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JCanete

(5,272 posts)
25. Okay, this is a very oversimplified interpretation. There is actually a very
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:44 PM
Nov 2016

good case to be made for the democrats surviving only by the virtue of Clinton's 3rd way politics in the first place. That we have reached a level of technology that gives us decentralized access to news and opinion has absolutely changed what is possible, but I say "possible," not probable.

When money has its hands in everything, including social media, taking it to the establishment is a very precarious game, likely to leave the brazen fool who attempted it bleeding on the side of the metaphorical road of politics, and his message, either lost in the wind, or used to tie any future upstarts who give it voice to that foolish person who deserved to be road kill. That doesn't mean there aren't moments where things slip through the grasp of the messaging police, but they are few and far between. Should we take those and run with them when they come? I think so, but they'll still probably end the way I just described.

It isn't enough to desire that we give people a message they can get behind either. It still has to be honest. It still has to actually promote good change, not just change, and not just pander to their worst instincts.

Also, you can't say don't talk about the money and media and then talk about how democrats come across as smug assholes, especially in the wake of a Trump Presidency, who certainly doesn't come off as smug, or an asshole, now does he?

The Democratic platform was popular, but people weren't voting on some meaningless platform jfern Nov 2016 #1
Yeah, that may be as good an answer as I've heard. lovemydog Nov 2016 #2
Right, because they voted to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN? Cosmocat Nov 2016 #6
No one gives a shit about meaningless platforms they know the candidate will ignore jfern Nov 2016 #26
You aren't going to get good answers Txbluedog Nov 2016 #3
I think you're largely correct. lovemydog Nov 2016 #16
We keep losing elections because the right wing media machine... Initech Nov 2016 #4
C A N W E P L E A S E S T O P W I T H T H E A G G R I E V E D R U R A L F O L K S S H I T Cosmocat Nov 2016 #5
There is a lot of truth to this post hueymahl Nov 2016 #7
They hated the shit of Bill and only to a slightly lesser extent Obama, too Cosmocat Nov 2016 #13
Great post hueymahl Nov 2016 #22
I agree Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2016 #9
IDK Cosmocat Nov 2016 #11
Amen. (nt) Paladin Nov 2016 #17
Two things: Russia and Racism. Nt LaydeeBug Nov 2016 #8
If we had a PARLIAMENTARY system, issues would be at the forefront! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #10
Lazy and too much attention to the presidency treestar Nov 2016 #12
Yes, locally on up. lovemydog Nov 2016 #18
Gerrymandering and messaging budkin Nov 2016 #14
This mythology Nov 2016 #20
Gerrymandering is a problem because we gerrymandered ourselves Amishman Nov 2016 #21
Agreed. NT hueymahl Nov 2016 #23
I feel like "self righteous" comes out when people can't defend their positions- often bigotry. bettyellen Nov 2016 #15
Very good point. lovemydog Nov 2016 #19
Reaserching policy takes effort on everyone's part. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #24
Definitely. Democracy is messy and it requires lovemydog Nov 2016 #27
Okay, this is a very oversimplified interpretation. There is actually a very JCanete Nov 2016 #25
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