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LibraLiz1973

(8,197 posts)
20. That's some Fox News BS
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 04:07 AM
Jan 2017

They aren't equally as bad.

To begin with- no candidate is ideal. None. I'm of the opinion that if you're in so deep that you can launch a bid for the Presidency, you stepped on a lot of necks to get there. It takes a certain kind of person to want that responsibility- and a large part of it is ego driven. Especially within the last 30 or so years, you can see the difference the celebrity of it has made. (Thanks Reagan!)

Real talk- Trump and Clinton aren't even comparable and anyone who says they are is ignorant.

Donald is a man who has done NOTHING with his privilege. Nothing. He bought beauty pageant. He joked about how he grabbed women by the pussy. He cheated on his wives. He cheated thousands of contractors and workers out of money. He filed for bankruptcy 6 times. He was saved from bankruptcy more than that by his daddy, who used to go into the Trump casinos and purposely lose money so Donny could pay the rent. He isn't charitable. He calls women fat pigs. He mocks the disabled. He gives every one of his adversaries a mocking nickname. "Little Marco." "Lyin' Ted." "Crooked Hillary". He's coarse and crude. He never showed his fucking tax returns (to this very moment I can't believe people voted for a man they had NO CLUE who he really is, what he earns or what/who he owes). He hates everyone who doesn't love him. On his best day he's seriously unstable. On his worst, he's psychotic.

Clinton didn't come through for Benghazi- but according to Colin Powell, the ambassador who was killed wasn't doing his job properly either. I would say A LOT of people weren't doing their job- and that includes the President and congress. Four lives were lost in Benghazi. During Bush's tenure there were 13 embassy attacks that resulted in 60+ deaths. Where were the hearings?

Oh, right.

There weren't any.

Next up is her paid speeches to Wall Street. Look, I agree on this one. It was stupid. She KNEW she was going to run, which makes it incredibly short-sighted and completely illogical for her to have made those choices. I believe she thought it would be easy this time (running for President). She was VERY wrong. I still voted for her because- unlike the idiots who thought they were making some big stand against corruption by sitting at home and picking boogers- I could clearly see the difference between the two candidates. For me it was a no brainer.

People who trash the Clinton Foundation are uninformed. That's more Fox news propaganda. Damn near EVERY bs story that came out about the foundation was easily disproven. Again- let's compare. Trump's charity doled out than 30k. Just as an example... The Clinton foundation gives 88% of what they raised (over 220 million) back out in 2016. So... where's the fire? What was wrong with the foundation? The Clinton foundation gets either an A or a B+ from every charity review I could find. Trump got fucking shut down by the New York AG because HIS charity wasn't even legit!!!!

Trump got caught buying portraits of himself with charity money. He got caught paying over 250k from said charity to settle his legal problems. He gave 25k to Pam Bondi (Florida AG) from the Trump charity-- and everyone knows it was to keep her from investigating Trump U.

Hillary had a PROVABLE and very well documented history of helping others. There is NO proof Trump has ever helped anyone-- and reporters spent MONTHS trying to find where/when he donated to charity. They came up with jack shit. So IMHO any fucker that brings up the Clinton Foundation as an argument for not voting for her is a straight up idiot. They let the most crooked piece of shit ever get elected because they didn't want to vote for a woman with the last name Clinton.

On to the emails. I have never been able to give two crooked fucks about this. Plenty of her emails WERE there and all they told us was that she's boring.

Republicans in power spent tens of millions of dollars- money that could've been used to help, say, Veterans- to investigate every single thing she ever did. Those investigations went on for years- and they never. found. shit.

Donald has been accused of rape by a girl who was a minor at the time of the incident. Donald's first wife said one night he got violent with her and "it felt like rape." She never retracted that statement.

He's a provably horrible person, the absolute worst. But they were both equally bad, apparently.

Serious eye roll with that one.

Finally, I had to laugh when that Russian shit leaked against Trump. In it we learned that they had a file on Hillary as well- but unlike Donald, they didn't HAVE anything to blackmail her with. What I got from that is that our government tried to fuck her and failed. And the Russians tried to, and failed. because at the end of the day, she REALLY IS just a political worker bee.

No one who sat at home (refusing to vote like they were still a damn toddler) should be proud of themselves. The differences between Clinton and Trump were massive. And for everyone who thought there would be "no difference" between the two, I point to:

Exhibit A: She would never sit around like a psychopath to whine and tweet every single morning
Exhibit B: She would never have criticized our intelligence agencies and then praised Russia
Exhibit C: She would never have attacked CNN like that
Exhibit D: She would never have tweeted comparing the press to "Nazi Germany"
Exhibit E: She never had one of her supporters (Omarosa) go on TV to declare that Trump haters would one day have to "bow to President Trump."

