2016 Postmortem

DanTex

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13. Yup. And I'm starting to think that Obama's political genius in a way had the unfortunate

Mon Nov 28, 2016, 06:16 PM

Nov 2016

side-effect of letting Dems ignore things like this. Even though they were misplaying the marketing game the whole time, his personal abilities let him win elections anyway, giving a false sense of security.

Put another way, over the last 8 years, Democrats who weren't among the greatest public speakers in American history got clobbered.

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Possibly the most important thing: Dems need to get better at the propaganda wars. [View all] DanTex Nov 2016 OP

Democrats need to find a handful of issues and pound on it! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #1

We are 10 years behind on this... FarPoint Nov 2016 #2

Yes. It's the media. hadEnuf Nov 2016 #30

Best Comment of All McKim Nov 2016 #32

I agree-- and welcome to DU! Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #42

That's what make America so vulnerable to a third-rate annabanana Nov 2016 #3

It's not just America. It's a general human problem. DanTex Nov 2016 #5

This is the absolute truth! It is the Propaganda Campaign that has had control over us since The Wielding Truth Nov 2016 #4

Republicans own the media (tv and radio) SHRED Nov 2016 #6

Definition of propaganda frazzled Nov 2016 #7

That's pretty much what I'm saying, yes. DanTex Nov 2016 #12

YES, that definition, minus the "biased and misleading nature" part. yodermon Nov 2016 #18

So, yell the truth louder frazzled Nov 2016 #21

Yeah,"... gone down in flames." Rather like the Democratic Party did. Ligyron Nov 2016 #34

Please note that the definition says "especially," not "exclusively," Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #37

And we do a very good job of the positive type of purposeful persuasion frazzled Nov 2016 #43

Not sure why you're talking of "gnashing teeth with fiery bromides and exaggerated promises" Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2016 #53

They've ignored Professor Lakoff's advice for years. elleng Nov 2016 #8

Yup. And I'm starting to think that Obama's political genius in a way had the unfortunate DanTex Nov 2016 #13

Yes, something like that. elleng Nov 2016 #17

Facts and figures... JSup Nov 2016 #9

Absolutely, although that isn't a popular opinion on here. Most think "being right" is enough... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #10

Yes, politics is about perception not reality. radius777 Nov 2016 #11

Bill also had a real talent for simplifying difficult concepts Nevernose Nov 2016 #49

Yes. Being reasonable, knowledgeable and competent treestar Nov 2016 #14

I agree, we need to get better at "the game"... Raster Nov 2016 #15

Thought provoking RonniePudding Nov 2016 #16

I have a very high opinion of Obama as well. And I agree about the white patriarchy. DanTex Nov 2016 #19

The thing is, Obama actually got quite a bit done RonniePudding Nov 2016 #24

Yes, he did. His first two years were amazing. And even after, in the face of DanTex Nov 2016 #25

You say that once, and pundits will say "oh, no, that's out of line." yodermon Nov 2016 #20

Well, the biggest thing we need is a media platform. kydo Nov 2016 #22

100% correct. nt Maven Nov 2016 #23

I agree. Rational arguments do not win elections. They don't sell products. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #26

Yup. Rationality plays an alarmingly tiny role in human behavior. DanTex Nov 2016 #29

Add microtargeting to this. sfwriter Nov 2016 #27

Republican propaganda is all lies and smears Cary Nov 2016 #28

We need to jam their signal spirald Nov 2016 #31

We have to stand on principles instead of triangulation compromises bucolic_frolic Nov 2016 #33

Won't work. DEMS CANNOT BE TOLD. Reps can. ffr Nov 2016 #35

I agree we need drastic improvemnt in framing, focused messaging and MEMES. Not propaganda. n/t Turn CO Blue Nov 2016 #36

For it to work you have to have leaders and spokespeople that the Exilednight Nov 2016 #38

Actually the David Brock Correct The Record propaganda turned many off jfern Nov 2016 #39

Actual voters don't care about David Brock. DanTex Nov 2016 #40

Enjoy losing then jfern Nov 2016 #41

There were no drunken hooligams throwing chairs Nevernose Nov 2016 #50

No one knows about David Brock, but his work on Anita Hill still resonates LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #48

Establishment isn't about how long you've been in DC. Hillary was obviously more establishment. jfern Nov 2016 #51

I just think most people are self-centered. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #44

I guess yelling louder does work frazzled Nov 2016 #45

Some things we're probably not willing to do... JSup Nov 2016 #46

Yep. Some will call 'em Trump Chumps, some will call them "alt right" some say neo-fascist LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #47

Absolutely this. alarimer Nov 2016 #52