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2016 Postmortem

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Wed Nov 16, 2016, 12:44 AM Nov 2016

Wow - the concern trolls were right. [View all]

Turns out that those DU posters who were so quickly and condescendingly labeled as "Concern Trolls" if they dared express ANY doubts about Hillary winning... were quite right to be concerned.

Unrealistic optimism noted, people.


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Oh my. In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #1
I believe every word I typed but Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #34
Perhaps you are right. In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #37
I may have been labeled a concern troll. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #59
I got banned in both groups also. hueymahl Nov 2016 #181
I considered it an honor and a bad sign for the election SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #199
I miss results Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #103
Those days are gone forever. In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #107
Well, I'm still in shock and don't know what to yet believe. rusty quoin Nov 2016 #2
I think that's what I'm feeling, too: shock. Beartracks Nov 2016 #3
I felt worse 2004. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #8
I still believed she would win, but I am forever traumatized by the 2004 election. Kali Nov 2016 #80
Same here Siwsan Nov 2016 #77
So many Democrats are scared now AFTER the election. Beartracks Nov 2016 #4
I know I wasn't a troll when I voiced concern. Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #26
Nothing but blind boisterous optimism was allowed revbones Nov 2016 #54
Exactly. Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #58
I feel that the barring of dissention is not good for a "Democratic" site... TrekLuver Nov 2016 #64
Sounds like those people squashing disent revbones Nov 2016 #70
I agree with you. alarimer Nov 2016 #154
I don't think we're done with that yet. MelissaB Nov 2016 #74
Exactly. revbones Nov 2016 #78
Yup. MelissaB Nov 2016 #89
Looks that way, unfortunately. n/t reflection Nov 2016 #92
1 . I just checked in for the first time today Arazi Nov 2016 #145
I don't think we're done with that yet. LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #90
Yes. How fing hard is it to use two Blackberries exboyfil Nov 2016 #157
Exactly democrattotheend Nov 2016 #140
You are agreeing with a banned troll. JTFrog Nov 2016 #143
Sorry, I didn't realize that democrattotheend Nov 2016 #144
I have been here since shortly after the 2000 election.... vi5 Nov 2016 #178
I'll be honest, I expressed a lot of confidence in my personal life that Clinton would win. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #5
yep, same here Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #32
yep, same here 0rganism Nov 2016 #95
I think anyone who was not concerned after Comey's Friday note to Congress andym Nov 2016 #6
I agree. she may have won. but she was out of touch. as were people around her. Robby Mook? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #65
there is a difference between concern and dragging things down. none of it changes that many of them JI7 Nov 2016 #7
You get to say "I told you so" BainsBane Nov 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #10
What 100 million dollars? BainsBane Nov 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #12
Well said. Esse Quam Videri Nov 2016 #27
Nice. cwydro Nov 2016 #28
Doesn't matter to them. vdogg Nov 2016 #39
Sadly, you're right. cwydro Nov 2016 #45
You do know she got over 4 million lesser votes than Obama did in 2008? Why? B Calm Nov 2016 #121
You shouldn't be concerned about that... Raster Nov 2016 #127
Let's just take a look at the numbers, shall we.... Fla Dem Nov 2016 #139
Hillary Clinton allowed Trump to win the election. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #150
Yep. This cannot be said enough. hueymahl Nov 2016 #182
There are a number of problems with this argument kenfrequed Nov 2016 #152
Well said. Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #21
Thank you, BB brer cat Nov 2016 #38
Good grief. Cary Nov 2016 #23
Hillary net worth is 30 million.. where do you get your number from? secondwind Nov 2016 #31
This!!! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #17
OP is saying the truth. and it's more than "I told you so". Its let's not this happen again. zonkers Nov 2016 #67
I'm not saying I told you so. Beartracks Nov 2016 #93
Yes! This! Madam45for2923 Nov 2016 #172
You are absolutely right bains, and I made that point several times. The last two weeks still_one Nov 2016 #177
They weren't right to think that Bernie would have done any better. pnwmom Nov 2016 #13
Expressing legitimate concern is not concern trolling. Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #16
If your friends were paying attention , I don't know why pnwmom Nov 2016 #110
Anyone who hangs out in this little echo chamber Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #115
I'm sure there was a lot of what you describe at the BOE. pnwmom Nov 2016 #117
You have no way of knowing where the ripples go to. Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #118
You don't think the GOTV people were working hard? I sure heard from a lot of them, pnwmom Nov 2016 #119
