Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
89. There is no proof they can not win, either.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 04:00 PM
Jan 2017

That knife cuts both ways.

The one thing Bernie's campaign did prove was that you can raise large sums of money without a SuperPac.

Seems to me Tavarious Jackson Jan 2017 #1
Great article. tecelote Jan 2017 #2
One more blind person describing the elephant... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #3
You wonder why Bill Clinton's truebluegreen Jan 2017 #11
Riiiight. And the partisan Republican Congress had nada to do with those bills, right? BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #83
This is a complete misunderstanding of Clinton and the role of the President. OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #135
No. It's a clear understanding of the role of the president - and his power, which is limited. BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #136
Wow. OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #137
OMG. A political novice. Now you sound (not saying you are) like a Republican. First you BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #138
Faux News and Breitbart? OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #139
Basically, it is POLICY that counts, not messaging nikto Jan 2017 #4
you got it! rainy Jan 2017 #6
It's simple, really nikto Jan 2017 #13
People like that are in the Democratic Party for a couple of reasons -- Nay Jan 2017 #32
That's a very intelligent answer nikto Jan 2017 #47
I think it's because African Americans and others... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #45
One of FDR's biggest battles was getting the southern Democrats ... nikto Jan 2017 #53
Yep. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #57
You mean like free college for everyone when many graduate HS without bettyellen Jan 2017 #132
+ a brazillion truebluegreen Jan 2017 #12
This is so obvious to US, why isn't it obvious to everybody on this BBS? nikto Jan 2017 #15
I don't know. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #21
Wrong. It is about messaging. And about racism/sexism. And about Comey and Russia. DanTex Jan 2017 #23
You use the word, "Progressive" too loosely nikto Jan 2017 #49
No that person uses it just fine. You use it as if you own the term. You don't. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #50
Unclear answer---Please explain nikto Jan 2017 #56
No reply. No content. No substance. nikto Jan 2017 #122
Very well started nikto. lastone Jan 2017 #65
Checkout my Progressive blog, you might like it ... nikto Jan 2017 #112
First of all "corporatist" doesn't mean what you think it means. DanTex Jan 2017 #79
+1000000 JHan Jan 2017 #80
Thank you, DanTex! Thank you for the eye-opening facts that too many on the left refuse to BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #84
It's not purism --- that's just lazy thinking nikto Jan 2017 #109
Purists believe that their values are everyone's values. Purists believe that anything short of BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #116
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #119
You are a good advocate ..... However Rilgin Jan 2017 #99
He didn't "quickly" abandon the public option. DanTex Jan 2017 #100
Own what his decision was Rilgin Jan 2017 #101
I will, happily. DanTex Jan 2017 #102
Yes he said he wanted it. That is different than fighting for it. Rilgin Jan 2017 #103
If you can explain to me how he was going to change Lieberman and Baucus's minds, please go ahead. DanTex Jan 2017 #105
Exactly Rilgin Jan 2017 #106
It wasn't a "sacrifice" because the public option was already dead. DanTex Jan 2017 #107
You try to too hard. Rilgin Jan 2017 #117
I guess it depends what one means by "fight". DanTex Jan 2017 #118
Excellent answer nikto Jan 2017 #124
Good, patient answer nikto Jan 2017 #121
Folks on this board have been hyper-sensitive about certain words for a while now nikto Jan 2017 #114
Yes, some of us prefer words to be used correctly and accurately. DanTex Jan 2017 #115
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #120
Name-calling instead of logical arguments. DanTex Jan 2017 #131
Centrists on DU sometimes call themselves Progressive. OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #140
"If you went to HRC's website..." Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #63
I agree with you, messaging needs to be much better. DanTex Jan 2017 #72
These policies were on her website she kept referring to---That did a lot of good, didn't it? nikto Jan 2017 #110
Old-time Democrats like me will never accept today's more economically Conservative-leaning Party nikto Jan 2017 #113
Oh that Clinton "machine"- one would think Hillary had been president for the last 24 years delisen Jan 2017 #5
She's right, the left keeps moving to the right to get those donor dollars and now we have an rainy Jan 2017 #8
agreed... ewagner Jan 2017 #10
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nikto Jan 2017 #16
That simply is not true. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #77
There is no proof they can not win, either. Exilednight Jan 2017 #89
Yeah ...Bernie lost the primary. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #91
Bernie lost due to strategy, not because of his message. Exilednight Jan 2017 #104
He lost because the press didn't let the people hear his message. rainy Jan 2017 #134
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #48
true quaker bill Jan 2017 #7
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nikto Jan 2017 #17
the problem is conservatism, not liberalism Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #27
Neoliberalism is an economic philosophy Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #54
Just because you don't like the word, doesn't mean the meaning is wrong; dionysus Jan 2017 #67
that's a fine definition... but it doesn't fit Hillary Clinton, as she often was called a neoliberal Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #70
I have no part in that debate. Nt dionysus Jan 2017 #71
