2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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94. There are lines in states like NC because people want to vote.

Reply to LisaL (Reply #50)

Sat Oct 22, 2016, 01:30 AM

Oct 2016

The existence of lines doesn't vindicate the use of voting machines.

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Oregon's Voting method should be done nationwide! [View all] Boxerfan Oct 2016 OP

No thanks. LisaL Oct 2016 #1

Why not? It's massively easier. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #10

I already explained my numerous reasons. LisaL Oct 2016 #24

In Oregon, you can check that the ballot did indeed arrive duffyduff Oct 2016 #29

I already explained, I am not worried about fraud. LisaL Oct 2016 #34

I have first hand experience with a mis-matched signature in Oregon davepdx Oct 2016 #58

Having to go to the board of elections doesn't make voting by mail so very convenient. LisaL Oct 2016 #66

"took the option of going" pat_k Oct 2016 #88

Exactly duffyduff Oct 2016 #179

So you support disenfranchising homeless people? They don't get mail. NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #185

Addressed in other replies to you. pat_k Oct 2016 #211

What part of not all homeless people access services do you not understand? NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #214

Outreach goes to them. pat_k Oct 2016 #217

P.S. Are you aware that secure dropbox pat_k Oct 2016 #227

I don't want to vote by mail and that is my right NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #184

Outreach efforts pat_k Oct 2016 #212

In WA if you make an error, can download a replacement. pat_k Oct 2016 #41

Do you think everybody has a printer? LisaL Oct 2016 #42

Those who don't can pick one up or have one mailed. pat_k Oct 2016 #46

If you don't, they have one at the library. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #152

Important point. pat_k Oct 2016 #156

Homeless people don't have printers, computers or internet...or money to pay to do it NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #186

Libraries (as Ken Burch pointed out) and other provisions for homeless. pat_k Oct 2016 #199

As someone who has worked with homeless people I can say with confidence that NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #206

Did you visit the site? pat_k Oct 2016 #213

Yes, and the outreach goes to where homeless people get services, which does NOTHING NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #222

I still await answer to 217/220 pat_k Oct 2016 #225

You don't have to pay for stamps. WHEN CRABS ROAR Oct 2016 #107

I disagree Lisal. saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #180

So there are no homeless people in the Western US? Since when? NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #187

Please stand down saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #191

I could have sworn that it said you didn't understand how people did not have internet access NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #194

Sometimes I fail to communicate. saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #198

Outreach efforts assume no internet pat_k Oct 2016 #215

Outreach efforts assume no internet pat_k Oct 2016 #216

So why not have both Travis_0004 Oct 2016 #44

And that's fine. LisaL Oct 2016 #45

Earlier replies to you... pat_k Oct 2016 #47

Aren't we talking about Oregon? LisaL Oct 2016 #49

My take: It's a discussion of Vote by Mail with OR as an example. pat_k Oct 2016 #51

The fact that you see long lines in states where vote by mail is allowed should tell you something. LisaL Oct 2016 #52

What states are you referring to? pat_k Oct 2016 #59

What is the difference between no excuse absentee ballot and voting by mail? LisaL Oct 2016 #62

In no excuse absentee you have the burden... pat_k Oct 2016 #90

You have to fill out a short form in order to request an absentee ballot. LisaL Oct 2016 #91

People procrastinate. It's better than having no mail in option... pat_k Oct 2016 #120

You eliminated some issues but introduced all kind of others. LisaL Oct 2016 #143

Like what? pat_k Oct 2016 #171

We typically get 80%+ turnout Qutzupalotl Oct 2016 #64

What about homeless people? They don't get to vote if it's only mail in. NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #188

See the multiple previous posts on subject. pat_k Oct 2016 #219

Yes they can. They can register using a county clerk's office as their address Qutzupalotl Oct 2016 #243

There are long lines because they want to vote Ken Burch Oct 2016 #103

The lines are only a problem in states with mixed systems pat_k Oct 2016 #123

It's a formula of people having a choice how they want to vote. LisaL Oct 2016 #136

What choice is missing? pat_k Oct 2016 #157

You can think whatever you want. LisaL Oct 2016 #163

Please tell me again. As far as I can tell... pat_k Oct 2016 #173

Mixed systems can be problematic. pat_k Oct 2016 #125

We finally got more than two boxes here in Seattle! scscholar Oct 2016 #224

I don't blame you. Laffy Kat Oct 2016 #54

Unfortunately, in states where voting primarily takes place... pat_k Oct 2016 #65

You have all the same problems with voting by mail that you have with regular voting. LisaL Oct 2016 #106

Ballots are not scanned by machine in OR or WA pat_k Oct 2016 #126

That's absolutely false. Ballot are scanned on a machine. LisaL Oct 2016 #141

In Oregon the ballots are counted by machine. davepdx Oct 2016 #167

Thanks for correction. pat_k Oct 2016 #174

and there's the "paper trail" that can be accessed sherlocksistah Oct 2016 #175

All very good points... davepdx Oct 2016 #226

You're right, of course. Laffy Kat Oct 2016 #108

Me too. pat_k Oct 2016 #127

In Oregon there is still the GOTV effort so you may want to check with your state party office. davepdx Oct 2016 #144

Thanks! I need to look into how it works here. pat_k Oct 2016 #153

Unless you live in a precinct that uses electronic machines to vote, there is no difference. fleabiscuit Oct 2016 #104

And there's rigorous verification through ERIC pat_k Oct 2016 #2

Verification of what? LisaL Oct 2016 #4

Visit the ERIC site for explanation pat_k Oct 2016 #6

I am not worried about "voter fraud." LisaL Oct 2016 #7

In WA you can track your ballot online pat_k Oct 2016 #9

I could have done this here but I don't want to. LisaL Oct 2016 #14

In WA also have drop-boxes and accessible voting centers, pat_k Oct 2016 #25

None of that sounds enticing to me. LisaL Oct 2016 #31

You are defending a system that has no advantages. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #48

Is your opinion the only one that counts? LisaL Oct 2016 #50

Check out verifiedvoting.org pat_k Oct 2016 #53

There are lines in states like NC because people want to vote. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #94

How are mail in ballots counted? LisaL Oct 2016 #96

They hand-count ballots in general elections in the UK Ken Burch Oct 2016 #99

In WA it takes awhile pat_k Oct 2016 #101

But so what? Ken Burch Oct 2016 #109

Exactly! pat_k Oct 2016 #111

I guess you don't remember hanging chads. LisaL Oct 2016 #113

Non issue with ballots used in WA and others. pat_k Oct 2016 #121

P.S. You wanna talk FL 2000 pat_k Oct 2016 #122

lol Forever tazkcmo Oct 2016 #189

The doubters have NO argument. duffyduff Oct 2016 #196

Ditto in Oregon duffyduff Oct 2016 #35

You receive your ballot in the mail and drop it off at drop boxes at your leisure. CentralMass Oct 2016 #13

I prefer to go to voting place and vote at my leisure. LisaL Oct 2016 #17

Ok, well in Massachusetts where I lived for 5 decades I voted CentralMass Oct 2016 #37

Multiple people check it here in Oregon duffyduff Oct 2016 #33

So your signature never changes? LisaL Oct 2016 #36

Objection already addressed. pat_k Oct 2016 #55

Most. Not in FL in 2012. Thousands of ballots were rejected. LisaL Oct 2016 #57

Florida is not a "Vote by Mail" state. pat_k Oct 2016 #69

So if they all started voting by mail it would somehow be better? LisaL Oct 2016 #78

??? pat_k Oct 2016 #95

No reason? Jeez. LisaL Oct 2016 #97

What capabilities do Florida voters lack relative to pat_k Oct 2016 #100

There is too much paranoia being spewed by some on this thread duffyduff Oct 2016 #178

Agree - we've got vote by mail in WA state as well. Salviati Oct 2016 #3

Yea, great, if you mail don't get lost. LisaL Oct 2016 #5

In WA you can track your ballot online pat_k Oct 2016 #8

And what good does that do? LisaL Oct 2016 #11

If it doesn't show up, you can go to the elections office and get a replacement ballot. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author LisaL Oct 2016 #18

Having to go to the elections office to get a replacement ballot LisaL Oct 2016 #21

Can download a replacement ballot pat_k Oct 2016 #27

They lose whole ballot boxes in some states. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #12

Who still has ballots? LisaL Oct 2016 #15

They use ballots in a lot of states. Ken Burch Oct 2016 #19

And there are plenty of people who don't want to vote by mail. LisaL Oct 2016 #22

Don't have to. Answered above. pat_k Oct 2016 #30

I am a software quality assurance engineer and have been one for 20+ years boomer55 Oct 2016 #23

How do you know your mail in vote is counted? LisaL Oct 2016 #26

Answered above pat_k Oct 2016 #28

There have been lots of issues with the signatures supposedly "not matching." LisaL Oct 2016 #40

If that is the case then Florida's mail voting processes are severely lacking davepdx Oct 2016 #61

We can't all live in Oregon, can we? LisaL Oct 2016 #63

Florida is not a vote by mail state. pat_k Oct 2016 #76

I am pretty sure if they switched to voting by mail only it would be even more problematic. LisaL Oct 2016 #81

Answered above. pat_k Oct 2016 #98

I recognize that it isn't a vote by mail state davepdx Oct 2016 #110

It's a dilemma. pat_k Oct 2016 #116

All excellent points davepdx Oct 2016 #124

I miss "election day" too. pat_k Oct 2016 #128

As noted in another reply, FL is not a "Vote by Mail" state. pat_k Oct 2016 #73

So you think that if a state by FL became a "Vote by Mail only" state, all its issues would LisaL Oct 2016 #74

Certainly. So long as they employed the same safeguards... pat_k Oct 2016 #82

And who do you think is going to ensure that? Their republican governor? LisaL Oct 2016 #84

Mustering the political will to ensure the... pat_k Oct 2016 #86

+1 davepdx Oct 2016 #114

Lots of states use paper ballots at the PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2016 #169

Yes. At location where people physically go in and vote. CentralMass Oct 2016 #20

In CO I get an email & text for ballot received and when counted. if there is an issue Turn CO Blue Oct 2016 #43

I'm in Ga. and I'm 100% in favor of votre by mail. I really don't like these napi21 Oct 2016 #32

verifiedvoting.org -- worthy of support pat_k Oct 2016 #39

We vote by mail here in Colorado too since 2014. Turn CO Blue Oct 2016 #38

I lived in Oregon all my life and now live in Washington. FightingIrish Oct 2016 #56

unless its "lost" in the mail or deliberately re-routed or tossed out nt msongs Oct 2016 #60

Which would be a felony. Qutzupalotl Oct 2016 #67

And since you can track your ballot... pat_k Oct 2016 #72

Yep. duffyduff Oct 2016 #201

Just Voted in California by mail senegal1 Oct 2016 #68

Well you seem to have an enormous number if issues on the ballot. LisaL Oct 2016 #70

Yes most I have seen in my life senegal1 Oct 2016 #75

It won't take nowhere near as long here. LisaL Oct 2016 #79

I like going to the polling place democrattotheend Oct 2016 #71

Yup! Our Oregon ballots are ready to be mailed out tomorrow! We love Akamai Oct 2016 #77

In California you can vote by mail or in person. I have a permanent vote by mail. still_one Oct 2016 #80

Considering how often my mail gets misdirected and lost, I just don't trust it. Neema Oct 2016 #83

And you can do just that... pat_k Oct 2016 #85

Voting centers for voters with disabilities. LisaL Oct 2016 #87

They can take it to a drop box location pat_k Oct 2016 #118

White people problems?! Missn-Hitch Oct 2016 #89

I can't support voting by male Retired George Oct 2016 #92

Love it! pat_k Oct 2016 #119

I dropped my ballot off today!! OregonLiburl Oct 2016 #93

Hell yes. Just mailed in our ballots in Montana. LOVE it. Maru Kitteh Oct 2016 #102

I mailed my ballot today here in AZ True_Blue Oct 2016 #105

Here in CA we have both mail and in person. I only vote by mail SunSeeker Oct 2016 #112

