2016 Postmortem

ucrdem

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151. You do realize that her life was threatened in Nevada?

Reply to SMC22307 (Reply #150)

Sat Nov 19, 2016, 05:25 PM

Nov 2016

So she found better things to do, yes.

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Clinton Strategist Karen Finney Blames Election Loss on Sexism from Bernie Bros [View all] Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 OP

I don't know if that actually played any part in losing the election radical noodle Nov 2016 #1

Disengagement of Indy/Rep/Bernie support during primary, V.P selection & co-opting. But, whatever. TheBlackAdder Nov 2016 #97

Most DUers OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #109

That is bullshit. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #2

Bullying is Not Bullshit otohara Nov 2016 #6

Not in the voting booth! Bullshit! Stolen maybe, but not bullied on the vote. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #9

Bet you had no problem with caucuses otohara Nov 2016 #13

Exactly. The caucuses were the ultimate exercise in peer pressure, pnwmom Nov 2016 #17

It still blows my mind how they continue to yell stolen otohara Nov 2016 #19

And they were so paranoid pnwmom Nov 2016 #28

The Primary wasn't stolen. Hillary won it. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #34

How do we know? What about the supporters pnwmom Nov 2016 #53

They didn't cause her to lose a whole ton of rural rust belt counties that Obama carried in '12. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #56

She lost by very small margins, and with depressed turnout due to voter suppression. pnwmom Nov 2016 #58

I do think voter suppression was a factor. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #62

she lost those states because the campaign treated them like safe blue states when they should have JI7 Nov 2016 #69

How do you know she lost PA fairly? They have a type of voting machine pnwmom Nov 2016 #78

i don't think she lost fairly but that was mostly due to comey, media and other crap. but i'm JI7 Nov 2016 #79

Hillary couldn't be in all swing states at the same time, and just 11 days pnwmom Nov 2016 #80

i'm not blaming her for that. i'm referring to regular GOTV efforts . and people in michigan JI7 Nov 2016 #82

Clinton loses 32 IOWA counties to Trump won by Obama in 2012 Omaha Steve Nov 2016 #112

Best point of this thread. Thanks, Warren DeMontague. The Wielding Truth Nov 2016 #155

bingo Champion Jack Nov 2016 #159

Proof that it is not bullshit pnwmom Nov 2016 #15

Mostly harassed by Trump voters. redwitch Nov 2016 #86

That group was the only thing that has helped me keep it together. JTFrog Nov 2016 #98

Wish I'd Known About This otohara Nov 2016 #105

race was more a thing than sexism JI7 Nov 2016 #3

The Racist Side of Bernie Sanders Supporters Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #8

I have never been a racist JonLP24 Nov 2016 #114

so you are calling the reporter and thousands of others Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #122

Some were. Here they stalked AA posters relentlessly ... bettyellen Nov 2016 #138

Race was more of a thing, for those that voted for trump, concern about the "browning of America" still_one Nov 2016 #21

Yes, why hack election machines when you can hack the election *process*? Beartracks Nov 2016 #38

Women can be just as sexist as men. athena Nov 2016 #94

A good article about that in History of Feminism right now. JTFrog Nov 2016 #99

are white women more sexist than non white women AND JI7 Nov 2016 #100

You're mixing up sexism and racism. athena Nov 2016 #107

that's my point. race plays a huge part in voting JI7 Nov 2016 #110

They are more easily co-opted into a patriarchal worldview, particularly when they are bettyellen Nov 2016 #139

Intimidated Into Silence otohara Nov 2016 #4

This is EXACTLY why so many of them refused to vote for our candidate when it came down to it. onecaliberal Nov 2016 #5

At a minimum that could be called a stretch. ... spin Nov 2016 #7

A stretch. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #10

I will totally agree that it's long past time for our first woman President. ... spin Nov 2016 #22

Bernie and Trump offered no change. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #12

I have been living in an alternate universe the last 8 years phallon Nov 2016 #14

what exactly do you mean? sheshe2 Nov 2016 #16

Trump will be the 45th President but the 44th President was not ... spin Nov 2016 #30

He could not. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #40

I agree that was a significant factor however ... spin Nov 2016 #50

your take makes me laugh my ass off. sheshe2 Nov 2016 #76

I know gun owners and the fact that gun control was not a significant factor ... spin Nov 2016 #85

"They ain't Christians. They are pathetic hypocrites." Yep - its laughable a lot are 1 issue voters. jmg257 Nov 2016 #104

from mediaite... tenderfoot Nov 2016 #11

it about a CNN interview, so bee ess back at you Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #18

Finney nailed it. nt SunSeeker Nov 2016 #20

Alot of fingerpointing, so little introspection. Everyone, prepare to get drubbed in 2018 Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #23

2018 (unless Trump implodes in fantastic way) is shaping up as a Senate bloodbath Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #24

The fingerpointing circular firing squad going on with the Democrats isn't fucking helping our Feeling the Bern Nov 2016 #25

I think everyone is still in a daze of anger still, and shock Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #26

Agree. (nt) PotatoChip Nov 2016 #130

An astonishing lack of introspection. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #116

Yup n/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2016 #152

It couldn't possibly have had anything to do with Hillary-the most beloved politician in the US, jalan48 Nov 2016 #27

Berniebros forced young Hillary supporting women to set their facebook groups to private Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #32

And, don't forget, the Bernie Bros forced young women to think about dates instead of politics. jalan48 Nov 2016 #35

Remember when Bernie went to the NY Times and Insulted Millennial Women? Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #36

You're on a roll. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #119

... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #118

Too intimidated to vote because of some assholes on Facebook. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #117

If it was only in Facebook, you'd have a point. This was at caucus sites and parties, bettyellen Nov 2016 #141

Say that's true, what prevented these women from voting on election day? SMC22307 Nov 2016 #148

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #89

well, who could have seen that narrative spin coming. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #29

I'm a year older than Hillary and I never could have endured a presidential ... spin Nov 2016 #31

I think trying to blame this on "berniebros" is beyond fucking ridiculous. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #33

I could be wrong but in my opinion this was a change election. ... spin Nov 2016 #39

I agree. And I think there was a combination of messaging and tactical errors by her campaign Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #42

There is no doubt that Comey did no favors for Hillary in the end. ... spin Nov 2016 #52

he knew exactly what he was doing, he had to. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #54

That does seem logical to me. ... spin Nov 2016 #71

Kellyanne, what if there is nothing there, what if there is no indictment? Raster Nov 2016 #115

Ding! Ding! Ding! TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2016 #129

I reckon Karen Finney should keep her opinion to herself. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #41

yeah, someone who is calling bullshit on a patently ridiculous narrative. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #44

No Hillary bashing? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #49

except there is actual objective evidence that gels with this explanation. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #51

Are you talking about the primary or the general? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #65

I suppose it could have, particularly if one buys the line that Sanders support was motivated by Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author spin Nov 2016 #37

It isn't spin. Remember what happened to Barbara Boxer in Nevada? ucrdem Nov 2016 #46

And yet Hillary won Nevada. I'm pretty sure she won California, too. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #47

She won CA but it was a fight and shouldn't have been ucrdem Nov 2016 #55

Bill Clinton was apparently telling the campaign to focus on the rust belt, & they didn't listen. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #57

You're quoting something else. Please rephrase your question okay? ucrdem Nov 2016 #59

You claimed she was forced by berniebros to expend energy for the GE in California. Warren DeMontague Nov 2016 #64

Look I live here. I saw the effects of that disgusting melee in Nevada. It hurt the campaign. ucrdem Nov 2016 #68

She put some effort into CA during the primary Retrograde Nov 2016 #144

Nevada was always going to be in play. it leans blue but like wisconsin can easily go the other way JI7 Nov 2016 #66

Possibly but my point is that Boxer didn't help in CA because she got trashed in Nevada. ucrdem Nov 2016 #73

Jerry Brown didn't campaign for himself either , she had california because of the hispanic vote JI7 Nov 2016 #74

She should have had CA, but the support she'd been getting from Boxer and others including Brown ucrdem Nov 2016 #75

you are probably thinking of fundraisers. JI7 Nov 2016 #77

By surrogate support I mean media availability and campaign events. ucrdem Nov 2016 #84

That was part of the reason I picked Nevada's senate race to help.... bettyellen Nov 2016 #90

Disgraceful & Disrespectful otohara Nov 2016 #106

There were a lot of problems with the NV convention. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #132

lol, I know right? She is either 100% delusional, or deliberately misleading people. closeupready Nov 2016 #96

Sexism was a part of the equation, but not by and large from the real Bernie supporters. herding cats Nov 2016 #43

Amen!! Duppers Nov 2016 #61

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #45

Seems like pretty ancient history by now. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #48

A reminder to not forget implementing the "Sanders Rule" before the next election? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #60

Sounds like a good way to keep the party from expanding. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #67

OJFC! Duppers Nov 2016 #63

This silly shit again? Chakab Nov 2016 #70

Am I reading this data correctly to say.. aidbo Nov 2016 #91

No, you're not. Additionally, the mud slung at the Clinton campaign by Sanders, which was all Chakab Nov 2016 #92

Sexists living in Pennsylvania Ohio Michigan and Wisconsin. And Liz Warren? lostnfound Nov 2016 #81

REC.But the title is wrong. She said partly a factor. riversedge Nov 2016 #83

In other words Cobalt Violet Nov 2016 #87

My goodness BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #88

So it's back to bashing Bernie? Guess you have to blame someone. left-of-center2012 Nov 2016 #93

She is right about the addle brained male dudes on the so-called left, BUT duffyduff Nov 2016 #95

also covertly racist heaven05 Nov 2016 #101

One of several factors that tipped the scale, the Bernie Bros were definately a factor. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #102

Kinney should've listed the "Comey Factor" as being the number one cause oasis Nov 2016 #103

Guess that means she's off the hook. OrwellwasRight Nov 2016 #108

It was up to HILLARY CLINTON to make up the difference. She failed. Her team failed. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #111

Nice Try otohara Nov 2016 #113

If they were that "clever" it was up to her and her team to counter that. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #126

ONLINE assholes prevented women from getting their asses to the polls? SMC22307 Nov 2016 #120

Not just online: ucrdem Nov 2016 #121

I bet every one of those women voted. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #134

I hope so. But the point is that the intimidation was real ucrdem Nov 2016 #136

You're seriously trying to convince us that Brooklyn-born, bird-flipping Barbara Boxer... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #140

You don't think there was a target on her- and she declined because of concern there'd be more ugly bettyellen Nov 2016 #142

Boxer, a woman with an NRA "F" rating was *concerned* about.... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #147

After Nevada Boxer basically retired from the campaign. ucrdem Nov 2016 #143

So rather than campaign for Hillary, she chose to promote her latest book?! SMC22307 Nov 2016 #146

Can you blame her? ucrdem Nov 2016 #149

OK, so it wasn't *BernieBros*, but age, a newly released book... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #150

You do realize that her life was threatened in Nevada? ucrdem Nov 2016 #151

Blowing kisses, flipping the bird, and confidently walking off stage? SMC22307 Nov 2016 #156

Boxer: "It was frightening. I was on the stage and people were six feet away from me. ucrdem Nov 2016 #158

I like Ms. Finney a lot. But she's wrong here. rec, nT. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #123

So women are so weak and easily led in their eagerness to lick the feet of their boyfriends Ligyron Nov 2016 #124

Bernie would have been pulp after the first week. Don't delude yourself. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #127

Given the outcome, athena Nov 2016 #160

Oh good grief nt geek tragedy Nov 2016 #125

Not surprising that a HRC strategist blames others and not herself. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #128

Too bad, she is right. nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #131

Exactly. And who's the putz who gave us "basket of deplorables"? SMC22307 Nov 2016 #135

I felt Hillary was a weak candidate, too much latent resentment of the Clintons. Not Misogyny Denis 11 Nov 2016 #133

OMG-enough already with the lame excuses. jalan48 Nov 2016 #137

Clearly sexism is the main factor BootinUp Nov 2016 #145

Iraqi women managed to vote... SMC22307 Nov 2016 #153

Stop the presses! HassleCat Nov 2016 #154

And there it is. SMC22307 Nov 2016 #157