2016 Postmortem

Cha

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58. Posters are lying about the facts. And, your calling us "un-American" is

Reply to CountAllVotes (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:03 AM

Jun 2013

is so 1950s.. Joe McCarthy style.

And, that shit doesn't fly around here.

NSA Bombshell Story Falling Apart Under Scrutiny; Key Facts Turning Out to Be Inaccurate

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"Canonizing bad reporting as a means of inciting a debate is as bad as no debate at all. Attachment to empirical reality must remain a central trait of the left, otherwise the progressive movement is no better than the non-reality based propagandists on the right who will say and do anything to further the conservative agenda. So perhaps some positive changes on domestic spying are eventually achieved, but at what cost? Greenwald, who doesn’t really care about “left and right,” isn’t concerned with anything other than his personal agenda and clearly he’s willing to do whatever it takes in pursuit of those goals. Specifics presently."

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http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/nsa-story-falling-apart-under-scrutiny-key-facts-turning-out-to-be-inaccurate/

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why are so many on our side falling for this"scandal"? [View all] veganlush Jun 2013 OP

so you're perfectly happy to trade freedom for a political gain? bowens43 Jun 2013 #1

it's logs, not warrentless wire taps veganlush Jun 2013 #2

Wow. Do you even listen to yourself? Android3.14 Jun 2013 #3

so who should they track? veganlush Jun 2013 #8

They should track those that they have probable cause to track. No more no less. LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #19

where does probable cause come from? veganlush Jun 2013 #44

That's not the definition of probable cause at all. premium Jun 2013 #49

The officer is policing a public event LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #56

why the strawman? veganlush Jun 2013 #61

There isn't any strawman. You are looking for exceptions and excuses. LiberalFighter Jun 2013 #62

so there's no value veganlush Jun 2013 #63

Wow, premium Jun 2013 #20

Re: 4th Amendment: Let's not forget the word "unreasonable." WeekendWarrior Jun 2013 #30

This right here is what makes me sad that you see premium Jun 2013 #33

I'm sorry you're sad, but in what way is it harming the innocent? WeekendWarrior Jun 2013 #35

Just the fact that the govt is collecting data on innocent americans premium Jun 2013 #36

HOW IS IT HARMING ANYONE? WeekendWarrior Jun 2013 #37

WHO THE FUCK CARES IF IT'S NOT HARMING INNOCENT AMERICANS? premium Jun 2013 #38

All right, then WeekendWarrior Jun 2013 #39

Show us the probable cause for obtaining a blanket warrant premium Jun 2013 #40

You haven't answered a single one of my questions WeekendWarrior Jun 2013 #41

And you refuse to show how there is probable cause for a warrant from premium Jun 2013 #42

There is no warrant WeekendWarrior Jun 2013 #43

Knowing who you talk to, and when, is an invasion of privacy muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #60

Government actions does have to cause some type of harm treestar Jun 2013 #46

So you're ok with the NSA collecting the data premium Jun 2013 #47

Do you know about the doctrine of "standing?" treestar Jun 2013 #48

I agree with you Freddie Jun 2013 #52

The NSA is wasting valueable time and resources tracking innocent people ShadowLiberal Jun 2013 #65

No, they're not tracking anyone. They're keeping a database so that pnwmom Jun 2013 #22

Thank you for interjecting facts. nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #24

That's a complete mischaracterization of what they're doing WeekendWarrior Jun 2013 #32

Wow grammiepammie Jun 2013 #51

+1 andlor Jun 2013 #14

What freedom have you traded? Name it. WeekendWarrior Jun 2013 #28

What freedom am I giving up? Are you like Piers Morgan, "this the WORST civil rights violation EVER" MH1 Jun 2013 #50

Obama is not off the hook in my book CountAllVotes Jun 2013 #4

I'm awaiting your better solution. veganlush Jun 2013 #9

Obama added court oversight back in, where bush had gone without it. veganlush Jun 2013 #10

There's more to it than that. brush Jun 2013 #12

Posters are lying about the facts. And, your calling us "un-American" is Cha Jun 2013 #58

Here's the important 2006 story. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #5

Mark Kline. pilar007 Jun 2013 #66

Probably kickin' himself in the rear. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #67

Because we evolved past sheep? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #6

Or did you just change herds? savalez Jun 2013 #54

yes, this is why we need to get rid of the Rs in Congress, they love and vote for this crap. Sunlei Jun 2013 #7

Its parent was the Patriot Act. The only D who voted against that was Russ Feingold, Myrina Jun 2013 #16

biz zaire, the usa crammed those laws in 10 days..now we have to spend trillions to feed the monster Sunlei Jun 2013 #18

The radar gun scans us all as we drive randr Jun 2013 #11

I'm not. I figured this was going on since back in bu$h years... Triana Jun 2013 #13

I'm not crazy about it Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2013 #15

Well, considering they were monitoring the Tsarnaev's & still didn't stop the Boston bombing ... Myrina Jun 2013 #17

you nailed it CountAllVotes Jun 2013 #21

that's one case treestar Jun 2013 #23

Because they've been looking for reasons to hate Obama all along MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #25

and we have a winner!! dlwickham Jun 2013 #31

It's another trumped-up "scandal" Freddie Jun 2013 #53

all the other scandals fell apart so they called their buddy Glen Greenwald. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #57

Before that even..he's the guy who Cha Jun 2013 #59

uhhhh, because I have a verizon phone and i'm pissed off? markiv Jun 2013 #26

Wait till the big Benghazi scandal of 2020. bunnies Jun 2013 #27

I don't know, but it's odd that the same people on DU fall for these "scandals" every time. tridim Jun 2013 #29

That Tree is infected with worms. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #34

You mean there is gaming going on here! polynomial Jun 2013 #45

people have good reason creon Jun 2013 #55

Let me put it this way: So many on our side support Chris Christie in NJ. Anything's possible. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #64

The GOP is all in support of the Patriot Act UCmeNdc Jun 2013 #68