2016 Postmortem

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89. I can't agree more with your ideas, especially 1 and 2. I live in VA too and the gun

Thu Nov 17, 2016, 09:04 AM

Nov 2016

craziness here is off the charts. There are TONS of guns all over the country, it is a battle we have already lost, and it's time to stop talking about it and let the bullets fly. Trying to control guns in any but the most superficial way is a recipe for loss at the ballot box. There will have to be a seismic change in this country's actual philosophy that organically grows from the citizens, and that ain't happening anytime soon. I know many people who STILL believe that Obama is coming for their guns in the next month or two. ( )

As for voters suffering the consequences, I have felt this way for many years. Not because I'm a vindictive old bitch, but because it is so clearly the only way many people ever learn anything. And even then they don't learn it! So, bring on the consequences.

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What lessons do YOU take from the results? [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2016 OP

Two things bigmonkey Nov 2016 #1

I too have thought that the electoral college needs to go until snappyturtle Nov 2016 #6

Would it though? Red Mountain Nov 2016 #10

If we had mail in ballots that would obviate voter intimidation dhol82 Nov 2016 #76

While my county has mail in ballots & it's such a convenience, there are arguments against it. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #104

Yes, making voting compulsory is a good idea dhol82 Nov 2016 #105

My prediction - this republican controlled government will strike fast & bold, CrispyQ Nov 2016 #106

Agree dhol82 Nov 2016 #107

Well if people think independents are "spoilers" now, DirkGently Nov 2016 #111

My issue with the EC is that is profoundly non-democratic... but there is a fix. politicat Nov 2016 #22

No, it must absolutely go! kenfrequed Nov 2016 #96

When you use tRumps insults on conservative men and women, Amimnoch Nov 2016 #2

Build Coalitions marylandblue Nov 2016 #3

(1) Never believe polls (2) Never believe your side is going to win (3) the Electoral College needs beaglelover Nov 2016 #4

the EC will never be abolished,and the only way to really fix it is to increase the number of seats Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #14

If we work on politics at the state level... tarheelsunc Nov 2016 #30

it will just end up being a Blue blob I fear, the Red states will never sign on, and the RWers Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #32

1) don't trust data and polls too much, because data is only as good as the geek tragedy Nov 2016 #5

Treat the working class as a voting block LeftInTX Nov 2016 #81

maybe we should quit catering to their feelings treestar Nov 2016 #83

Working class is not a bloc, they vote along racial lines nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #84

Hubris destroys political parties. Nt LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #7

plus one nt PassingFair Nov 2016 #98

who do we represent?? BREMPRO Nov 2016 #8

That's interesting. eom Ligyron Nov 2016 #44

Good points all around. n/t DirkGently Nov 2016 #114

Thanks. n/t BREMPRO Nov 2016 #115

I'll start with the most unpopular thought first: phylny Nov 2016 #9

I can't agree more with your ideas, especially 1 and 2. I live in VA too and the gun Nay Nov 2016 #89

Time for a changing of the guard. Scruffy1 Nov 2016 #11

John Kennedy served in the house from 1946-1952, BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #26

That position came from stunning defeats when running marybourg Nov 2016 #55

Stevenson ran against a war hero...anyone would have got creamed by "IKE". Ken Burch Nov 2016 #58

The 'new' progressives.I am a liberal, but I have seen liberals lose the presidency time and time Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #87

We're living in the wrong places; and we don't know the rest of the country frazzled Nov 2016 #12

I know what you mean when you say you've lost faith. I never had much, but now Nay Nov 2016 #93

Hillary got fewer votes than Obama got in 08.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #13

Right, crowds matter because if they are motivated enough BREMPRO Nov 2016 #15

People weren't looking for a 90s rerun either..... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2016 #24

To never trust NON-DEMOCRATS. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #16

Amen1 John Comey comes to mind. Never give any power to a Republican. They know all the SharonAnn Nov 2016 #17

This!!! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #31

Oh, a BIG vote for this. Obama sealed our fate when he filled his cabinet with Nay Nov 2016 #91

P.T. Barnum nailed it. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2016 #18

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #19

Vote like your life depends on it Generic Brad Nov 2016 #20

Introspection lovemydog Nov 2016 #21

get tough on Islamic terrorism ericson00 Nov 2016 #23

I disagree LeftInTX Nov 2016 #71

the data says otherwise ericson00 Nov 2016 #73

Ouch LeftInTX Nov 2016 #78

Framing kenfrequed Nov 2016 #113

They are tired of refugees? treestar Nov 2016 #85

polls are meaningless because people lie IcyPeas Nov 2016 #25

Electronic voting is too easy to hack. Focus on that one issue and it will get better. McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #27

