of ACA. KeepItReal Oct 2016 #30

I'm no diplomat but how about, "This is how we're going to fix the health care problem." anamandujano Oct 2016 #35

ACA is President Obama's. It has major issues. I'm cool with Clinton stating the obvious. KeepItReal Oct 2016 #42

Things seem to be going well. Why throw a buzz saw into the works at this time? anamandujano Oct 2016 #45

It was the blue dogs, or nothing would have resulted still_one Oct 2016 #103

Obama didn't compromise Ms. Yertle Oct 2016 #89

No he did not compromise with the pukes. former9thward Oct 2016 #91

Nope GhostofFDR Oct 2016 #111

The poster I ws replying to said he had to compromise with Rs. former9thward Oct 2016 #116

No, but he shouldn't phrase it in terms of slighting President Obama. As far as your still_one Oct 2016 #32

With the direction you are going at here..... NCTraveler Oct 2016 #71

I do recognize the middle class is important. I am part of that middle class still_one Oct 2016 #76

Holy shit Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #44

The primary is over. Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #55

No clue what you are talking about. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #72

So when Chelsea said Sanders wanted to dismantle Obamacare Goblinmonger Oct 2016 #81

But but but. That was different. That was the primary. AtheistCrusader Oct 2016 #104

Snort! Arazi Oct 2016 #105

Kinda Ironic zipplewrath Oct 2016 #46

He said a LOT more than those few sentences over a 30-second period. What did he say just before... George II Oct 2016 #26

As usual George you are right, and as usual if given the opportunity, the media will go out of its still_one Oct 2016 #34

Bill is just pulling Hillary away from Obama and the ACA and I actually agree with him NWCorona Oct 2016 #27

Yes she did, but she didn't do it by putting President Obama in a negative light still_one Oct 2016 #33

Bil is speaking for me. I loathe the ACA. We need Single Payer. Auggie Oct 2016 #54

yes, but that isn't what he is saying. still_one Oct 2016 #86

He's saying the ACA is fucked-up. And it is. Auggie Oct 2016 #87

The public option, single payer or Medicare for all didn't have the votes in 2000 still_one Oct 2016 #88

You are changing the discussion Auggie Oct 2016 #92

You changed the discussion. You implied BIll Clinton was suggesting single payer, and that is still_one Oct 2016 #93

I said we need Single Payer Auggie Oct 2016 #94

I agree still_one Oct 2016 #95

The AC is a great first step to get healthcare for everyone. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #36

I agree, and as has been pointed out in this thread, there are a good number who have been left out still_one Oct 2016 #38

Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #39

Maybe he is angling ultimately for single payer? apcalc Oct 2016 #40

And it's a great idea AFTER. NOV. 8. anamandujano Oct 2016 #47

Hear ya there. apcalc Oct 2016 #56

First of all...Congress is to blame for much of this... Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #48

+1 Demsrule saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #52

So kind thanks! nt Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #96

I disagree saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #106

My daughter is on Obamacare because her Dad retired (forced) early and she can't be on his Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #118

I remember when some here spoke ill of the ACA... SixString Oct 2016 #49

Go and watch the video, he's not bashing Obama, that's CNN's spin. radius777 Oct 2016 #50

So was DADT. Orsino Oct 2016 #51

Incrementalism. The 80s/90s were the most politically conservative radius777 Oct 2016 #58

Yep. Just as Obama judged that single-payer was a losing proposition. Orsino Oct 2016 #59

Agree. Obama is a pragmatist just as Bill was, radius777 Oct 2016 #61

This ^ Kathy M Oct 2016 #113

This gay, happily married poster agrees with you. yardwork Oct 2016 #65

Clinton's statement will play with the millennials. They are a target group right now. jalan48 Oct 2016 #53

It's a useful comment as ACA has shortcomings and beachbum bob Oct 2016 #57

Days before 2nd debate, Bill gives Trump major talking point. tman Oct 2016 #62

NO!! He's giving Hillary a winning opening. I hope Trump takes the bait. It's wiggling on the hook Mamajami Oct 2016 #64

Good luck getting ahead of the headlines/talking points already in motion. tman Oct 2016 #67

No , not a stupid choice of words Kathy M Oct 2016 #112

Bill Clinton is a shrewd campaigner. yardwork Oct 2016 #63

You might be right, and the media might also be putting more emphasis on the still_one Oct 2016 #69

The republicans have destroyed ACA... Joe941 Oct 2016 #66

I think it is good that he is recommending what needs to be fixed in the ACA, I just think still_one Oct 2016 #68

The problem is... Joe941 Oct 2016 #70

Nobody who supports Obama will turn toward Trump over this. yardwork Oct 2016 #75

It is not a spat...Obama would be the first one to tell you...we need to work on it...Congress is to Demsrule86 Oct 2016 #97

It's not possible to give them more ammo on ACA. yardwork Oct 2016 #74

Just jealous because he could not do shit about healthcare helpisontheway Oct 2016 #73

lol oh Bill... nt retrowire Oct 2016 #77

Uh, let's see, my plan is better, deductible is $1,000 less, louis-t Oct 2016 #78

What Possibly Could Bill Clinton Have Been Thinking DallasNE Oct 2016 #79

As has been pointed out to those in this thead that the ACA has left behind still_one Oct 2016 #84

Well.... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #80

ACA sucks, but it is better than what we had before. The Clinton plan from the 90s was better. apnu Oct 2016 #82

Perfectly said. reflection Oct 2016 #100

fix it. social security is not what it was day 1. pansypoo53219 Oct 2016 #83

Yes. still_one Oct 2016 #85

Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #90

Scarborough is doing the backstroke like a pig in shit. FFS Bill, if you can't have coherent on OnDoutside Oct 2016 #98

Bill screwed up badly Stuckinthebush Oct 2016 #99

I think we now know how ordinary Republicans feel when Trump goes off the wall. It's not nice. OnDoutside Oct 2016 #101

first thing Bill Clinton has said in a long time ibegurpard Oct 2016 #102

This speaks to my hate to love Bill Clinton syndrome. MyNameGoesHere Oct 2016 #107

well put still_one Oct 2016 #110

Seems to me... GhostofFDR Oct 2016 #109

Not at all Kathy M Oct 2016 #114

A thread from yesterday or day before on the same subject Kathy M Oct 2016 #115

With friends like this... Joe941 Oct 2016 #117