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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: So I guess Clinton and the DNC contributed nothing to this loss. [View all]think
(11,641 posts)51. The DNC made a new rule banning non DNC debates. Eichenwlad selectively chooses to omit
that important fact and claim that there more sanctioned debates. He deliberately refuses to discuss the many non sanctioned debates we had in previous years and focus soley on the limited DNC sanctioned debates.
We had 13 debates in the spring and summer of 2007. In 2015 we had ZERO debates in the spring and summer.
Martin OMalley raises legal questions with Democratic debate plan
By Alex Seitz-Wald - 08/11/15 10:05 AMUPDATED 08/11/15 05:01 PM
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Sandler OMalleys lawyer who served as general counsel to the DNC from 1993 through 2008, first in-house and then through his law firm also says the party has never used an exclusivity clause in the past.
Although the DNC announced a schedule of sanctioned debates both in 2004 and 2008, it has never before attempted to require debate sponsors to exclude any recognized candidate as punishment for participating in non-sanctioned debates, wrote Sandler. All major candidates in 2008, including Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, participated in unsanctioned debates, he said.
After the DNC announced the schedule of it debates last week, OMalley launched a crusade against the party to increase the number of debates. Shame on us as a party if the DNC tries to limit debate, OMalley said on msnbc Monday. I believe we need more debates, not fewer debates. And I think its outrageous, actually, that the DNC would try to make this process decidedly undemocratic....
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/martin-omalley-raises-legal-questions-democratic-debate-plan
By Alex Seitz-Wald - 08/11/15 10:05 AMUPDATED 08/11/15 05:01 PM
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Shame on us as a party if the DNC tries to limit debate.
MARTIN O'MALLEY
Sandler OMalleys lawyer who served as general counsel to the DNC from 1993 through 2008, first in-house and then through his law firm also says the party has never used an exclusivity clause in the past.
Although the DNC announced a schedule of sanctioned debates both in 2004 and 2008, it has never before attempted to require debate sponsors to exclude any recognized candidate as punishment for participating in non-sanctioned debates, wrote Sandler. All major candidates in 2008, including Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, participated in unsanctioned debates, he said.
After the DNC announced the schedule of it debates last week, OMalley launched a crusade against the party to increase the number of debates. Shame on us as a party if the DNC tries to limit debate, OMalley said on msnbc Monday. I believe we need more debates, not fewer debates. And I think its outrageous, actually, that the DNC would try to make this process decidedly undemocratic....
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/martin-omalley-raises-legal-questions-democratic-debate-plan
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"Complete bias by the DNC in the primaries, which alienated huge numbers of Sanders supporters."
mia
Nov 2016
#26
The DNC will support lifelong repigs who fought the Democratic Party tooth and nail up until..
Hassin Bin Sober
Nov 2016
#55
So he's not perfect with a D after his name. But he he is all about progress.
Hassin Bin Sober
Nov 2016
#74
I hope the DNC gained some insight, maybe, but I doubt it. And now we are stuck with this
RKP5637
Nov 2016
#106
Trump did manage to win an election regardless of almost everybody claiming he was going to lose.
LisaL
Nov 2016
#18
There was so much hacking going on, that the "stolen" idea doesn't seem so far fetched that it's
LisaL
Nov 2016
#14
You are absolutely correct, but you are talking to someone who is going from thread to thread
Squinch
Nov 2016
#27
The DNC rigged the primary against other Democrats too. O'Malley called out the short debate
think
Nov 2016
#36
The DNC made a new rule banning non DNC debates. Eichenwlad selectively chooses to omit
think
Nov 2016
#51
That comment was made in response to Obama's openness to cutting social security & other
think
Nov 2016
#86
First of all, that was in repsonse to Obama discussing cuts to Social Security.
white_wolf
Nov 2016
#96
I posted about Corporate owned people leading the minority in congress is more of the same things
onecaliberal
Nov 2016
#28
There is truth in all three of your listed causes, and there is nothing wrong with saying that.
Squinch
Nov 2016
#29
On another thread, I've come to the conclusion that we need younger candidates.
randome
Nov 2016
#31
Good point. Progressives tend to see things accurately but that doesn't count in politics, either.
randome
Nov 2016
#70
The fact that Hillary faced all those obstacles and still won the popular vote
lapucelle
Nov 2016
#48
"Sanders was unable to deliver his coalition, new young voters bought the right wing anti-Clinton"
NWCorona
Nov 2016
#87
This exactly, but I'd like to add one more thing: yes, the news media didn't cover it. But
Squinch
Nov 2016
#45
Then please, tell us why the Republicans control the White House, the Senate, the House, the vast
Trust Buster
Nov 2016
#37
11 days before the election Comey interfered with the election by sending a false flag
still_one
Nov 2016
#44
No we didn't. Blame the EC all you want, but we all knew that 270 was the real number to win.
Exilednight
Nov 2016
#111
Your whole premise is centered around a completely incorrect assumption based statement.
NCTraveler
Nov 2016
#59
If democratic leadership continues to delude themselves, they will continue to lose.
CrispyQ
Nov 2016
#61
WHY SUCH POLARIZED either/or thinking? Come on man - at the risk of making your head
Kashkakat v.2.0
Nov 2016
#66
HIllary Clinton won the popular vote by over 2 million (and counting). What exactly
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2016
#107