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2016 Postmortem

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Wed Nov 16, 2016, 09:39 PM Nov 2016

If You FEEL IN YOUR GUT that Something STRANGE Occurred on Election Day....You may BE CORRECT! [View all]

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While we discuss among ourselves via 2016 Postmortem Analysis as to why we lost,

I'm one of those asking, did we really lose?
Was it a Coup? Is that even remotely possible?

We remember how D. Tramp accused the election system of being rigged, right?
And we remember how the Media made a big deal out of those statements of his,
and acted shocked and offended that D. Tramp would stoop so low as to say that.
They went on how he was questioning the very institution that makes us a democracy.

You must also remember how the corporate media pressed the Democrats to denounce Tramp on his "Rigged" statement,
and so they did...All the way down to Hillary Clinton and the President.

Now this was not the first time that "rigged election" had been brought up, as both D. Tramp and Sanders stated this during the primaries. However, it was the first time that the Corporate Media actually paid attention to the statement, as though it was the first time that they had heard it. This story of rigged election and the denouncement of D. Tramp lasted 3 days, an eternity in news world. What D. Tramp said at that same time that he brought rigged elections? Statements of jailing his opponent if he won, and how if an Iranian soldier looked at our Soldiers sideways, D. Tramp wouldn't hesitate to blow them out of the water, or something like that. Those statements didn't get much attention from the news media, but yet the rigged election statement got three days. Why?
Was it a set-up?
OR just something innocent that we don't need to talk about....
because at the time that the media was pressing that our Dem leaders make statements of assurances,
I was always skeptical, because I knew that we do have problems and have had problems with our election voting system.
It was all kind of surreal....but Hillary was ahead in the polls, and everyone and their mothers were saying that we were gonna win this thing, possibly in a landslide.

So I'm just gonna put all of these links and info I have gathered to date.
Note: All of these articles were written in the latter part of 2016

If you have additional information, please post it. Perhaps if we look at all of this info in its entirety, it will be helpful!
Also please vote in the poll below. Thanks!

According to the exit polls conducted by Edison Research, Clinton won four key battleground states (NC, PA, WI, and FL) in the 2016 Presidential Election that she went on to lose in the computerized vote counts. With these states Clinton wins the Electoral College with a count of 302 versus 205 for Trump. Clinton also won the national exit poll by 3.2% and holds a narrow lead in the national vote count still in progress.
Exit polls were conducted in 28 states. In 23 states the discrepancies between the exit polls and the vote count favored Trump. In 13 of these states the discrepancies favoring Trump exceeded the margin of error of the state. See Table and its footnotes below.
READ MORE http://tdmsresearch.com/2016/11/10/2016-presidential-election-table/

Math Increasingly Suggests Election Fraud Against Hillary Clinton - WATCH VIDEO


Russian hackers targeted Arizona election system

Feds believe Russians hacked Florida election-systems vendor

Cybersecurity expert: One battleground state most vulnerable to voting hacks- Pennsylvania

How to Hack an Election in 7 Minutes
With Russia already meddling in 2016, a ragtag group of obsessive tech experts is warning that stealing the ultimate prize—victory on Nov. 8—would be child’s play.


Voting machines are still too easy to hack
Worried about a 'rigged' election? You should be, but the risk lies in outdated technology and untrained bureaucrats, not voter fraud


A hackable election: 5 things you need to know about e-voting machines
E-voting machines without paper trails are still used in several U.S. states, leading to fears that a 'determined adversary' could hack this year's election


While Boris and Natasha attempt to meddle in American electoral politics, districts in key states dust off vulnerable touchscreen voting machines. The electronic voting machines' hackability—unrelated to online registration databases—begs extra vigilance against "bad actors" attempting to swing the vote.
Paranoia strikes deep wherever touchscreen devices, known as direct-recording electronic voting machines, or DREs, are still in use. It took a Princeton professor mere minutes to hack a machine, one which some Pennsylvania districts still use. If a "bad actor" wanted to swing the election, she would simply coordinate attacks on outdated digital voting machines in split districts across decisive swing states.
...three high-stakes swing states still use any unguarded DREs: Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Although Florida has replaced most of its touch screens with paper ballots, DREs without paper trails remain in use ...
A majority of Pennsylvania counties offer only touchscreen machines without audit trails, and cyber security firm Carbon Black recently declared Pennsylvania the most vulnerable.


Many U.S. voting systems still have vulnerabilities, and many states use statistically unsound election auditing practices, said Joe Kiniry, a long-time election security researcher.
"With enough money and resources, I don't think [hacking the election] is actually a technical challenge," said Kiniry, now CEO and chief scientist at Free and Fair, an election technology developer. "It’s a social, a political, and an infrastructural challenge because you'd have a medium-sized conspiracy to achieve such a goal. Technically, it’s not rocket science."

Hacker demonstrates how voting machines can be compromised

Which voting machines can be hacked through the Internet?
Over 9000 jurisdictions (counties and states) in the U.S. run elections with a variety of voting machines: optical scanners for paper ballots, and direct-recording “touchscreen” machines. Which ones of them can be hacked to make them cheat, to transfer votes from one candidate to another?
The answer: all of them.

Reposted from poster here at DU:
Curious thing about those North Carolina Numbers
North Carolina was a very closely watched state, not only for POTUS, but also for the Senate and Governor race.

Here are the vote totals

Trump 2,339,985
Clinton 2,162,962

Others 186,205

Total 4,689,152

Clinton lost by 177,023 (less than the number of total votes for others)


Burr 2,371,679
Ross 2,103,510

Other 165,180

Total 4,640,369

There are 48,783 FEWER votes cast in the Senate Race which was hard fought and close.


Cooper 2,282,052
McCrory 2,277,070

Other 101,068

Total 4,660,190

There are 28,962 FEWER votes cast in the Governor race than for POTUS which was really contentious and nasty.
McCrory is disputing the loss (Cooper is only leading by 4,982 votes) and we may be tied up in legal battles for some time. There has yet to be a request for an official recount.

OK, here's the kicker. The really weird one, in my opinion.

We had a challenge to a NC Supreme Court judge position. The incumbent, Edmunds, ran lots and lots of commercials telling everyone what a swell guy he was. Tough on porn and rapists. Tough on hardened criminals. Undoubtedly he was funded by out of state money. He was one of the guys on the NC Supremes who supported gerrymandering. The race was known to be a serious challenge to Republican control of the NC Supreme Court (and the Legislature is now talking about packing the court.)

Here are these votes

NC Supreme Court Judge

Morgan 2,134,821
Edmunds 1,786,011

Total 3,920,832

There are 768,320 FEWER votes cast in this one judge race than for POTUS. Is it really possible that so few Republicans didn't vote down ticket when this guy was running ads like crazy?

Morgan, the unidentified Dem (they didn't allow Dem/Repub identification on the ballot) who had no money for ads (I think I saw one the day before the election) wins by 348,810 votes over the guy who was running ads constantly! WTF?

And, in fact, Morgan gets only 28,141 fewer votes than Hillary, while the Republican--who was running ads all over TV for a month-- gets 553,974 votes less than Trump!


You expect to see fewer total votes down ballot (straight ticket voting was eliminated by the Republicans) just because it takes time. I wouldn't expect to see such a disparity in the Republican totals, though, when there is much less disparity among the Dems. It really makes me wonder if votes were shifted from Dems to Repubs in the top three races for POTUS, Senate, and Governor--and they made their margin of error too close in the Governor's race!

When the early returns were coming in, Hillary was ahead of Trump by about 150,000 votes from the early voting period here in NC. That's a tough lead to lose based on lots of small counties voting Republican--which they usually do--but the lines were long on election day here, too.

**Edited to add:
By November, Russian hackers could target voting machines

If you are gonna vote, please K&R - Thank you!

