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JHan

(10,173 posts)
46. yeah right..
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:02 PM
Nov 2016

Please Read:

http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

"The first big criticism this year was that the DNC had sponsored “only” six debates between Clinton and Bernie Sanders in some sort of conspiracy to impede the Vermont senator. This rage was built on ignorance: The DNC at first announced it would sponsor six debates in 2016, just as it had in 2008 and 2004. (In 2012, Barack Obama was running for re-election. Plus, while the DNC announced it would sponsor six debates in 2008, only five took place.) Debates cost money, and the more spent on debates, the less available for the nominee in the general election. Plus, there is a reasonable belief among political experts that allowing the nominees to tear each other down over and over undermines their chances in the general election, which is exactly what happened with the Republicans in 2012.

Still, in the face of rage by Sanders supporters, the number of DNC-sponsored debates went up to nine—more than have been held in almost 30 years. Plans for a 10th one, scheduled for May 24, were abandoned after it became mathematically impossible for Sanders to win the nomination.

Notice that these were only DNC-sponsored debates. There were also 13 forums, sponsored by other organizations. So that’s 22 debates and forums, of which 14 were only for two candidates, Clinton and Sanders. Compare that with 2008: there were 17 debates and forums with between six and eight candidates; only six with two candidates, less than half the number in 2016. This was a big deal why?

The next conspiracy theory embraced by Bernie-or-Busters was that the DNC-sponsored debates were all held on nights no one would watch. Two took place on a Saturday, two on Sunday, three on a Thursday, one on a Tuesday and one on a Wednesday. In 2008, the DNC scheduled two on a Monday (one was canceled), and one each on a Sunday, Wednesday, Tuesday and Thursday. Not including any of the 2016 forums, there were 72 million viewers for the DNC-sponsored debates, almost the same amount—75 million viewers—as there were for every debate in 2008, including those sponsored by other organizations. And those Saturday debates, which Sanders fans howled no one would watch, were the third- and fifth-most watched debates (one of them was 3 percent away from being the fourth-most watched).In other words, the argument that the DNC rigged the debates is, by any rational analysis, garbage. For those who still believe it, hats made of tin foil are available on Amazon.Next, the infamous hack of DNC emails that “proved” the organization had its thumb on the scale for Clinton. Perhaps nothing has been more frustrating for people in the politics business to address, because the conspiracy is based on ignorance."

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Who did you vote for? DURHAM D Nov 2016 #1
Clinton B2G Nov 2016 #2
Boom Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #80
Don't worry. Jill Stein will find the tens of thousands of votes necessary EL34x4 Nov 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #53
That covers the causes we can politely discuss. ucrdem Nov 2016 #4
Then what's even the point of this forum? B2G Nov 2016 #6
What are the mistakes? LisaL Nov 2016 #7
Well some won't like them at all B2G Nov 2016 #10
That sums it up nicely whitefordmd Nov 2016 #22
"Complete bias by the DNC in the primaries, which alienated huge numbers of Sanders supporters." mia Nov 2016 #26
We should start by renaming it the "Whatever National Committee." yallerdawg Nov 2016 #35
The DNC will support lifelong repigs who fought the Democratic Party tooth and nail up until.. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #55
He just won't ever be... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #69
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Very true Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #82
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And many here are shocked Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #102
I hope the DNC gained some insight, maybe, but I doubt it. And now we are stuck with this RKP5637 Nov 2016 #106
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What did the polls show in the swing states? B2G Nov 2016 #54
Good answers here... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #71
I would also add that for all the talk of race LittleBlue Nov 2016 #75
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This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #81
The mistakes are numerous. Exilednight Nov 2016 #109
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It seems SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #8
What is the deep dive? LisaL Nov 2016 #9
Nothing is stopping people from posting mistakes SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #11
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Trump set a trap claiming election is rigged against him. LisaL Nov 2016 #15
You obviously didn't get the memo SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #16
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Hacking emails SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #17
Different isn't the same as impossible, is it? LisaL Nov 2016 #19
Nope not impossible SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #21
What evidence would be there and who would be able to uncover such evidence? LisaL Nov 2016 #25
To me personally SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #41
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Podesta's gmail password Nevernose Nov 2016 #42
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Link to the phishing email story SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #67
So who is arguing that? JHan Nov 2016 #12
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Correct.. JHan Nov 2016 #23
#2 is especially critical, IMO SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #24
Yup. JHan Nov 2016 #43
The DNC rigged the primary against other Democrats too. O'Malley called out the short debate think Nov 2016 #36
yeah right.. JHan Nov 2016 #46
The DNC made a new rule banning non DNC debates. Eichenwlad selectively chooses to omit think Nov 2016 #51
You Know What Else Is Shitty? otohara Nov 2016 #85
That comment was made in response to Obama's openness to cutting social security & other think Nov 2016 #86
Those pesky facts Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #103
Who cheated whom? JHan Nov 2016 #112
First of all, that was in repsonse to Obama discussing cuts to Social Security. white_wolf Nov 2016 #96
"for a year weekly on the airwaves" ?? Well, THAT never happened. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #97
It's Why I Stopped Listening otohara Nov 2016 #118
Why don't you post the whole story? Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #105
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I posted about Corporate owned people leading the minority in congress is more of the same things onecaliberal Nov 2016 #28
There is truth in all three of your listed causes, and there is nothing wrong with saying that. Squinch Nov 2016 #29
Wouldn't HRC have won if: katsy Nov 2016 #30
On another thread, I've come to the conclusion that we need younger candidates. randome Nov 2016 #31
People here seem to think "fair" & "unfair" Nevernose Nov 2016 #50
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Kurt Eichenwald sums it up very nicely lapucelle Nov 2016 #32
Bingo! yallerdawg Nov 2016 #40
The fact that Hillary faced all those obstacles and still won the popular vote lapucelle Nov 2016 #48
Eichenwald completely white washes the debate schedule manipulation think Nov 2016 #49
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"At the end" Are you even reading your own words? think Nov 2016 #62
They don't want facts to get in the way of their narrative NT LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #64
uh... kenfrequed Nov 2016 #72
"Sanders was unable to deliver his coalition, new young voters bought the right wing anti-Clinton" NWCorona Nov 2016 #87
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The MSM is teaching our politicians... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #38
This exactly, but I'd like to add one more thing: yes, the news media didn't cover it. But Squinch Nov 2016 #45
Thank you for posting that. athena Nov 2016 #95
Absolutely treestar Nov 2016 #113
Then please, tell us why the Republicans control the White House, the Senate, the House, the vast Trust Buster Nov 2016 #37
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Strawman argument Lil Missy Nov 2016 #47
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Cold comfort, isn't it? B2G Nov 2016 #57
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The fault, dear Brutus, HassleCat Nov 2016 #63
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Thank you BainsBane Nov 2016 #93
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The problem lies in many places. elleng Nov 2016 #94
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Indeed...it's tiresome. Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #100
Clinton won't be running in 2020 BainsBane Nov 2016 #89
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Disagree: rust belt ignored; voter suppression; Mook wrong George Eliot Nov 2016 #116
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