2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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73. It is the Russia narrative that is stupid

Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:38 PM

Nov 2016

The machine hacking was the same crap that had been done for years with the Diebolt machine. You don't need Russia to do that, just corrupt republicans as usual. Imagining or trying to build up some big Russian superhacker (who would actually have to be on site to deliver the patches) is ridiculous. The voting machines are not hooked up to the internet.

The same thing with the voter rolls. Greg Palast pointed out how some Republican led States shared a program that knocked people off with similar black sounding names by claiming they were voting in different states. They were de-registered to vote.

Again, this didn't require some big Russian vote stealing bear!

Yes, of course the Russians did hit social media a bit and did a propaganda blitz. (just like everyone else)

But if you want to know who stole the election then look at your fellow Americans.

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So I guess Clinton and the DNC contributed nothing to this loss. [View all] B2G Nov 2016 OP

Who did you vote for? DURHAM D Nov 2016 #1

Clinton B2G Nov 2016 #2

Boom Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #80

Don't worry. Jill Stein will find the tens of thousands of votes necessary EL34x4 Nov 2016 #3

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #53

That covers the causes we can politely discuss. ucrdem Nov 2016 #4

Then what's even the point of this forum? B2G Nov 2016 #6

What are the mistakes? LisaL Nov 2016 #7

Well some won't like them at all B2G Nov 2016 #10

That sums it up nicely whitefordmd Nov 2016 #22

"Complete bias by the DNC in the primaries, which alienated huge numbers of Sanders supporters." mia Nov 2016 #26

We should start by renaming it the "Whatever National Committee." yallerdawg Nov 2016 #35

The DNC will support lifelong repigs who fought the Democratic Party tooth and nail up until.. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #55

He just won't ever be... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #69

So he's not perfect with a D after his name. But he he is all about progress. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #74

So very true funny how they accept him when Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #83

Very true Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #82

Yep, I heard that one all the way. I think Bernie was screwed by the DNC RKP5637 Nov 2016 #101

And many here are shocked Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #102

I hope the DNC gained some insight, maybe, but I doubt it. And now we are stuck with this RKP5637 Nov 2016 #106

Except the polls weren't wrong mythology Nov 2016 #52

What did the polls show in the swing states? B2G Nov 2016 #54

Good answers here... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #71

I would also add that for all the talk of race LittleBlue Nov 2016 #75

Sadly, I think you are right Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #84

"The black vote was down 11% from 2012." SMC22307 Nov 2016 #88

I was talking to a black lady who treestar Nov 2016 #115

No echo chamber here treestar Nov 2016 #114

The whole basket of deplorables thing didn't help at all. nt B2G Nov 2016 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #81

The mistakes are numerous. Exilednight Nov 2016 #109

There were many reasons this happened. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #5

The way appointments are going, Comey's replacement would moonscape Nov 2016 #39

It seems SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #8

What is the deep dive? LisaL Nov 2016 #9

Nothing is stopping people from posting mistakes SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #11

Exactly B2G Nov 2016 #13

Trump set a trap claiming election is rigged against him. LisaL Nov 2016 #15

You obviously didn't get the memo SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #16

Trump did manage to win an election regardless of almost everybody claiming he was going to lose. LisaL Nov 2016 #18

There was so much hacking going on, that the "stolen" idea doesn't seem so far fetched that it's LisaL Nov 2016 #14

Hacking emails SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #17

Different isn't the same as impossible, is it? LisaL Nov 2016 #19

Nope not impossible SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #21

What evidence would be there and who would be able to uncover such evidence? LisaL Nov 2016 #25

To me personally SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #41

It is the Russia narrative that is stupid kenfrequed Nov 2016 #73

You are absolutely correct, but you are talking to someone who is going from thread to thread Squinch Nov 2016 #27

Thank you. Seems very invested indeed. JTFrog Nov 2016 #33

Podesta's gmail password Nevernose Nov 2016 #42

Not sure if what I read a couple of weeks ago is true or not SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #65

Link to the phishing email story SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #67

So who is arguing that? JHan Nov 2016 #12

An excellent post ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #20

Correct.. JHan Nov 2016 #23

#2 is especially critical, IMO SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #24

Yup. JHan Nov 2016 #43

The DNC rigged the primary against other Democrats too. O'Malley called out the short debate think Nov 2016 #36

yeah right.. JHan Nov 2016 #46

The DNC made a new rule banning non DNC debates. Eichenwlad selectively chooses to omit think Nov 2016 #51

