2016 Postmortem

Warren DeMontague

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62. I do think voter suppression was a factor.

Fri Nov 18, 2016, 04:34 AM

Nov 2016

As to your question, it seems there were 732,635 write-in votes cast nationally. Nationally, as in all 50 states total.

My guess is most of them were cast either for Harambe or Deez Nuts, but since official tallies are hard to come by, we may never know.

For the rest of it, I think trying to blame this loss on "berniebros" is ridiculous. Period. Full Stop. Predictable, though.

People want to do it, hey, who am I to tell anyone what to expend their energy on. Knock your bad selves out.

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Clinton Strategist Karen Finney Blames Election Loss on Sexism from Bernie Bros [View all] Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 OP

I don't know if that actually played any part in losing the election radical noodle Nov 2016 #1

Disengagement of Indy/Rep/Bernie support during primary, V.P selection & co-opting. But, whatever. TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #97

Most DUers OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #109

That is bullshit. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #2

Bullying is Not Bullshit otohara Nov 2016 #6

Not in the voting booth! Bullshit! Stolen maybe, but not bullied on the vote. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #9

Bet you had no problem with caucuses otohara Nov 2016 #13

Exactly. The caucuses were the ultimate exercise in peer pressure, pnwmom Nov 2016 #17

It still blows my mind how they continue to yell stolen otohara Nov 2016 #19

And they were so paranoid pnwmom Nov 2016 #28

The Primary wasn't stolen. Hillary won it. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #34

How do we know? What about the supporters pnwmom Nov 2016 #53

They didn't cause her to lose a whole ton of rural rust belt counties that Obama carried in '12. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #56

She lost by very small margins, and with depressed turnout due to voter suppression. pnwmom Nov 2016 #58

I do think voter suppression was a factor. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #62

she lost those states because the campaign treated them like safe blue states when they should have JI7 Nov 2016 #69

How do you know she lost PA fairly? They have a type of voting machine pnwmom Nov 2016 #78

i don't think she lost fairly but that was mostly due to comey, media and other crap. but i'm JI7 Nov 2016 #79

Hillary couldn't be in all swing states at the same time, and just 11 days pnwmom Nov 2016 #80

i'm not blaming her for that. i'm referring to regular GOTV efforts . and people in michigan JI7 Nov 2016 #82

Clinton loses 32 IOWA counties to Trump won by Obama in 2012 Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #112

Best point of this thread. Thanks, Warren DeMontague. The Wielding Truth Nov 2016 #155

bingo Champion Jack Nov 2016 #159

Proof that it is not bullshit pnwmom Nov 2016 #15

Mostly harassed by Trump voters. redwitch Nov 2016 #86

That group was the only thing that has helped me keep it together. JTFrog Nov 2016 #98

Wish I'd Known About This otohara Nov 2016 #105

race was more a thing than sexism JI7 Nov 2016 #3

The Racist Side of Bernie Sanders Supporters Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #8

I have never been a racist JonLP24 Nov 2016 #114

so you are calling the reporter and thousands of others Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #122

Some were. Here they stalked AA posters relentlessly ... bettyellen Nov 2016 #138

Race was more of a thing, for those that voted for trump, concern about the "browning of America" still_one Nov 2016 #21

Yes, why hack election machines when you can hack the election *process*? Beartracks Nov 2016 #38

Women can be just as sexist as men. athena Nov 2016 #94

A good article about that in History of Feminism right now. JTFrog Nov 2016 #99

are white women more sexist than non white women AND JI7 Nov 2016 #100

You're mixing up sexism and racism. athena Nov 2016 #107

that's my point. race plays a huge part in voting JI7 Nov 2016 #110

They are more easily co-opted into a patriarchal worldview, particularly when they are bettyellen Nov 2016 #139

Intimidated Into Silence otohara Nov 2016 #4

This is EXACTLY why so many of them refused to vote for our candidate when it came down to it. onecaliberal Nov 2016 #5

At a minimum that could be called a stretch. ... spin Nov 2016 #7

A stretch. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #10

I will totally agree that it's long past time for our first woman President. ... spin Nov 2016 #22

Bernie and Trump offered no change. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #12

