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RBInMaine

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22. You make some good points, however, as a gun owner myself, I would say the following:
Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:23 AM
Apr 2013

The law that was just defeated is OVERWHELMINGLY supported by the American people, INCLUDING gun owners, and was proposed as a compromise measure by a conservative Democrat and a conservative Republican with A-Ratings from the NRA, and yet STILL failed. It is a measure the NRA once said they APPROVED. So gun owners' interests were certainly considered.

How could this happen? It happened because the NRA mobilized its core of folks who lobbied hard against it along with its chief paid lobbyists, and, just as the President said, they LIED to gin up that core base and make them think it would lead to a national registry. They LIE to make their most vocal folks oppose ANY, I say again, ANY new gun control legislation. As the President pointed out, people understand that the background checks law was NOT a threat to law abiding gun owners' to own guns, hunt, etc. In fact, the current gun control movement CONSTANTLY says that. Many in it are gun owners themselves, including Gabby Giffords. So the current movement is a huge shift away from being "anti gun" to one of "let's improve current laws and practices and make them more effective while respecting the rights of safe and law abiding gun owners".

The NRA is a longstanding, highly financed lobby with a very long experience with their propaganda and political lobbying. They know what buttons to push with their base, and they know how to intimidate ANYONE who tries to counter them. They have a very vocal and politically active core, and they will run viscious attack ads against politicians who oppose them. This is a highly financed, highly experienced, longstanding and powerful lobby, and THAT is what scares the politicians. They are NOT intimidated by those who are NOT organized. Political weight is thrown through ORGANIZATION. And believe me that if there was a counter organization just as powerful as the NRA, that extremely popular bill would most likely have passed.

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The NRA is not only well-organized, it is extremely well-funded. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #1
Absolutely. They are a lobbying arm for big gun companies. I do say big $ is needed. RBInMaine Apr 2013 #18
Maybe we need to rev up MADD again but this time make it Mothers Against Cleita Apr 2013 #2
Or "AMERICANS AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE". It needs to be VERY inclusive. RBInMaine Apr 2013 #19
That would work too. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #30
great idea! Very inclusive & a narrow common sense focus, where the majority agree Sunlei Apr 2013 #33
adding, I think a positive name rather than using the word 'against' would be best Sunlei Apr 2013 #37
I have been thinking exactly the same thing. BlueStreak Apr 2013 #3
Exactly along the lines of what I have been thinking. Thanks. RBInMaine Apr 2013 #20
I thought the anti-NRA was the Brady Campaign rightsideout Apr 2013 #4
That was good for awhile but has faded out. The NRA has STAYING POWER, and that is what our side RBInMaine Apr 2013 #21
Brady OPPOSED the NRA. The OP proposes something completely different. BlueStreak Apr 2013 #35
The main problem is not the 4.5 million NRA members and their leadership. ... spin Apr 2013 #5
You need to envision life without a gun in your pants on city streets. Hoyt Apr 2013 #11
Thanks for your concern. (n/t) spin Apr 2013 #12
My concern is not for those who thumb their guns against society. Hoyt Apr 2013 #15
If so you should be concerned with criminals and the truly mentally insane... spin Apr 2013 #16
Those who do not carry guns in public, are far less likely to shoot/intimidate someone than CCWers. Hoyt Apr 2013 #32
Obviously a person who does not own a gun is unlikely to have it stolen ... spin Apr 2013 #42
Your having a gun has done nothing to reduce crime rates. If anything Hoyt Apr 2013 #43
most firearms Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #13
Fortunately that many don't see need to carry, 96+% routinely venture out without a gun Hoyt Apr 2013 #14
Spin gives a well thought out comment premium Apr 2013 #34
I'm sure it is well thought out, mirroring NRA position and that of gun supporters like yourself. Hoyt Apr 2013 #38
You never fail to disappoint. premium Apr 2013 #39
It's Sunday, try not to play with your guns today. Hoyt Apr 2013 #40
Ah, something different this time. premium Apr 2013 #41
You make some good points, however, as a gun owner myself, I would say the following: RBInMaine Apr 2013 #22
I'm hoping the Gabby Giffords/Mark Kelly organization will get disaffected NRA members who applegrove Apr 2013 #6
Not if they are talking about gun bans. hack89 Apr 2013 #27
Gun owners will get politically involved to keep owning guns... krispos42 Apr 2013 #7
actually one of them might well have dsc Apr 2013 #8
He killed 4 kids and one adult per minute, for five minutes. krispos42 Apr 2013 #9
who DOES that? Skittles Apr 2013 #10
Guns don't kill people, but they make it EASIER. I own guns myself, but believe we need to have some RBInMaine Apr 2013 #24
I definitely agree with you about Wall Street. (n/t) spin Apr 2013 #17
With every respect, it seems you have bought into the "Do nothing." crowd's argument. RBInMaine Apr 2013 #23
Not really "do nothing" as the "do effective". krispos42 Apr 2013 #28
People will get involved to keep children from dying. I have faith in Americans. RBInMaine Apr 2013 #25
Except that these laws will not prevent people that snap from going on killing sprees. krispos42 Apr 2013 #31
Google "Here's Why The NRA Won And Gabby Giffords And Mike Bloomberg Lost" by Mother Jones. RBInMaine Apr 2013 #26
"Background Checks" Big Tent Apr 2013 #29
By that reasoning, it shouldn't be illegal for Grandpa to share a bottle of Scotch BlueStreak Apr 2013 #36
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #44
30,000 gun deaths per year is appalling cyberswede May 2013 #45
that one did not last long niyad May 2013 #47
One of the jurors said "I vote to tread on him" cyberswede May 2013 #48
yes, I thought that was great. wonder which sock this was? niyad May 2013 #49
awwww, your screen name is so cute--nobody would ever get it. enjoy what will, no doubt, niyad May 2013 #46
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