Trust Nothing vdogg Nov 2016 #28

We need to run more populist candidates and give up on corporatist candidates. Lunabell Nov 2016 #29

Jesusfuck! Again with the "corporatist" and "bankster" bullshit?? Stop it already. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #37

Why should we stop? Lunabell Nov 2016 #49

Because it's stupid. And false. Paranoid and idiotic. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #59

Wow. Lunabell Nov 2016 #74

If Bernie had been the nominee, Trump would have lied about him, too, and deceived just as many. Tanuki Nov 2016 #88

Bernie was right Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #33

No he wasn't. He couldn't even defeat Hillary. NurseJackie Nov 2016 #60

Hard to win Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #63

Not to mention having the DNC as a wholly owned subsidiary... PassingFair Nov 2016 #99

Demographics are not destiny BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #34

Decisions.Are.Made.By.Those.Who.Show.Up. DinahMoeHum Nov 2016 #35

Plus () Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #40

I think what it really comes down to Else You Are Mad Nov 2016 #36

New Beginnings are sometimes disguised as Painful Endings calguy Nov 2016 #38

Racism is as American as cherry pie. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #39

That america started as a racist country and will die as one. libtodeath Nov 2016 #41

Thirdway Democrats gave us a President Trump. Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #42

Why so few rec's?? There is a lot of insightful analysis in this thread BREMPRO Nov 2016 #43

Early voting liquid diamond Nov 2016 #45

Bernie was right. Democratic pols need to seek his advice, B Calm Nov 2016 #46

Never listen to the polls. Never, ever ever lunamagica Nov 2016 #47

If they go low MyNameGoesHere Nov 2016 #48

Amen crosinski Nov 2016 #65

Fixing an election is so easy and you can also easily get away with it. We need majority rule. Coyotl Nov 2016 #50

That would also include removing the 435 seat size limit on the U.S. House... Ken Burch Nov 2016 #51

Agreed Freddie Nov 2016 #52

That's what we have now. To undo the skew you ignore state boundaries. Coyotl Nov 2016 #54

I stated that you would leave the one seat states with their single seats. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #56

To our electorate, the least qualified marybourg Nov 2016 #53

That we need to do away Super Delegates B Calm Nov 2016 #57

Indeed so Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #64

When around 50% of registered voters are now registered independent B Calm Nov 2016 #79

Now have??? my god, it has always been that way... damn boston bean Nov 2016 #86

Not really Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #92

Never underestimate the power of fear (even if it is a media or candidate creation) .... etherealtruth Nov 2016 #61

lessons learned 0rganism Nov 2016 #62

all good points Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #77

Free press all day long and not being called on your shit is doable - if you're a rich man. bettyellen Nov 2016 #66

Bernie would have been just as antibigotry as Hillary in the fall. He always had been. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #67

I liked him a lot, but not his campaign which I though as 2/3 of Dems did was weak an initially bettyellen Nov 2016 #68

Excuse me, but none of us dislike people for working hard or following social conventions. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #69

I'm referring to the rust belt Trump voters- just read and article that summarized their attitudes bettyellen Nov 2016 #70

Thank you for clarifying that. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #72

Still haven't found the article - but that part was the only bit that seemed new or interesting.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #109

I refer to them as the "Scots-Irish nobody gonna tell me what to do" contingent. They Nay Nov 2016 #94

That it's even more important than ever to stop Brexit... LeftishBrit Nov 2016 #75

Free stuff metroins Nov 2016 #80

The Electoral College is bullshit and should be repealed treestar Nov 2016 #82

Don't underestimate anger. Don't underestimate hate. Don't underestimate fear, jmg257 Nov 2016 #90

Losing sucks! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #95

That sexism is alive and well in 2016. hamsterjill Nov 2016 #97

That the electoral college is antiquated fuckery and needs to be reformed. n/t cynatnite Nov 2016 #100

My main take, aside from logosoco Nov 2016 #101

1) It should have been Bernie 2)Thanks DNC masmdu Nov 2016 #102

never underestimate the racism of americans mainer Nov 2016 #103

That the media has way to much fucking power & their agenda is profit based. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #108

Neoliberalism is dead. DirkGently Nov 2016 #110

that insulting people and calling them names is not an effective way to get them to vote for you? Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #112

1/2 of the country are racist, sexist assholes. They are horrible. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #116