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bigmonkey

(1,798 posts)
37. She wanted to "preserve confidence in the system".
Fri Nov 18, 2016, 05:58 PM
Nov 2016

My quotes, I'm not quoting her. I've been thinking about this at least since 2004. It first became an issue for me when I saw Bev Harris, who later became crackpotty, demonstrate to Howard Dean how easy it was at that time to alter election results. Nothing came of it, and he's no dummy, and was in charge of the DNC then. Her later crackpot status doesn't obviate the validity of that demonstration.

Since then, the question is, how come the Democrats never bring this up at a high level? My conclusion is that they think that undermining citizen confidence in the system is worse than losing elections. Perhaps they decided to work inconspicuously to improve the situation (they have, somewhat), and lately were hoping that this most recent election was so clearly Clinton's that they could blow by the problem and correct it with a Democratic congress, without letting on how corrupt the election process had been.

About ten years ago I did some research on Smedley Butler, and his investigated, substantiated testimony to Congress that a fascist group had tried to recruit him for a takeover of the U.S. government during FDR's tenure. Even though those hearings definitely took place, and were reported in the papers, the actual Congressional testimony is very difficult of access - minimal, practically suppressed. My take-away from that experience is that when actual subversion is discovered in the U.S., the un-discussed, customary pattern in official circles is to cover it up as much as possible, to (my quotes again) "preserve confidence in the system". This pattern might be repeating itself right now.

Retro-fitting that to the Smedley Butler case, I like to imagine that Roosevelt called a meeting with J.P.Morgan and his co-conspirators, and gave them a choice: support the New Deal, or hang. No need to confront them in public.

I'm like you cilla4progress Nov 2016 #1
Question cilla4progress Nov 2016 #2
Senate race states have a higher red shift. Battleground states have a higher red shift too. Coyotl Nov 2016 #39
Exit polls: 2016 compared to 2004 Coyotl Nov 2016 #58
I'm sorry but I can't take anything Bill Palmer says seriously. geomon666 Nov 2016 #3
Why! Because he supported Hillary too much FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #9
He talks about the African American vote as if it's the same. It isn't. It's the first vote KittyWampus Nov 2016 #41
I feel that way about Greenwald now. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #18
If nothing else he says is accurate LibraLiz1973 Nov 2016 #4
Pa was less of a shock for me lake loon Nov 2016 #5
I am originally from Delaware County (Phila burbs) LibraLiz1973 Nov 2016 #6
and the Philly machine semi collapsed. PoC turned out less Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #7
I do feel like a lot of people lied and were ashamed to tell people they supported Trump Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #24
I'm in Montco PRETZEL Nov 2016 #29
They use a type of machine in PA that can't be audited -- no paper trail. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #13
Exactly. The Wielding Truth Nov 2016 #14
How is this not seen as totally unacceptable by every citizen? Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #52
Same here. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #51
I don't ordinarily get into conspiracy theories, but, in light of the hacking that we know occurred Arkansas Granny Nov 2016 #8
Me neither... FrenchieCat Nov 2016 #10
so it occurred to me that all you would have to do jimlup Nov 2016 #11
Not sure about this if you look at the results. Hillary won the two biggest counties by about the... Bonn1997 Nov 2016 #15
I looked briefly jimlup Nov 2016 #27
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so you agree that it was hacked. I see you joined just prior to the election. KewlKat Nov 2016 #17
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Пожалуйста, объясните, пожалуйст phylny Nov 2016 #19
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I couldn't agree more with the conclusion! Now what can we do about it? KewlKat Nov 2016 #16
Some of those claims are questionable. Bonn1997 Nov 2016 #23
Old: Clumsy Rove-era election fraud New:Sophisticated and subtle Russian hacking Snarkoleptic Nov 2016 #22
I got this vid link from bradblog, snark. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author bigmonkey Nov 2016 #30
Speaking of "main in the middle" attacks. Snarkoleptic Nov 2016 #40
I remember that info about the SMARTech - GovTech operation, and Connell's 'accident'. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #42
But Hillary had e-mail...or something...wait...look over here! Snarkoleptic Nov 2016 #43
Why manipulate the sheeple when you can manipulate the machines Mc Mike Nov 2016 #55
I thought Bev Harris turned out to be a crackpot. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #28
Being a crackpot does not equal being wrong about everything. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #32
Point well taken Lil Missy Nov 2016 #35
Nonsense ramapo Nov 2016 #26
Conspiracy theory is a dismissive term, and unworthy of the gravity of the situation. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #31
No, math is more factual than our opinions... compounded voter suppression sense 2006 uponit7771 Nov 2016 #34
1, "It is statistically suspicious that in every state...... he won it by right around one percent" uponit7771 Nov 2016 #33
So why did Hillary concede the race? closeupready Nov 2016 #36
She wanted to "preserve confidence in the system". bigmonkey Nov 2016 #37
Interesting theory, I appreciate it. You've reminded me that closeupready Nov 2016 #38
Thank you for this info Hekate Nov 2016 #45
Interesting.. thanks. mountain grammy Nov 2016 #47
Alternatively to your 'preserving confidence' idea Mc Mike Nov 2016 #57
Kick and Rec Hekate Nov 2016 #44
Why are we so fucking stupid to just sit back and take this? lonestarnot Nov 2016 #46
Republicans do this, I'm sure of it mountain grammy Nov 2016 #48
This article is pure nonsense. BzaDem Nov 2016 #49
greg palast interview from truth dig tomp Nov 2016 #50
It has been obvious from the get go.. pbmus Nov 2016 #53
I got that feeling when I was watching the election from 538. C Moon Nov 2016 #54
Rove taught all how to rig an election heaven05 Nov 2016 #56
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