I have been living in an alternate universe the last 8 years phallon Nov 2016 #14

what exactly do you mean? sheshe2 Nov 2016 #16

Trump will be the 45th President but the 44th President was not ... spin Nov 2016 #30

He could not. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #40

I agree that was a significant factor however ... spin Nov 2016 #50

your take makes me laugh my ass off. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #76

I know gun owners and the fact that gun control was not a significant factor ... spin Nov 2016 #85

"They ain't Christians. They are pathetic hypocrites." Yep - its laughable a lot are 1 issue voters. jmg257 Nov 2016 #104

from mediaite... tenderfoot Nov 2016 #11

it about a CNN interview, so bee ess back at you Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #18

Finney nailed it. nt SunSeeker Nov 2016 #20

Alot of fingerpointing, so little introspection. Everyone, prepare to get drubbed in 2018 Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #23

2018 (unless Trump implodes in fantastic way) is shaping up as a Senate bloodbath Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #24

The fingerpointing circular firing squad going on with the Democrats isn't fucking helping our Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #25

I think everyone is still in a daze of anger still, and shock Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #26

Agree. (nt) PotatoChip Nov 2016 #130

An astonishing lack of introspection. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #116

Yup n/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2016 #152

It couldn't possibly have had anything to do with Hillary-the most beloved politician in the US, jalan48 Nov 2016 #27

Berniebros forced young Hillary supporting women to set their facebook groups to private Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #32

And, don't forget, the Bernie Bros forced young women to think about dates instead of politics. jalan48 Nov 2016 #35

Remember when Bernie went to the NY Times and Insulted Millennial Women? Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #36

You're on a roll. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #119

... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #118

Too intimidated to vote because of some assholes on Facebook. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #117

If it was only in Facebook, you'd have a point. This was at caucus sites and parties, bettyellen Nov 2016 #141

Say that's true, what prevented these women from voting on election day? SMC22307 Nov 2016 #148

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #89

well, who could have seen that narrative spin coming. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #29

I'm a year older than Hillary and I never could have endured a presidential ... spin Nov 2016 #31

I think trying to blame this on "berniebros" is beyond fucking ridiculous. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #33

I could be wrong but in my opinion this was a change election. ... spin Nov 2016 #39

I agree. And I think there was a combination of messaging and tactical errors by her campaign Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #42

There is no doubt that Comey did no favors for Hillary in the end. ... spin Nov 2016 #52

he knew exactly what he was doing, he had to. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #54

That does seem logical to me. ... spin Nov 2016 #71

Kellyanne, what if there is nothing there, what if there is no indictment? Raster Nov 2016 #115

Ding! Ding! Ding! TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2016 #129

I reckon Karen Finney should keep her opinion to herself. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #41

yeah, someone who is calling bullshit on a patently ridiculous narrative. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #44

No Hillary bashing? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #49

except there is actual objective evidence that gels with this explanation. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #51

Are you talking about the primary or the general? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #65

I suppose it could have, particularly if one buys the line that Sanders support was motivated by Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author spin Nov 2016 #37

It isn't spin. Remember what happened to Barbara Boxer in Nevada? ucrdem Nov 2016 #46

And yet Hillary won Nevada. I'm pretty sure she won California, too. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #47

She won CA but it was a fight and shouldn't have been ucrdem Nov 2016 #55

Bill Clinton was apparently telling the campaign to focus on the rust belt, & they didn't listen. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #57

You're quoting something else. Please rephrase your question okay? ucrdem Nov 2016 #59

You claimed she was forced by berniebros to expend energy for the GE in California. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #64

Look I live here. I saw the effects of that disgusting melee in Nevada. It hurt the campaign. ucrdem Nov 2016 #68

She put some effort into CA during the primary Retrograde Nov 2016 #144

Nevada was always going to be in play. it leans blue but like wisconsin can easily go the other way JI7 Nov 2016 #66

Possibly but my point is that Boxer didn't help in CA because she got trashed in Nevada. ucrdem Nov 2016 #73

Jerry Brown didn't campaign for himself either , she had california because of the hispanic vote JI7 Nov 2016 #74