They don't like it because IT APPLIES TO THEM nikto Jan 2017 #123
I love Naomi but this is a cheap argument. Neoliberalism is just a trendy term for the status quo Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #9
Ok. But "conservatism" has infiltrated the Democratic Party, truebluegreen Jan 2017 #14
Yup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nikto Jan 2017 #19
the New Deal died with Reagan... and liberal Democrats have a bad track record of getting elected Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #26
Yes there is a reason. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #28
am I right in assuming you think Sanders could have beat Trump? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #29
I think almost anyone else would have beaten Trump. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #30
IMHO, NO Dem or Independent ... LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #66
Agreed. Looking back on the Clinton administration, we can see that many Nay Jan 2017 #34
You really want to find the Democratic equivalent of Trump? ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #40
No, I want a democrat with some conviction and the ability to project it and convince others Nay Jan 2017 #68
The GOP spent years and billions convincing people... Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #76
Maybe I should have phrased it as "Dems SHOULD HAVE blah, blah, Nay Jan 2017 #81
Yes we do...and the states are most important now... Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #82
Intelligent answer nikto Jan 2017 #125
I agree on your feeling about the differing terms used nikto Jan 2017 #18
yes, a much better term! Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #25
You beat me to it re: the use of that word as Klein used it. stevenleser Jan 2017 #52
No she uses the term correctly Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #55
No, she doesn't. That's bullshit. It does not apply to Democrats. It MIGHT apply to Libertarians stevenleser Jan 2017 #59
that's my impression exactly Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #73
Bingo Boomer Jan 2017 #20
I'm with you nikto Jan 2017 #111
Yes, 1000 times, yes. This is what tacking to the center as corporatists has brought us. TonyPDX Jan 2017 #22
Right...because we have so much power...if you wanted to do that ...then electing Hillary was the Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #75
Great article! PatsFan87 Jan 2017 #24
So busy attacking the mythical "neoliberalism" - forgot to defend against the real live fascists. baldguy Jan 2017 #31
It's not mythical killbotfactory Jan 2017 #33
Noeliberals are Nazis & fascists? baldguy Jan 2017 #35
Right? ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #39
How the hell did you get that from my post? killbotfactory Jan 2017 #41
From your words. baldguy Jan 2017 #42
Yep, let's just pretend neoliberal economic ideas don't exist killbotfactory Jan 2017 #44
Let's just pretend that neoliberalism is EXACTLY THE SAME as Nazism. baldguy Jan 2017 #46
Take a deep breath, and listen...re-read the posts you are replying to Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #58
Nope, that person doesnt need to do anything. They understand the real meaning of the word. nt stevenleser Jan 2017 #60
It's just another variation of the RW "Democrats same as Republicans" bullshit. baldguy Jan 2017 #85
Agreed. And it's tiresome. These folks just need to specify what policies they want that they aren't stevenleser Jan 2017 #86
It is how a narrative works. Rex Jan 2017 #94
Funny the supposed "liberals" attacking mainstream Dems always seem to use RW talking points. baldguy Jan 2017 #108
It's mythical as used by Kline and many here and a poor substitute for actually making an argument stevenleser Jan 2017 #51
Trite and superficial, only to the uninformed Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #61
Intelligent response nikto Jan 2017 #126
Well, Wikipedia can be edited Fiendish Thingy Jan 2017 #62
K & R Duppers Jan 2017 #36
K & R! jalan48 Jan 2017 #37
Oh for Fucks sake what disingenuous bullshit ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #38
Racism Sexism and voter suppression are all real, and I think Klein should have framed her argument JCanete Jan 2017 #43
A basic problem in the Democratic party is that neoliberals and traditional call them New Deal PufPuf23 Jan 2017 #64
Some of them will never come around nikto Jan 2017 #128
"A good chunk of Trumps support could be peeled away if there were a genuine redistributive agenda Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #69
Trump does not have much support....he won Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #78
Trump didn't rig the system. The system is rigged in favor of Republicans over Democrats every time. JCanete Jan 2017 #87
Yes he did. He actively worked with Putin Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #92
If they hacked the machines I agree. If they offered up fake news...well that's a fucking drop JCanete Jan 2017 #93
This election was stolen. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #97
but was it stolen by Russia or the GOP? if by the GOP, well they steal it just about every time JCanete Jan 2017 #98
GOP is who stole it nikto Jan 2017 #127
Catapulting Trumps propaganda..... not surprised we're seeing this again. bettyellen Jan 2017 #133
No naomi, you are to blame...and people like you who refused to support the only Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #74
Why are you digging up this hot take from seven weeks ago? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #88
There will never be a shortage of people telling me who to blame. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #90
K&R Rex Jan 2017 #95
F'k Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nikto Jan 2017 #129
Klein milestogo Jan 2017 #96
Absolutely correct. Lunabell Jan 2017 #130
As usual, Klein gets it. My first non-Democratic vote ever 1996 for Greens. Clinton Republican-lite. snowy owl Jan 2017 #141
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Naomi Klein: Neoliberalis...»Reply #89