2016 Postmortem

Jennicut

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18. I agree with a lot of what Joan Walsh wrote.

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:11 PM

Dec 2012

Don't run because people expect you to or you are the inevitable candidate. Run for President because you have a real passion to.

I like Hillary, just not some of the people that backed her. The PUMAS and establishment types like Lenny Davis. And some of the people that worked for her were a turn off like Mark Penn. But if she is the nominee I will totally back her.

I am totally uncomfortable with anyone being seen as inevitable and a shoo-in. This is a democratic republic, we do not have royalty. One must earn the nomination of the Dem Party for me to vote for them. Lay out specifics, let me see what you believe. I felt this way about Obama in 2007/2008 as well even after he won the Iowa caucus. I wanted to get to know him as a candidate before I backed him. I eventually felt Obama was closer to where I was in my beliefs.

But I greatly respect and like Hillary, I respect Joe Biden, I really like Deval Patrick, I like Martin O'Malley. There are tons more great Dems that would be viable candidates in 2016. I want to hear what all of them have to say. But the media is already turning this into a Hillary-fest and it is not really her fault.

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The case against Hillary [View all] DonViejo Dec 2012 OP

Anybody got a clue re: the source for this comment from Walsh?: Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #1

hey, joan...a 21st century New Deal from Hillary would mean more jobs outsourced. nt antigop Dec 2012 #5

If there is a better way to destroy what is left of the middle-class in this country, I don't AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #51

many will support simply it because they want a female prez soooo badly. Believe it. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #54

And ironically, some gender-influenced supporters will call non-supporters "sexists". AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #56

Hillary seems to have a lot of ties to India and outsourcing to India. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #83

She's being cautious. She supported Hillary in 2008 and wants her to run again. onehandle Dec 2012 #2

They won't listen though davidpdx Dec 2012 #34

The problem with her 21st Century New Deal assertion is that FDR WI_DEM Dec 2012 #3

what nonsense...she says to be wary of "inevitability and entitlement" antigop Dec 2012 #4

Great point!! She says that Hillary shouldn't have this sense of entitlement, then she turns around Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #8

Yes, DLC and supporter of the MIC. I will never support Hillary. sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #28

The DLC sure stays out-of-sight-out-of-mind... ReRe Dec 2012 #80

I agree with Joan, but you can't say that around DU, it seems. I like Hillary and will vote Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #6

My advice is to keep an open mind davidpdx Dec 2012 #36

I agree with you. I will support Hillary if she is the nominee, but she may not be my top choice. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #38

"The activist national security wing of the Democratic Party seems high on a Hillary run" leveymg Dec 2012 #7

Oh, go ahead, say it. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #12

thanks for posting that. Had not seen it. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #13

Neocons = Donkeypox. That's a compelling image. leveymg Dec 2012 #14

Hillary will run, and she will win. and I will be on her side this time because she has earned it. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #9

there will be a primary in 2016, not a coronation. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #11

These are the same people that thought 2008 was going to be a coronation davidpdx Dec 2012 #37

I was vehemently anti-Hillary in 2008. No longer. She will do a good job. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #70

a Dem PRIMARY in 2016 will decide who gets the nomination. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #77

I will stand by he side too. She has LukeFL Dec 2012 #23

She will not have "earned it" until she gets through the primaries. The people will decide. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #94

I love the Clintons but Myrina Dec 2012 #10

I like her with Julian Castro LukeFL Dec 2012 #24

That tired old meme: inevitability and entitlement. Beacool Dec 2012 #15

the inevitability/entitlement meme was pushed by many of her supporters. nt antigop Dec 2012 #17

You "children" just keep telling yourselves it was a media meme, "dearie". ieoeja Dec 2012 #19

I said that Hillary didn't herself believe it. Beacool Dec 2012 #20

I agree with you she never said that davidpdx Dec 2012 #39

The 2008 election was unique. Beacool Dec 2012 #43

I agree with you on the historic nature, but there are still many firsts that haven't happened davidpdx Dec 2012 #47

I sincerely hope we don't have Hillary marlakay Dec 2012 #16

her "baggage" includes remarks about the "advantages" of outsourcing antigop Dec 2012 #22

Agreed! There are pictures on the net of her in a sari talking to Tata, the outsourcing company! LongTomH Dec 2012 #55

I agree with a lot of what Joan Walsh wrote. Jennicut Dec 2012 #18

The problem is not Hillary. Beacool Dec 2012 #21

Hey Bea! Jennicut Dec 2012 #74

Yeah, Christie is too moderate for the RW. Beacool Dec 2012 #89

The Republicans only pretended to like Hillary in 2008 because they wanted to keep the discord Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #96

His name is Barack Obama, Beacool. And he is our president. Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #95

Yes, it is and so he is. Beacool Dec 2012 #99

All these dismissive terms are tiresome...inevitability...entitlement...too old libdem4life Dec 2012 #25

And she's smart enough customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #31

nope. not "tiresome" -- the truth. What, exactly, has she "EARNED"? nt antigop Dec 2012 #32

What has any political personage earned? I think it's widely called political power..and without it libdem4life Dec 2012 #58

ah, yes...people who didn't support her were "sexists". A 2016 PRIMARY, not a coronation. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #60

