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FBaggins

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21. I "thought" that they were safe too.
Sat Nov 26, 2016, 02:10 PM
Nov 2016

That's largely because the campaign told us that she had an impenetrable wall there.

Trump was campaigning actively all across the region in the closing couple weeks... while we mostly just waved at it politely. I don't know whether it was arrogance or incompetence... but we were supposed to be the ones with the experienced campaign team.

The polls were wrong. Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #1
Were the 300,000 votes thrown out for wrong id also wrong? Tiggeroshii Nov 2016 #5
No they weren't. Private companies programmed the machines before 1 off was ever cast onecaliberal Nov 2016 #81
Which polls were wrong? ucrdem Nov 2016 #6
As I stated before, the polls weren't wrong. Just the data sets which were used in these data sets Exilednight Nov 2016 #11
Okay but didn't Trump's numbers in the same polls use the same data sets? ucrdem Nov 2016 #46
No, they used some shit from mars... they pulled DPutins LV out of their asses and threw them on uponit7771 Nov 2016 #52
Yes, every single one of those polls were wrong according to the msm... all the polling science uponit7771 Nov 2016 #48
duh Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #89
Polls couldn't be that wrong radius777 Nov 2016 #65
Even Nate Silver cautioned a couple days ahead of the election that HRC's lead was pretty thin... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #68
Yep SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #75
Or worse... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #105
Odds are just that. Odds. LisaL Nov 2016 #76
Yeah, Silver had the Cubs at 1 in 4 chance of winning the Series. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #80
No candidate in 50 years has lost with her type of leads radius777 Nov 2016 #104
You've got to be kidding. Were you not around for the primaries? Buzz Clik Nov 2016 #90
not that wrong MFM008 Nov 2016 #78
People used the wrong data when putting together these charts. Exilednight Nov 2016 #2
Isn't polling a SCIENCE cilla4progress Nov 2016 #7
Yes. But like any science it depends on the data sets that are used. Exilednight Nov 2016 #8
Yes and they worked before treestar Nov 2016 #10
It's NOT the polls that were wrong. It was the people interpreting the poll numbers. Exilednight Nov 2016 #20
It's most certainly ALSO an ART FBaggins Nov 2016 #15
Add to that, polling could potentially influence the results itself. LisaL Nov 2016 #16
Absolutely FBaggins Nov 2016 #17
That was my concern and I believe some of it did take place. LisaL Nov 2016 #19
I "thought" that they were safe too. FBaggins Nov 2016 #21
Campaign was presumably getting the same polling results showing these states were safe. LisaL Nov 2016 #26
So where was Trump getting his polling from? FBaggins Nov 2016 #57
if they had rigging operations in those states radius777 Nov 2016 #63
One didn't need polls to know she wasn't doing all that well with rural white voters. LisaL Nov 2016 #77
I agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #35
Yes, but as the charts show cilla4progress Nov 2016 #18
First I would argue is that they weren't consistent. Exilednight Nov 2016 #22
They do their own calling FBaggins Nov 2016 #24
No they're not. They're a social science. There's no art involved. Exilednight Nov 2016 #23
There is a lot of guessing involved. LisaL Nov 2016 #25
There's no guessing involved, but there is a margin of error. Exilednight Nov 2016 #32
No guessing involved? LisaL Nov 2016 #34
Which is based off of data sets. It's not guess work. Polls showed that voter turnout was going to Exilednight Nov 2016 #39
Polls don't actually show anything. LisaL Nov 2016 #62
Sorry... that's self-contradictory FBaggins Nov 2016 #28
Social scence does include art, it just studies it. I've also never met a pollster that will tell Exilednight Nov 2016 #36
Really? FBaggins Nov 2016 #40
Did Mark Penn get this election right? Exilednight Nov 2016 #41
Lol... you don't realize the implication there... do you? FBaggins Nov 2016 #43
I do realize it. The implication is that any pollster that says polling is an art is going to get Exilednight Nov 2016 #44