I could go on and on and on and on. The differences were night and day. Anyone who ignored that will have a heavy weight to carry on their shoulders when this shit goes WAY south.



It was all emails and "everyone hates her" repeated over and over again for months..... bettyellen Jan 2017 #1
PROPAGANDA done well. MaeScott Jan 2017 #40
Months? YEARS. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #41
Willie Pep? Hoyt Jan 2017 #2
Yep! Willie Pep Jan 2017 #4
millions just like your friend stayed home, for the same reasons putitinD Jan 2017 #3
Funny how an allegedly intelligent person fell for the email crock brush Jan 2017 #43
This!!!!! check077 Jan 2017 #45
So some of these non voters claim Doreen Jan 2017 #5
They didn't need to believe Trump. The MSM ran with RW anti-Hillary propaganda tblue37 Jan 2017 #14
You can't really blame the MSM totally The REAL BLAME lays with the Pubs They HATE her, & napi21 Jan 2017 #22
Joediss Joediss Jan 2017 #28
I have ZERO respect for anyone who didn't vote LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #6
+1000 oasis Jan 2017 #17
+10,000 Nonhlanhla Jan 2017 #34
To continue the trend, BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #39
Agree! check077 Jan 2017 #46
Hopefully by the time his 60 he will realize his mistake.... Historic NY Jan 2017 #7
ding ding ding! You nailed it LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #10
Bill Clinton said it best and it fell on deaf ears............ Historic NY Jan 2017 #15
I don't think he'll do anything any of the other rethugs wouldn't do. dionysus Jan 2017 #18
I think his stance on Russia guarantees he'll do things they wouldn't LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #21
And China- I'm wondering if his deals were going bad there or they wanted to recall loans or bettyellen Jan 2017 #49
Sorry for the bitchy tone, BTW LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #8
No worries. Willie Pep Jan 2017 #11
That's some Fox News BS LibraLiz1973 Jan 2017 #20
The emails/Clinton foundation were both fake scandals. He just doesn't want to own up to fucking up. brush Jan 2017 #44
AMEN! nt SylviaD Jan 2017 #53
I heard a lot of the same from 2naSalit Jan 2017 #9
Please slap your friend in the face with a dead trout Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #12
The right has a huge, raucous, screaming propaganda machine. Kablooie Jan 2017 #13
Keyword repeated through post "He". Just another guy making excuses for their sexism. TeamPooka Jan 2017 #16
these type of people are followers . they try to act like nobody is good enough but their reasons JI7 Jan 2017 #19
United steel workers ConSciousReset Jan 2017 #23
Emails BainsBane Jan 2017 #24
I have a neighbor who didn't vote because she knew here in Connecticut Hillary m-lekktor Jan 2017 #25
Yes, I think the electoral college discourages people from voting Zing Zing Zingbah Jan 2017 #36
I completely agree.nt m-lekktor Jan 2017 #37
46% of eligible voters did not vote after a crazy man spent 18 months spewing hatred and lies. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #26
Does he pay his parents rent or stay at their house for free? nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #27
What a terrible thing it would have been, to have had a President who used email. dawg Jan 2017 #29
I've crossed off all Hillary-haters and non-voters from my "Friends" list. Paladin Jan 2017 #30
This sounds like the typical voted for Trump but won't admit it kcr Jan 2017 #31
This is what I don't get. Assuming for the sake of argument Hillary is corrupt, why would you Vinca Jan 2017 #32
Because he's new hollowdweller Jan 2017 #42
That doesn't make any sense. betsuni Jan 2017 #33
Your friend is too picky. Zing Zing Zingbah Jan 2017 #35
The problem was MichMary Jan 2017 #38
The media kept pounding the fact that they azmom Jan 2017 #47
My son who is a big Ron Paul type ribrepin Jan 2017 #48
Was He Bombarded w/anti-Hillary Memes? otohara Jan 2017 #50
Sorry but after watching that maggot during the primary and thinking you should give him any onecaliberal Jan 2017 #51
I weep for humanity Generator Jan 2017 #56
And he's not stupid because.... Iggo Jan 2017 #52
I have a good friend who also didn't vote this election time. I was stunned because I figured all CTyankee Jan 2017 #54
If you have the capacity to acknowledge that Trump is a racist misogynist... SaschaHM Jan 2017 #55
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