The question isn't whether the GOTV people on the ground were working hard, Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #192
I agree with the points you made, Ms. Toad True Dough Nov 2016 #168
They were expressed by many, Ms. Toad Nov 2016 #191
And when I say that it's too bad they come after the fact... True Dough Nov 2016 #196
there was one election day poll that said Sanders would have beat Don 55-44 SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #69
Yeah, there was, based on opinions developed after NOT seeing Bernie the subject pnwmom Nov 2016 #158
No argument here. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #162
Exit polls poll the people who voted shawn703 Nov 2016 #155
Yeah, not being allowed to even mention the possibility pre-election, got pretty silly. nt prayin4rain Nov 2016 #14
Dues paid member of the ACT here. NT pablo_marmol Nov 2016 #15
You had no data to back up your concern with. There was tons of data supporting a Clinton win. randome Nov 2016 #18
The polls were rosy, and I was not posting concerns. Beartracks Nov 2016 #87
If only we had listened to the concern trolls... Xipe Totec Nov 2016 #19
Maybe we all would have done a little bit more democrattotheend Nov 2016 #141
The concern trolls almost never are, and are usually sent here from other sites to demoralize Democr vdogg Nov 2016 #20
Sowing discord and discontent works wonders. Cary Nov 2016 #25
So let the celebrations being! eh? --- You guys are something else. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #22
Weak links. Cary Nov 2016 #24
I am concerned about this concern over the veracity of the average concern troll. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #52
Ha! You always crack me up! Thanks for the chuckle! NurseJackie Nov 2016 #98
Heh. Not happy at all. Beartracks Nov 2016 #88
There is a difference between trolling and genuine concern. ehrnst Nov 2016 #29
unfortunately the persons that dismissed any criticism, question, discussion or inquiry... Raster Nov 2016 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #30
As a former concern troll, I don't think we should waste our time and energy gloating. Vinca Nov 2016 #33
I don't see it as gloating democrattotheend Nov 2016 #142
Yeah, I'll admit it: Paladin Nov 2016 #35
I think a lesson should be learned here...just because someone posts something that is TrekLuver Nov 2016 #36
Bravo!! Kilgore Nov 2016 #40
Echo chambers don't solve anything LeftInTX Nov 2016 #120
and they're learning the wrong lessons from this already. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #41
We were right to be concerned about Bernie and his BoBers. JTFrog Nov 2016 #42
In that respect, Sanders was no better than Susan Sarandon. randome Nov 2016 #44
it's the candidate job to inspire the electorate and get the votes! Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #46
She got the votes. JTFrog Nov 2016 #47
Some are going to remain in denial revbones Nov 2016 #55
no doubt about it. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #61
What you see in that regard is people unable to admit they were wrong in their assumptions/vitriol revbones Nov 2016 #63
Unreal isn't it? MelissaB Nov 2016 #71
It Could Be RobinA Nov 2016 #170
Bernie handed Trump his attacks. Those were not Trump's original ideas. R B Garr Nov 2016 #79
maybe we shouldn't back such baggage filled flawed establishment candidate next time Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #84
This is the same empty rhetoric used against Al Gore. He wasn't pure R B Garr Nov 2016 #85
Yes To This RobinA Nov 2016 #173
Wow the Hillary Supporters were right. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #43
Gee, who would have predicted that nothing good would come from sowing discord and discontent? Cary Nov 2016 #48
I said it too...and was away for a while as a result. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #51
I'm there with you. Quayblue Nov 2016 #106
It was our downfall and what do those who cost us the election say now Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #133
But in the end, it wasn't Sanders. duffyduff Nov 2016 #50
Ok Cary Nov 2016 #53
It was Sanders actually. I don't say he wanted this outcome. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #60
He participated in a primary. reflection Nov 2016 #68
There was a lot more to it then that Cary Nov 2016 #73
Like what? reflection Nov 2016 #75
Ugh, the fallacy of the golden mean Cary Nov 2016 #82
My god, it had to be simplistic. And most truth is between two viewpoints. reflection Nov 2016 #86
There's never anything simple about human nature Cary Nov 2016 #91
This was a bad year with the courts at stake and a good chance to retake the Senate Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #81
He accused her of corruption many times. That is bashing. pnwmom Nov 2016 #112
Bernie should never have run. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #136
Oh for God's sake. reflection Nov 2016 #137
I can't refute that. Cary Nov 2016 #72
F&%ing bernie...hey at least he met the Pope! nt jmg257 Nov 2016 #94
It was Sanders. He drove her negatives down with constant attacks and his supporters never Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #83
The Voters Own RobinA Nov 2016 #174
Sorry...Berned railed against Hillary on trade and refused to concede in a timely fashion. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #190