You Know What Else Is Shitty? otohara Nov 2016 #85

That comment was made in response to Obama's openness to cutting social security & other think Nov 2016 #86

Those pesky facts Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #103

Who cheated whom? JHan Nov 2016 #112

First of all, that was in repsonse to Obama discussing cuts to Social Security. white_wolf Nov 2016 #96

"for a year weekly on the airwaves" ?? Well, THAT never happened. BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #97

It's Why I Stopped Listening otohara Nov 2016 #118

Why don't you post the whole story? Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #105

This is an excellent post. musicblind Nov 2016 #98

None of this makes any sense. quaker bill Nov 2016 #99

I posted about Corporate owned people leading the minority in congress is more of the same things onecaliberal Nov 2016 #28

There is truth in all three of your listed causes, and there is nothing wrong with saying that. Squinch Nov 2016 #29

Wouldn't HRC have won if: katsy Nov 2016 #30

On another thread, I've come to the conclusion that we need younger candidates. randome Nov 2016 #31

People here seem to think "fair" & "unfair" Nevernose Nov 2016 #50

Good point. Progressives tend to see things accurately but that doesn't count in politics, either. randome Nov 2016 #70

Kurt Eichenwald sums it up very nicely lapucelle Nov 2016 #32

Bingo! yallerdawg Nov 2016 #40

The fact that Hillary faced all those obstacles and still won the popular vote lapucelle Nov 2016 #48

Eichenwald completely white washes the debate schedule manipulation think Nov 2016 #49

that argument is bullshit-- there were plenty of debates at the end Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #58

"At the end" Are you even reading your own words? think Nov 2016 #62

They don't want facts to get in the way of their narrative NT LostOne4Ever Nov 2016 #64

uh... kenfrequed Nov 2016 #72

"Sanders was unable to deliver his coalition, new young voters bought the right wing anti-Clinton" NWCorona Nov 2016 #87

I'm sorry our lack of a circular firing squad offends you. dawg Nov 2016 #34

The MSM is teaching our politicians... yallerdawg Nov 2016 #38

This exactly, but I'd like to add one more thing: yes, the news media didn't cover it. But Squinch Nov 2016 #45

Thank you for posting that. athena Nov 2016 #95

Absolutely treestar Nov 2016 #113

Then please, tell us why the Republicans control the White House, the Senate, the House, the vast Trust Buster Nov 2016 #37

11 days before the election Comey interfered with the election by sending a false flag still_one Nov 2016 #44

Strawman argument Lil Missy Nov 2016 #47

We did win treestar Nov 2016 #56

Cold comfort, isn't it? B2G Nov 2016 #57

No we didn't. Blame the EC all you want, but we all knew that 270 was the real number to win. Exilednight Nov 2016 #111

Your whole premise is centered around a completely incorrect assumption based statement. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #59

what is it about wikileaks and Russian hacking do you not get??? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #60

If democratic leadership continues to delude themselves, they will continue to lose. CrispyQ Nov 2016 #61

The fault, dear Brutus, HassleCat Nov 2016 #63

WHY SUCH POLARIZED either/or thinking? Come on man - at the risk of making your head Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2016 #66

I didn't feel the need to start an OP on cheating, the FBI, etc. because B2G Nov 2016 #68

You didn't say we BainsBane Nov 2016 #91

The Hubris Of The Clinton Ground Game 'helped' mightily. elleng Nov 2016 #76

I'm from a blue state, so I traveled every weekend to a swing state lapucelle Nov 2016 #77

Thanks for your work. He surely wasn't belittling YOUR work, but rather elleng Nov 2016 #78

The most heart-breaking thing I learned lapucelle Nov 2016 #104

Thank you BainsBane Nov 2016 #93

Another article said her ground game turned out Trump voters BainsBane Nov 2016 #90

The problem lies in many places. elleng Nov 2016 #94

Yep Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #79

Indeed...it's tiresome. Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #100

Clinton won't be running in 2020 BainsBane Nov 2016 #89

I'm a bit torn NWCorona Nov 2016 #92

HIllary Clinton won the popular vote by over 2 million (and counting). What exactly KingCharlemagne Nov 2016 #107

You forgot "it's Bernie and/or Jill Steins fault"!11!! Arazi Nov 2016 #108

Jill Stein caused Hillary Clinton to lose...n/t asuhornets Nov 2016 #110

Disagree: rust belt ignored; voter suppression; Mook wrong George Eliot Nov 2016 #116