2016 Postmortem

R B Garr

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58. I saw lots of Hillary signs in Southern California. When Bernie had no path to victory,

Wed Nov 16, 2016, 12:10 AM

Nov 2016

he should have left the campaign. He insisted on staying, and the result was that he gave Trump nonstop ammo. Trump even thanked Bernie for it. It's common knowledge that primary opponents are not encouraged to damage a General election opponent. It's really a shame that he disregarded that common sense advice to no good end.

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I will tell why we were all wrong. [View all] boston bean Nov 2016 OP

Yes, for running while female. LisaM Nov 2016 #1

Elizabeth Warren would have CREAMED Trump ErikJ Nov 2016 #36

Has anyone said this yet.. INdemo Nov 2016 #43

BOTTOM LINE: Hillary admitted herself "I'm not good at this" ErikJ Nov 2016 #46

Hillary is not Bill and Bill has actually lost it INdemo Nov 2016 #53

Sorry, Not sure what youre saying. ErikJ Nov 2016 #57

Hillary Clinton is not the campaigner that Bill was INdemo Nov 2016 #88

None of this Hillary trashing is true about this election. duffyduff Nov 2016 #60

I am. Hillary was UNINSPIRING. Period. ErikJ Nov 2016 #69

Speak for yourself. LisaM Nov 2016 #70

Fact: Hillary targeted for 30 yrs by GOP. ErikJ Nov 2016 #72

Political candidates don't exist to inspire you NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #109

Tell that to almost all of our presidents who usually had tons of energy, sincerity and magnetism ErikJ Nov 2016 #121

Of course she is uninspiring to you DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #115

I wouldve LOVED Warren to run. ErikJ Nov 2016 #120

Yup. You would have loved the woman with NO AMBITION for the Presidency to have run. pnwmom Nov 2016 #142

Bingo! NastyRiffraff Nov 2016 #145

You do know that more people voted for her than for trump? lunamagica Nov 2016 #101

Yes, but not in the states where it mattered. NT hueymahl Nov 2016 #127

Yeah, people in red states count more than people in blue states, so Hillary's voters pnwmom Nov 2016 #146

Her problem was she lost the blue states hueymahl Nov 2016 #148

I don't believe she lost Pennsylvania, actually. But we'll never know pnwmom Nov 2016 #149

Respectfully, that is tinfoil hat thinking hueymahl Nov 2016 #150

Iowa didn't matter, didn't change anything in the primary Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #113

I did. My thread was alerted and locked in 45 seconds. zonkers Nov 2016 #143

The emails purporting to show the DNC helping Hillary were written in late April and early May, pnwmom Nov 2016 #147

She'd have been slaughtered. duffyduff Nov 2016 #59

Totally agree frazzled Nov 2016 #98

Thank you mcar Nov 2016 #122

Slaughtered. zonkers Nov 2016 #144

NO. QUESTION. ABOUT. THIS. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #102

Utter crap. pnwmom Nov 2016 #141

So much sexism mcar Nov 2016 #2

Our own unenthusiastic Dems didn't help. "I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary" SharonAnn Nov 2016 #83

I'll say this again... it had nothing to do with her being a woman. MelissaB Nov 2016 #3

Thanks for the vote. U were smarter than some. But ur answer here doesnt boston bean Nov 2016 #4

You want me explain how someone could vote for Donald MelissaB Nov 2016 #5

You have been explaining it to me. boston bean Nov 2016 #11

This is truly self-serving claptrap. Gore was thrown under the bus by the R B Garr Nov 2016 #17

Exactly- these voters hate "tax and spend" Dems and he is the biggest one around. bettyellen Nov 2016 #37

Yep - there was definately a "Nader effect" contributing to this loss. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #71

A-fucking-men to that. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #45

I pretty much agree with you. stolnepounder Nov 2016 #51

On that, I could never agree. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #64

Me, too, on all points, every single point. closeupready Nov 2016 #118

Yep. It was shocking to see that so many would vote for him. She won the most votes, but Lucinda Nov 2016 #6