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Yes, I believe, with great certainty that the vote count was manipulated against us
62 (78%)
Yes maybe we were hacked, but most likely not
1 (1%)
No, we just lost,even if the voting system's integrity is not 100% sound
7 (9%)
No, we just lost, and the voting system's integrity is sound
0 (0%)
Added per request: Possible but not enough evidence or information for a conclusion
9 (11%)
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Please K&R....as I think this is very important information FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #1
Comparing 2004 and 2016: Coyotl Nov 2016 #100
Maybe it was. But it was up to Clinton and Obama to secure the vote. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #2
Each state is responsible for the voting in their state. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #24
She won the popular vote. By a margin that may reach 2 million. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #82
Her margin is now bigger than the winning margins for John Kennedy and Richard Nixon. Sunlei Nov 2016 #85
I think the election was meddled with by russia and comey. boston bean Nov 2016 #3
I think we are fucked no matter what the screens show dhol82 Nov 2016 #4
True that I was surprised how fast that was.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #9
It is a sickening prospect, but what to do? MoonRiver Nov 2016 #5
Many states did change their machines after 2000.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #8
K&R gademocrat7 Nov 2016 #6
Went aren't democrats doing anything about this? Control-Z Nov 2016 #7
There are a lot of reasons why they aren't doing anything... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #11
Seriously? cilla4progress Nov 2016 #40
This is what I'm saying cilla4progress Nov 2016 #38
No, we don't deserve it. Control-Z Nov 2016 #64
"Which institutions? Which leaders?" Obviously it would be the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #101
The whole damn thing stinks. There will be books written about it. oasis Nov 2016 #10
I do believe that it is strange on how "they" say FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #15
Add one more to the "his" story books. oasis Nov 2016 #20
Russian hackers surgically manipulated the results, making Karl Rove and Snarkoleptic Nov 2016 #12
That would not surprise me in the least ailsagirl Nov 2016 #17
Surely our 17 federal intelligence agencies ... GeorgeGist Nov 2016 #13
Perhaps.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #22
Especially the FBI pandr32 Nov 2016 #29
I have a feeling FrenchieCat was being sarcastic. I doubt it as well. C Moon Nov 2016 #51
You mean the FBI and the other agencies that helped him pnwmom Nov 2016 #69
TRUMP IS A CROOK. Somehow the election was stolen. Will we ever know the truth? trueblue2007 Nov 2016 #14
Most likely not.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #21
K & R. rzemanfl Nov 2016 #16
Yep-- that kind of garbage ailsagirl Nov 2016 #18
KNR Lucinda Nov 2016 #19
I need another option. barbtries Nov 2016 #23
Well, I'll tell you that I don't normally wear a tin foil hat.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #26
yes, yes. barbtries Nov 2016 #70
I'm one who still ... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #25
And then of course DU went down.....for an entire week! FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #27
It was to keep us from being able to coalesce pandr32 Nov 2016 #31
I certainly needed it....especially to read the analysis of the returns as it was happening FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #33
I have felt from the start the DU hack was part of a multi-prong attack on the election. What can chimpymustgo Nov 2016 #104
Yes that was my first thought too when I heard DU was hacked. Liberty Belle Nov 2016 #109
I'm 100% cilla4progress Nov 2016 #41
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan. nt BootinUp Nov 2016 #28
The real struggle, then .. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #92
I am absolutely convinced Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #30
No options for: Possible, with no further comment. or Not Enough Information. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #32
Ok....I did that FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #35
Thank you! Lil Missy Nov 2016 #39
can we not become like Freepers and Breitbart types...people who make up their own facts ericson00 Nov 2016 #34
Can we not tell other people what to do and how to think, FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #37
I hear what you're saying .... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #42
KnR, FrenchieCat Hekate Nov 2016 #36
I'll never believe anything else. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #43
I completely agree.. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #44
Why even try anymore? MontanaMama Nov 2016 #45
Soft coup--screwing with the numbers within the MOE. nt MADem Nov 2016 #46
Agree.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #49
Greg Palast has been talking about this. dflprincess Nov 2016 #47
KnR..... alittlelark Nov 2016 #48
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Nov 2016 #50
K&R radical noodle Nov 2016 #52
K&R UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #53
Thank you for this excellent post! BadGimp Nov 2016 #54
K&R lunamagica Nov 2016 #55
Merci beaucoup Ellipsis Nov 2016 #56
True or not, your research to back it up is impressive! FailureToCommunicate Nov 2016 #57
K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2016 #58
Scariest thing, for me anyway, madamesilverspurs Nov 2016 #59
Well i've been feeling that for a week and yes, my gut is pretty reliable... liberalla Nov 2016 #60
Kick PinkTiger Nov 2016 #61
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2016 #62
Greg Palast says it WAS stolen and here's how: Liberty Belle Nov 2016 #63
Thank you for the additional information! FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #65
that was my gut feeling from the get go! sherlocksistah Nov 2016 #90
K&R and bookmarked to go over later. R B Garr Nov 2016 #66
Nothing Done Bear Creek Nov 2016 #67
Something Strange? kebob Nov 2016 #68
k and r...nt Stuart G Nov 2016 #71
Excellent research, thanks!! My only tavernier Nov 2016 #72
I question this too ShakeWell Nov 2016 #103
DT knew if he cried Rigged Rigged beforehand & got Dems to denounce that, they couldn't cry the same Overseas Nov 2016 #110
Possible? LP2K12 Nov 2016 #73
The exit polls were wrong on Kerry also, and there were issues in Ohio. wisteria Nov 2016 #74
TPM showed a brexit style flip in candidate victory odds, 9:30 pm, election night. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #75
I'm the person who posted the curious NC results which FrenchieCat reposted. mnhtnbb Nov 2016 #76
Thank your for the comment that I had read in another post.... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #102
kick Stuart G Nov 2016 #77
Kick Gin Nov 2016 #78
I felt that way during the election returns get the red out Nov 2016 #79
K and R panader0 Nov 2016 #80
I always figured heaven05 Nov 2016 #81
Motive, opportunity, willingness. byronius Nov 2016 #83
what bothered me the most was the 90,000 detroit ballots where president choice was left blank. Sunlei Nov 2016 #84
I know... LP2K12 Nov 2016 #86
could have been a trend of 'protest non-vote', however the 90k number was way to high, IMO Sunlei Nov 2016 #87
K&R x1000 ShakeWell Nov 2016 #88
Look at the people Trump has with him. There is a dearth honestly and respect for fairness, Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #89
K&r Chimichurri Nov 2016 #91
K & R Raastan Nov 2016 #93
Not surprising that 3 of those 4 states have Republican governors. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #94
Other: It was the tip of the ice berg. GoCubsGo Nov 2016 #95
Okay then, was D.U hacked? nolabels Nov 2016 #96
My husband is so tired of me saying, "There's something wrong" Lindsea Nov 2016 #97
I'm with you ShakeWell Nov 2016 #106
Our PA county is a bellweather for the state. PADemD Nov 2016 #98
I had a Clinton/Kaine sign and was afraid to put it in my front yard. Fla Dem Nov 2016 #108
So what can we do about it? world wide wally Nov 2016 #99
I agree. K&R, n/t ms liberty Nov 2016 #105
Thus far an overwhelming majority believes FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #107
K&R. Sad we don't have the courage to admit the faults in our elections. Overseas Nov 2016 #111
Agreed! FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #112
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