Waaaah shadowmayor Oct 2016 #115

My sister lives in Oregon and loves the way they vote. riversedge Oct 2016 #117

I HATE vote by mail (Washington) LisaM Oct 2016 #129

I was all in for voting by mail until iwillalwayswonderwhy Oct 2016 #130

Yes. Mme. Defarge Oct 2016 #132

That's another thing. LisaL Oct 2016 #133

See #158 pat_k Oct 2016 #159

Those types would request absentee ballots anyway. Haters gotta hate. nt fleabiscuit Oct 2016 #145

Why in heaven's name would they sign? pat_k Oct 2016 #158

It seem you have no understanding of dynamics in some families. LisaL Oct 2016 #164

Sadly, individuals suffering that level of psychological pat_k Oct 2016 #181

I think it boils down to would you vote exactly the same iwillalwayswonderwhy Oct 2016 #209

Why fill out in presence of anyone? pat_k Oct 2016 #221

We need to keep an eye on states like Oregon and Florida. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #131

Florida? LisaL Oct 2016 #134

Yes, Florida. NCTraveler Oct 2016 #135

I support voting by mail. I wish PA did that for their entire election. clutterbox1830 Oct 2016 #140

Some people might end up not able to vote. Because they are trying to vote by mail. LisaL Oct 2016 #142

There are many more people that will not vote b/c that can't get to the poll stations or not willing clutterbox1830 Oct 2016 #146

Yes. Lines are tantamount to a poll tax. pat_k Oct 2016 #166

people with disabilities in Oregon can always find ways to get their ballot in sherlocksistah Oct 2016 #170

That's not Oregon. nt fleabiscuit Oct 2016 #148

Considering OP wants Oregon voting system extended to other states, I would think it is relevant. LisaL Oct 2016 #154

Discussion is broader than the OR implementation... pat_k Oct 2016 #168

That wasn't our system. Not relevant. fleabiscuit Oct 2016 #192

No excuse absentee in NJ is seriously flawed. pat_k Oct 2016 #165

So there are obvious problems with partial mail in vote? LisaL Oct 2016 #176

Repeat of previous (post number cited below) pat_k Oct 2016 #190

Indeed. Expecting my ballot in the mailbox today. Some friends voted yesterday. Coyotl Oct 2016 #150

My CA absentee ballot...which I consider early voting.. Tikki Oct 2016 #151

Love it duffyduff Oct 2016 #177

It's never good to have only one way to vote NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #182

There isn't just "one way" in OR and WA pat_k Oct 2016 #193

And I am looking forward to voting by going to a polling place and voting on a machine with a LisaL Oct 2016 #197

Each and every worry addressed. pat_k Oct 2016 #200

Not to my satisfaction. LisaL Oct 2016 #205

Because there is no way to... pat_k Oct 2016 #208

OK, what about someone who is homeless and doesn't use services? NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #202

Outreach efforts: pat_k Oct 2016 #207

You don't understand homeless people at all. I do...I worked with them and used to be one myself. NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #210

I await response to 217 pat_k Oct 2016 #220

Your answer is that people should be able to vote however the fuck they want NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #229

Non-answer. pat_k Oct 2016 #234

You sound like a goddamned Pro-Lifer trying to regulate how I vote. NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #236

The type of system you advocate is more... pat_k Oct 2016 #238

well then don't "fucking" do it! sherlocksistah Oct 2016 #245

Who would want to? duffyduff Oct 2016 #195

After all the back and forth pat_k Oct 2016 #203

Colorado is the same meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #204

So, voting by mail seems awesome, and I think more often than not it is awesome. I just JCanete Oct 2016 #218

There is an exhange above on the subject pat_k Oct 2016 #223

Vote By Mail Solves a Whole Host of Election Issues Thunderbeast Oct 2016 #228

Some of the responses on this thread is EXACTLY why I will NEVER register as Democrat NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #230

My feelings exactly. LisaL Oct 2016 #233

The problems have been made crystal clear. pat_k Oct 2016 #237

I just put that person on ignore... NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #240

Whew. What a relief. pat_k Oct 2016 #242

OR and WA style voting offer more ways to "vote however the hell you want" pat_k Oct 2016 #235

Hi, I'm from Oregon and I know better than everyone else about how they should vote. NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #239

I'm sure that, like WA, OR has.. pat_k Oct 2016 #241

Wow, 245 replies to this post! sherlocksistah Oct 2016 #246

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