No, just the ones who called her names, made fun of her, and generally made asses of themselves libdem4life Dec 2012 #61

my, my, struck a nerve, did I? There will be a PRIMARY in 2016, not a coronation. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #68

Uh, no...not a nerve, just a habit I have of often using more than 10-12 words to say on a subject, libdem4life Dec 2012 #102

and there it is again.. the same meme..."there are no other qualified Democrats" n/t antigop Dec 2012 #107

why oh why DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #26

because they want a female president soooooo badly. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #35

Elizabeth Warren will be the first woman to become US President MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #27

Hillary's going to run again, I'd bet on it customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #29

A "frontrunner" ?She hasn't even announced she's running. Too funny. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #33

Ok, then help me out customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #40

Obama hasn't even started his second term. That's the point. nt antigop Dec 2012 #42

And my point is customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #49

For crying out loud, you totally missed the point. Obama hasn't started his second term yet antigop Dec 2012 #52

All the other Democrats who have been mentioned for 2016 look like lightweights bluestateguy Dec 2012 #30

Now there's some irony for you Proud Public Servant Dec 2012 #41

Tell you what bluestateguy Dec 2012 #44

A Lot can happen in four years.. but, if Hillary does Cha Dec 2012 #45

OK HeavenTim Dec 2012 #46

If Hillary is a lock in 2016, I don't see how you don't go with her. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #48

sigh...here we go again..."Hillary... almost definitely has a lock"...we will have a primary in 2016 antigop Dec 2012 #53

Sigh. Did you even read what I wrote? Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #57

and there you go again..."almost definitely a lock"...yep, there's that inevitability meme again antigop Dec 2012 #59

No. But you are. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #64

she's hasn't even said she's running. There is "no lock" for someone who isn't even running. nt antigop Dec 2012 #69

It's going to be her. I know it like I knew it was going to be Obama in 2008. MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #71

ah, yes.. the "inevitability" meme... it's hers..there is no one else. It's "inevitable." nt antigop Dec 2012 #76

Are you a robot? Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #82

just pointiing out the same meme Because the meme keeps getting repeated. n/t antigop Dec 2012 #84

tell you what...how about following davidpdx's advice and WAIT until you see who's running antigop Dec 2012 #86

If she runs, she wins. That's my view. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #73

ah, yes.. the "inevitability" meme... it's hers..there is no one else. It's "inevitable." nt antigop Dec 2012 #75

Ah, yes, no one dare have a different opinion. Drunken Irishman Dec 2012 #81

and there you go again...you do know what a "meme" is, don't you? n/t antigop Dec 2012 #85

A meme? Hmmm. How about we just agree that it will be "a PRIMARY and not a coronation in 2016" libdem4life Dec 2012 #106

HRC won't run. She said in 2008 she wouldn't run again. And recently struggle4progress Dec 2012 #50

I'd guess she will be drafted. It does seem strange that no Democrat has come forth. libdem4life Dec 2012 #63

The chance of JB being elected President in a fair election is nearly zero struggle4progress Dec 2012 #67

Other than her gender and her age and her party, what sets her apart from Jeb? libdem4life Dec 2012 #62

Jeb's last name is nationally toxic and his party has moved away from him to the right Marsala Dec 2012 #65

I agree she's made it with dignity and hard work. She's respected all over the world. libdem4life Dec 2012 #66

Hillary is not Bill's daughter. It is not a dynasty. Beacool Dec 2012 #72

Hillary, you're no Jack Kennedy antigop Dec 2012 #78

antigop, you are no Hillary supporter. Beacool Dec 2012 #87

telling the truth about her support for outsourcing is not "crapping". Did I strike a nerve? antigop Dec 2012 #91

telling the truth about her support for increases in h1-b visas is not "crapping" either. antigop Dec 2012 #93

and once again, I will post HER OWN WORDS on the "advantages" of outsourcing antigop Dec 2012 #92

Feel free to vote for that other party. Until we can get a Grayson or someone else libdem4life Dec 2012 #103

so now postng Hillary's OWN WORDS is "sniping" and "carping"? Gee, don't DUers want the truth? nt antigop Dec 2012 #104

Wow...Hillary is not a Liberal. Most of us understand that. Sniping and carping, in this case, libdem4life Dec 2012 #108

so posting HER OWN words is a "bad attitude"? It's called the truth. nt antigop Dec 2012 #109

My concern is that she may be too old for it. Deep13 Dec 2012 #79

Was Golda Meir too old? Beacool Dec 2012 #88

*shrug* nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #90

I think Mrs. Clinton will retire from serving in American politics fulltime. Sunlei Dec 2012 #97

Since she was on the Walmart Board of Directors, I'd vote for Fiengold or Elizabeth Warren. grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #98

goes hand in glove with her statement about "advantages" of outsourcing US jobs. nt antigop Dec 2012 #100

Well thought out article JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #101

the massive lies she gave during the primaries Whisp Dec 2012 #105

Oh, please............. Beacool Dec 2012 #110

Lies are lies, Bea. Whether they come from a Romney or anyone else. Whisp Dec 2012 #111