Um... so where are the "scientific" pollsters who got it right? FBaggins Nov 2016 #45
There are lists of people who broke down the same polls and came up with how this election would Exilednight Nov 2016 #49
And you're hiding from naming them now because...? FBaggins Nov 2016 #53
Montgomery and Hollenbech from Vox got it right. Exilednight Nov 2016 #58
Now you're just grasping at straws FBaggins Nov 2016 #60
Yes, and? Bob41213 Nov 2016 #106
Provisional and cross check? Satch59 Nov 2016 #3
Excuse my ignorance - so... cilla4progress Nov 2016 #12
I'm confused also... Satch59 Nov 2016 #27
WI says they're looking SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #37
Wisconsin has has same day registration forthemiddle Nov 2016 #85
Got it SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #86
i recorded the show. let me play it back and see if i can clarify KewlKat Nov 2016 #61
Ok....here are my notes and quotes from the Joy Reid episode from this morning KewlKat Nov 2016 #70
Wow great report! Satch59 Nov 2016 #84
Palast warned us in August about the crosscheck purge but none of us screamed loud enough KewlKat Nov 2016 #87
I would not be at all surprised if there are uncounted... 3catwoman3 Nov 2016 #88
Same in other battleground states, same rigorous, accurate polling in all of them. Coyotl Nov 2016 #4
CrossCheat Zambero Nov 2016 #9
How likely is it to find this cilla4progress Nov 2016 #13
I'm wondering the same Zambero Nov 2016 #29
I'm pretty sure that Crossscheck SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #42
Polls don't win elections. LisaL Nov 2016 #14
However... Zambero Nov 2016 #31
But Crosscheck doesn't filter votes SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #74
I think it's now blindingly obvious that anamnua Nov 2016 #30
Not evidenced by thousands of Trump yard signs Zambero Nov 2016 #33
I wanted to put on a Hillary bumper sticker, but BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #102
I do not believe that for a second cilla4progress Nov 2016 #38
I don't know about that. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2016 #71
This idea might have some merit, however Stargleamer Nov 2016 #51
Each state is different. LisaL Nov 2016 #59
Polsters response: "...well, that's a rational question...but fuck you ok? go fuck off k? " /sarcasm uponit7771 Nov 2016 #47
LOL. Remember 2004? ucrdem Nov 2016 #50
Yeap... these fuckers are either in on it or stupid beyond belief uponit7771 Nov 2016 #54
Yet Trump was leading Iowa. RandySF Nov 2016 #55
That's not what RCP reported IIRC uponit7771 Nov 2016 #56
IA/OH are swing states, WI/MI are not. /nt radius777 Nov 2016 #64
Obviously WI and MI are swing states because they swung republican this election. LisaL Nov 2016 #73
I think they were stolen. radius777 Nov 2016 #100
They were stolen triron Nov 2016 #101
Polls were off. They were overestimating turnout and were missing people. davidn3600 Nov 2016 #66
initial exits were wrong regarding Latinos radius777 Nov 2016 #67
The enthusiasm that was there for Obama just simply was not there for her davidn3600 Nov 2016 #69
Us democrats, we need to be excited in order to vote. LisaL Nov 2016 #72
True, but every candidate has flaws, and she was more than good enough radius777 Nov 2016 #99
WE are a blue state jodymarie aimee Nov 2016 #79
You aren't blue any more FBaggins Nov 2016 #83
Thank you, never doubted it ucrdem Nov 2016 #103
Post convention SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #82
They don't have TV, radio, print and social media? ucrdem Nov 2016 #91
I understand that SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #92
Hillary was there in March and April and Bill, Chelsea, Tim Kaine and Joe Biden ucrdem Nov 2016 #93
Sending surrogates SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #94
How would they even know? ucrdem Nov 2016 #95
Seriously? SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #96
Seriously. She WAS there, for several days. As to who won the state, that remains to be seen. ucrdem Nov 2016 #97
Yeah, she was there 7 months before the election SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #98
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