She should have had CA, but the support she'd been getting from Boxer and others including Brown ucrdem Nov 2016 #75

you are probably thinking of fundraisers. JI7 Nov 2016 #77

By surrogate support I mean media availability and campaign events. ucrdem Nov 2016 #84

That was part of the reason I picked Nevada's senate race to help.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #90

Disgraceful & Disrespectful otohara Nov 2016 #106

There were a lot of problems with the NV convention. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #132

lol, I know right? She is either 100% delusional, or deliberately misleading people. closeupready Nov 2016 #96

Sexism was a part of the equation, but not by and large from the real Bernie supporters. herding cats Nov 2016 #43

Amen!! Duppers Nov 2016 #61

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #45

Seems like pretty ancient history by now. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #48

A reminder to not forget implementing the "Sanders Rule" before the next election? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #60

Sounds like a good way to keep the party from expanding. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #67

OJFC! Duppers Nov 2016 #63

This silly shit again? Chakab Nov 2016 #70

Am I reading this data correctly to say.. aidbo Nov 2016 #91

No, you're not. Additionally, the mud slung at the Clinton campaign by Sanders, which was all Chakab Nov 2016 #92

Sexists living in Pennsylvania Ohio Michigan and Wisconsin. And Liz Warren? lostnfound Nov 2016 #81

REC.But the title is wrong. She said partly a factor. riversedge Nov 2016 #83

In other words Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #87

My goodness BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #88

So it's back to bashing Bernie? Guess you have to blame someone. left-of-center2012 Nov 2016 #93

She is right about the addle brained male dudes on the so-called left, BUT duffyduff Nov 2016 #95

also covertly racist heaven05 Nov 2016 #101

One of several factors that tipped the scale, the Bernie Bros were definately a factor. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #102

Kinney should've listed the "Comey Factor" as being the number one cause oasis Nov 2016 #103

Guess that means she's off the hook. OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #108

It was up to HILLARY CLINTON to make up the difference. She failed. Her team failed. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #111

Nice Try otohara Nov 2016 #113

If they were that "clever" it was up to her and her team to counter that. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #126

ONLINE assholes prevented women from getting their asses to the polls? SMC22307 Nov 2016 #120

Not just online: ucrdem Nov 2016 #121

I bet every one of those women voted. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #134

I hope so. But the point is that the intimidation was real ucrdem Nov 2016 #136

You're seriously trying to convince us that Brooklyn-born, bird-flipping Barbara Boxer... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #140

You don't think there was a target on her- and she declined because of concern there'd be more ugly bettyellen Nov 2016 #142

Boxer, a woman with an NRA "F" rating was *concerned* about.... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #147

After Nevada Boxer basically retired from the campaign. ucrdem Nov 2016 #143

So rather than campaign for Hillary, she chose to promote her latest book?! SMC22307 Nov 2016 #146

Can you blame her? ucrdem Nov 2016 #149

OK, so it wasn't *BernieBros*, but age, a newly released book... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #150

You do realize that her life was threatened in Nevada? ucrdem Nov 2016 #151

Blowing kisses, flipping the bird, and confidently walking off stage? SMC22307 Nov 2016 #156

Boxer: "It was frightening. I was on the stage and people were six feet away from me. ucrdem Nov 2016 #158

I like Ms. Finney a lot. But she's wrong here. rec, nT. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #123

So women are so weak and easily led in their eagerness to lick the feet of their boyfriends Ligyron Nov 2016 #124

Bernie would have been pulp after the first week. Don't delude yourself. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #127

Given the outcome, athena Nov 2016 #160

Oh good grief nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #125

Not surprising that a HRC strategist blames others and not herself. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #128

Too bad, she is right. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #131

Exactly. And who's the putz who gave us "basket of deplorables"? SMC22307 Nov 2016 #135

I felt Hillary was a weak candidate, too much latent resentment of the Clintons. Not Misogyny Denis 11 Nov 2016 #133

OMG-enough already with the lame excuses. jalan48 Nov 2016 #137

Clearly sexism is the main factor BootinUp Nov 2016 #145

Iraqi women managed to vote... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #153

Stop the presses! HassleCat Nov 2016 #154

And there it is. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #157