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Mc Mike

(9,123 posts)
51. It varies from county to county. Allegheny always gives us a ticket stub receipt with a voter ID #.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:21 PM
Nov 2016

All the votes are stored with no paper, electronically, in a secure flash card for each machine and on the Master PEB cartridge, but they can be displayed on a computer screen, post-election. That's useful if there are voters who have data points they're willing to openly offer. (I voted on machine 1 in my precinct/district, ~ 12:30 pm, voted one at a time for all Dem candidates save one, wrote in a name for my unopposed Dem state rep, and voted against the raising Judge age initiative. So there should be a vote stored, on the district/precinct Master cart for Ward 19, District 28, City of Pittsburgh, from machine 1 at 12:30 that shows those exact preferences recorded. That vote should also be stored on machine 1's flash card. If there isn't a vote for Hillary Clinton for Prez and "Gi Gi Sullivan" for PA State Rep on machine 1 at ~ 12:30, that is evidence of felony election tampering that benefitted the repug prez candidate. The machines are called DREs, Direct Recording Electronic, they're supposed to record, store, then transfer the actual ballot cast by each voter to the Master cart.)

We sign in to vote on a paper voter certificate card, kept alphabetically in a box that looks like an old library card catalogue. There's a paper district binder that has an alphabetical list of registered voters with photostat copies of the voters' signatures, which they submitted when they registered to vote for the first time, or when they moved to a new polling district and re-registered. The poll workers write every voter's name on two separate but identitical paper district check in lists, numbered in the order that they checked in to vote. The voter certificate card has a ticket connected to it that is detached, we take it to the poll worker at the machines, they take half the ticket and put it into an envelope hanging on the side of the machine we will vote on, and give us the stub. (I keep mine, some people toss theirs, or lose them, whatever.)

So there's a bunch of paperwork that could be used for verification. The signed voter certificate cards can have their signatures checked against the district register's signatures. The 2 identical district voter check in lists can be crossed referenced with the signed voter cert cards. The voter cert cards' ticket stubs in each machine's envelopes show exactly what signed-in registered voter voted on that particular machine. They're random in the envelope, not kept in any order, to respect the privacy of each voter's vote, in case the voter is afraid to say who they voted for.

IF things were kosher at my poll, there's going to be 524 signed cards, with signatures that substantially match the signatures in the district register (may be a few less, because some ballots were cast absentee, but those ballots have a signature also.) There are going to be 524 (minus absentee #) v cert card tickets divvied up into the envelopes for the 3 machines. The two identical district check in lists will show 524 (minus absentee vote number) names that match with the signed v cert cards. If any of that paperwork doesn't jine, something irregular occurred at the district/precinct level, and it's evidence of election fraud.

With no interference, I bet I could single handedly verify the vote count in my district in less than one day.

And any recount effort could include outreach to district voters listed as having voted, that verifies that they cast a ballot. I'd be more than happy to go door to door on my own time, while not engaged in official recount efforts, in the district I vote in and used to represent as Dem committeeperson, to verify with the listed (checked in) voters that they cast ballots.

In this election, my district/precinct showed both an unusually high (81%) turn out rate (10% higher than the county average) and a "preference for dRumpf" rate that was 14 - 19% higher than the two neighboring polls I worked for election protection, in the neighborhood next door, 3 miles Southeast from me. My polling place was more than a half hour later in completing the poll closing process than the 2 polls I worked, and there was not a crowd of voters visible inside the polls who had not voted yet, but had been in line at 8 pm and were therefore eligibly waiting inside the locked poll to vote. My district/precinct is a Dem stronghold that had zero dRumpf signs visible this election, though there were several (7) visible 3 precincts away from me, 1.5 miles Northwest. When I was a Dem committee person in this district in 2011, there were 486 Dems registered and 141 R s.

Looking at the district paperwork, in a recount, won't do anything about an electronic vote flip on the precinct level, it won't show if there was a hack in the county election dept's central tabulator, it won't show if there was electronic manipulation at the state level where the counties' sent their tabulated results totals to get the overall state results. But, aside from checking the voter datapoint I offered (the actual unique ballot choices I openly admit to making), in past recount efforts there was evidence of electronic irregularities exposed during the recount process.

In Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), for the '04 election recount, there was evidence exposed that a bunch of extra votes had been added for li'l bush. The random audit showed that there was a long run of voters in a row for bush, then a shorter run of voters for Kerry, then another long run of voters for bush, etc. (Conyers Report, What Went Wrong In Ohio? Page 88, paperback edition.) The odds of something like that happening would be the same as flipping a coin 20 times and having it come up tails every time, then flipping it 10 more times and having it come up heads, then flipping it 25 more times and having it be tails, with the resulting totals being recorded as 45 tails, 10 heads. The statistically-nearly-impossible long runs of identical voter preferences showed a lazy and not very sneaky attempt had been made to pump up the repug candidate's vote totals in a Dem stronghold area.

Good! Vinnie From Indy Nov 2016 #1
#auditthevote in addition to this #recount riversedge Nov 2016 #2
Much relief jimlup Nov 2016 #3
Exactly. OnionPatch Nov 2016 #5
Agreed. The Russian aspect of this makes me ill. Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #26
That seems not plausible triron Nov 2016 #28
Yes, I saw it has already been certified. Qutzupalotl Nov 2016 #31
Or North Carolina. Island Blue Nov 2016 #35
McCrory has requested a recount BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #36
I think that's only for the governor's race. Island Blue Nov 2016 #37
It looks like he won't be able to steal it. BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #38
I wonder what will happen cilla4progress Nov 2016 #4
I'm surprised by the number of people on DU that are suddenly Jill fans Red Oak Nov 2016 #6
I never was or wasn't a fan of hers ailsagirl Nov 2016 #9
Agree, no fan of Jill Stein, but glad her org is leading this recount effort... iluvtennis Nov 2016 #10
Good for you!! ailsagirl Nov 2016 #11
Thank you...been lurking for many months now...finally stepping out :-) n/t iluvtennis Nov 2016 #24
I'm glad you did ailsagirl Nov 2016 #30
Not necessarily a fan but supportive of the effort she is making. anamandujano Nov 2016 #14
It's weird that Duers tavalon Nov 2016 #47
LOL, agree. I'm getting whiplash. (n/t) SMC22307 Nov 2016 #21
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #32
I don't see any "fans" of Jill Stein here. What I DO see are people who are willing to Silver Gaia Nov 2016 #45
best of luck to her. mopinko Nov 2016 #7
There's no downside as far as I can tell. Good on Jill Arazi Nov 2016 #8
What about Florida? Chalco Nov 2016 #12
I came to this thread to say the same thing: What about Florida? I have no faith in their vote count NBachers Nov 2016 #13
There's a thread here with a petition to sign for Florida. anamandujano Nov 2016 #16
No one can get a FL recount, period. SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #18
Certified by 3 stooges in a 2 minute phone call. One of them is a pay to player who should be anamandujano Nov 2016 #19
I agree with your assessment of the State Canvassing Board SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #20
We'll see. anamandujano Nov 2016 #22
certified is certified. period. Ellipsis Nov 2016 #33
Florida is done. Certified. Closed. Finished. davidn3600 Nov 2016 #23
Here is what her plan is KatyBR Nov 2016 #15
It's not intended but probably will. That's why most are donating. anamandujano Nov 2016 #17
Does Stein know that unless a recount is done in all 3 states, Trump will still be POTUS? red dog 1 Nov 2016 #29
Yes, I think she knows this. She admits helping Hillary win is not her intention. Silver Gaia Nov 2016 #46
Thanks for that info red dog 1 Nov 2016 #52
You're welcome! Silver Gaia Nov 2016 #53
I donated budkin Nov 2016 #25
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Nov 2016 #27
120,000 sounds low SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #39
Sorry, just saw that your article SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #40
Sorry just saw that your article SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #41
I know others share the feeling I have about this election and everything surrounding it... tandem5 Nov 2016 #34
Good For Her! colsohlibgal Nov 2016 #42
Right on. We need to legitimize this election no matter the result so people can move on realmirage Nov 2016 #43
I'm calling it. PA flips blue. Just a gnawing feeling. That's how rotten things really probably zonkers Nov 2016 #44
Good luck getting a flip in Pa. watoos Nov 2016 #49
No trail No accident. zonkers Nov 2016 #50
It varies from county to county. Allegheny always gives us a ticket stub receipt with a voter ID #. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #51
Now that we have completed funding Wisconsin's recount (where we will file on Friday): UCmeNdc Nov 2016 #48
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