I know, right! "He tells it like it is." "He doesn't really mean that." manicraven Nov 2016 #76

He tells it like it is Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #132

I've been thinking about this ince the votes were counted. I think I finally accepted two reasons. napi21 Nov 2016 #7

Oh, hell............... MyOwnPeace Nov 2016 #9

Nope, not buying it.. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #61

Yeah, but if that is truly the case then we'll never win another election. Ligyron Nov 2016 #103

right now, I'm not optimistic that we will mountain grammy Nov 2016 #104

It will be bad for at least a couple years for us. Ligyron Nov 2016 #106

I think that's a part of it. If we listen to what they would tell manicraven Nov 2016 #77

Basically, so few of us could realize how fucked up America really is... MrScorpio Nov 2016 #8

Pretty much. I am on the outs with family over this boston bean Nov 2016 #10

Many of us are dealing with this SHRED Nov 2016 #13

Me, too. Much of my family here in a blue state voted for Trump. manicraven Nov 2016 #79

Yes! I still feel gobsmacked. manicraven Nov 2016 #78

Trump generated excitement, Hillary not so much ErikJ Nov 2016 #12

By the time it is done it is estimated hillary will have ove 2M votes more than trump. boston bean Nov 2016 #14

Yes, we need a lot more than they do to win anymore. ErikJ Nov 2016 #29

She turned out millions more votes than Bernie BainsBane Nov 2016 #16

Apparently not as excited as Trump voters Nevernose Nov 2016 #21

Eichenwald explains part of why that is BainsBane Nov 2016 #24

I'm not saying Bernie is magic Nevernose Nov 2016 #73

Zactly right. I'm in Portland where Bernie signs EVERYWHERE ErikJ Nov 2016 #40

I saw lots of Hillary signs in Southern California. When Bernie had no path to victory, R B Garr Nov 2016 #58

So, "charisma" is defined as what? July Nov 2016 #22

Bernie-like rallies. ErikJ Nov 2016 #28

Low info but so much fun! bettyellen Nov 2016 #34

Bernie would have lost in a three-way contest. duffyduff Nov 2016 #62

No I wont. Dems have to learn their lesson. ErikJ Nov 2016 #65

We had a three-way race and Hillary Lost remember INdemo Nov 2016 #67

Trump has "charisma" ?!? Good lord the straws y'all grasp at to deny the sexism... bettyellen Nov 2016 #27

Yes he was able to excite his followers like Elizabeth Warren, Bernie, Obama, JFK, FDR and Bill did ErikJ Nov 2016 #31

Bernie didn't excite he majority of voters- he lost by a large margin. bettyellen Nov 2016 #33

"Excitement" doesn't win elections. NYC Liberal Nov 2016 #41

The Bill Clinton-loving black seniors mostly women gave the primary to Hillary. ErikJ Nov 2016 #44

Signs mean nothing. Nor do rallies. Only votes. NYC Liberal Nov 2016 #49

Reality: For president Charisma and issue policy mean everything. ErikJ Nov 2016 #54

I think Hillary has different qualities that many did appreciate, such as manicraven Nov 2016 #81

NO, he ads were not all anti Trump. Take a stroll over to the HRC forum and take a look at her ads. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #123

What a horrible mischaracterization. Truly shameful. California is the largest prize, R B Garr Nov 2016 #74

"millions of Bernie signs" TwilightZone Nov 2016 #133

Thats Bullshit INdemo Nov 2016 #48

And those crowds meant, what, exactly? NYC Liberal Nov 2016 #52

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #63

She wasn't running as "Bill's wife." That is a SEXIST rotten thing to say. manicraven Nov 2016 #82

There is some sexism involved, no doubt. Ligyron Nov 2016 #105

She won the popular vote to the tune of 1 MILLION and counting. R B Garr Nov 2016 #35

Eliz Warren or Bernie wouldve creamed Trump ErikJ Nov 2016 #39

lol, that is just wishful thinking and recycled claptrap at this point. R B Garr Nov 2016 #42