I wasn't a "concern troll," so I wasn't "right." Beartracks Nov 2016 #96
Good to know. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #135
And he pre-tested the themes DT would use in the general: pnwmom Nov 2016 #111
Yes he did...and we lost the courts. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #132
It. Wasn't. Bernie. And anyone that can't honestly look at Clinton as a candidate... Raster Nov 2016 #130
It was Bernie. We would have won. And now the progressive revoution is probably dead. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #131
Stop blaming Bernie for the Clinton campaign ignoring white working class voters. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #188
Well put hueymahl Nov 2016 #183
And the Sanders supporters were right, he'd get blamed in the end... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #189
Nope. It is because these people have NO clue what went down in this election. duffyduff Nov 2016 #49
No they weren't. Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #56
Everyone was confident Hillary would win budkin Nov 2016 #57
there were a few people who called it right. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #62
The fact that some were "proven right" on a boolean proposition doesn't mean much. stevenleser Nov 2016 #102
Few knew that Comey was going to put his fist on the scale 11 days before the election, pnwmom Nov 2016 #113
Careful, your thread will get alerted for stating the truth. zonkers Nov 2016 #66
It already did Renew Deal Nov 2016 #76
Alert is often the last refuge of sheep who have run out of words. zonkers Nov 2016 #97
Which ones? The ones who voted for Stein or the ones who voted for Trump? TwilightZone Nov 2016 #99
The ones who voted for Clinton. Beartracks Nov 2016 #100
I was one of those, I got called a right wing troll and worse. redstatebluegirl Nov 2016 #101
A stopped clock is right twice a day. Concern trolls are .... trolls Lil Missy Nov 2016 #104
Concern trolls are concern trolls. Beartracks Nov 2016 #109
Do you like Roosevelt? Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #134
Don't thank me; I wasn't concerned. Beartracks Nov 2016 #138
I think Clinton did run a good campaign. raging moderate Nov 2016 #105
I do too. Despite everything arrayed against her... Beartracks Nov 2016 #122
Not playing in Wisconsin or Michigan until the end was a tactical error RonniePudding Nov 2016 #151
This announcement MFM008 Nov 2016 #108
I had a nagging feeling, but didn't express it on DU LeftInTX Nov 2016 #114
Your concern is duly noted. I'm confident we will impeach and remove Trump by Christmas Bucky Nov 2016 #116
Sounds like a new national holiday to me! Beartracks Nov 2016 #123
* In_The_Wind Nov 2016 #124
You're less than three to me, Windy Bucky Nov 2016 #125
I think we misjudged the extreme hate toward Turbineguy Nov 2016 #126
Wasn't about that marlakay Nov 2016 #165
yep heaven05 Nov 2016 #129
I am devastated right now. We are winnng the popular vote by nearly 2 million! mvd Nov 2016 #146
Thx, I agree with your spot-on post. Beartracks Nov 2016 #147
The objective of the concern trolls was to supress the Clinton vote & drive up support for Trump. baldguy Nov 2016 #148
Not all concerned were trolls. Beartracks Nov 2016 #167
The ones wishing to destroy the Democratic Party in order to "save" it are just as bad. baldguy Nov 2016 #169
Unfortunately, yes. The Democratic party had a wider problem than just DU, though. Yo_Mama Nov 2016 #149
Yes, as it turns we were all whistling past the graveyard a little bit. alarimer Nov 2016 #153
No they weren't treestar Nov 2016 #156
Not all concerned were trolls. Beartracks Nov 2016 #166
If they had been concerned about the vote in the swing states treestar Nov 2016 #171
Everybody should have been concerned instead of claiming that election was in the bag. LisaL Nov 2016 #179
We didn't expect all the polls to be total shit! (Nate Silver's lost all credibility)... dubyadiprecession Nov 2016 #159
Nate Silver doesn't personally conduct polls. LisaL Nov 2016 #164
Nate Silver doesn't conduct any polls. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #160
First of all I am happy DU is back. To be stuck in Ohio doc03 Nov 2016 #161
I had concerns as well. LisaL Nov 2016 #163
In all fairness Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2016 #175
The polls were no worse off than in 2012... Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #176
Well, exactly. There was a whole bunch of polls that were very close. LisaL Nov 2016 #180
Pretty much. :/ Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #184
I was trying to point out that polls don't win elections, and that polls are close. But it fell on LisaL Nov 2016 #185
And I was just pointing out that you were right? Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #186
I was agreeing with you also. LisaL Nov 2016 #187
I think the campaign knew things weren't looking so good doc03 Nov 2016 #193
We got played. Comey's letters had perfect timing. LisaL Nov 2016 #195
Absolutely. Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #198
I agree with that. It's clear their internals saw a shift in PA and MI. Drunken Irishman Nov 2016 #197
Election Day employs "polling places"... Beartracks Nov 2016 #194
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