Though I loved them, they wouldn't have beaten Trump. SharonAnn Nov 2016 #84

We in DU were encapsulated in our own community... and majority of population growth that favored MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #15

I believe that this election was a Coup.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #18

I do too, Frenchie. Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #26

Bingo, I think you're on to something here. All Trump's whining about a rigged R B Garr Nov 2016 #30

Just remember Rove's playbook...always accuse your opponent of doing what you're doing. haele Nov 2016 #129

My thoughts as well... VOX Nov 2016 #50

It's hard not to think that.. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #68

I agree but think about this INdemo Nov 2016 #87

Trump didn't win without the help of: blueotter Nov 2016 #19

That's why he suggests w/o proof that protesters are paid by rich Dems. July Nov 2016 #23

A perfect storm brewed with angry white men Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #20

Yup. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #89

They voted for Palin, Jan Brewer, etc. Ligyron Nov 2016 #107

the women who voted for dumpman probably were religious right-wing Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #117

Then why did Trump win the white women vote? lunasun Nov 2016 #135

Maybe they are from the Christian-right Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #136

Ha yes the ones at his rallies with trump can grab my pussy and clinton sucks Tshirts . Sure lunasun Nov 2016 #137

No cause to lash out at me, we are all hurting from this election. Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #138

It doesn't take a lot of misogynists to lose an election marylandblue Nov 2016 #25

The bastard picked up many votes among black men, latinos and white women Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #32

i've been struggling to understand shireen Nov 2016 #38

Voter. Suppression. Bettie Nov 2016 #47

All of that is true, but in the end, duffyduff Nov 2016 #55

It was obvious to me that Hillary lost because of Comey's 1-2 punch. SunSeeker Nov 2016 #56

When i was trying to be Christian 10 years ago Buddha2B Nov 2016 #66

Hillary actually WON by a million votes and counting. Never forget that. Hekate Nov 2016 #75

She ignored the Rust Belt. That's how she lost. Yukari Yakumo Nov 2016 #80

How do you explain PA then? boston bean Nov 2016 #86

where did she rally in the state compared to trump? Glassunion Nov 2016 #134

A lot of the people who voted for Trump just wanted to throw a bomb BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #85

Hillary did not lose because she was a women. She lost because the DNC B Calm Nov 2016 #90

still singing that old song and dance huh? boston bean Nov 2016 #91

Continue to ignore the truth and the party is doomed. B Calm Nov 2016 #92

If you think everyone is scared off buy bologne like this, and uncritical thinking boston bean Nov 2016 #93

This election proved the party can not win without the left wing B Calm Nov 2016 #95

hahahahaah.. Glad people who feel and possibly vote like you were so right!! boston bean Nov 2016 #96

The morons were the DNC. B Calm Nov 2016 #97

The morons are the ones who risked everything to prove they were right by helping boston bean Nov 2016 #99

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #100

Preach liquid diamond Nov 2016 #108

The corporate wing is working out so well. MelissaB Nov 2016 #114

not true at all Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #110

Wow, that's a convincing argument. B Calm Nov 2016 #124

We were not all wrong randr Nov 2016 #94

I'll say this once to get it out of my system and I'm done. Ligyron Nov 2016 #111

Yes They_Live Nov 2016 #139

Wrong but since you and your clique know everything, closeupready Nov 2016 #112

It's looking pretty hopless here. MelissaB Nov 2016 #116

Yes. If you are a liberal or progressive, and DU is run by people like the OP, closeupready Nov 2016 #119

Even my 90 year old mom said that there was misogyny involved. cwydro Nov 2016 #125

"it appears that the woman was the worse candidate"....the truly sad reality is that... George II Nov 2016 #126

Basically racism & hatred of women Generator Nov 2016 #128

Yep. Nasty Woman who got too uppity WhiteTara Nov 2016 #130

Sanders doesn't have charisma. He is anti-charisma. Charisma is a small part of running. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #131

Moreover, Trump was a JOKE candidate along the lines of Pat Paulsen duffyduff Nov 2016 #140