2016 Postmortem

Carolina

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271. you are definitely putting the cart before horse

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:54 PM

Sep 2013

I never said stay home, but I sure as hell will never vote for Hillary. PERIOD. I don't even think she's that smart. Her 2008 campaign was a disaster based on an arrogant sense of inevitability and poor choices of campaign aides and managers. And recall, she was the one who brought toe-sucking slime Morris back in the Clintons' good graces while Bill was POTUS 'til he turned on them like little Georgie Stephanopoolose (typo intended).

And BTW, if it had not been for some Democrats voting for Clarence Thomas, he would not be on SCOTUS. Recall, it was Biden who was head of the Senate Judiciary Committee at the time and he wasn't particularly sensitive to Anita Hill. Thurgood Marshall had called Clarence a snake and some Dems didn't listen!

We need NEW blood... no more Clintons, Kerrys, Bidens and others of their ilk. Also, speaking of collateral damage, we already have that with the sequester, with failure to take on the too big to failures and Wall Street, with these 3rd way appointments... and your breed of leader doesn't give a horse's ass about the collateral damage of our wars which breeds blowback. So spare me this tripe.

As cali so eloquently put it in another post regarding HRC and third way types: been there, done that, fuck that!

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I want Elizabeth Warren to run. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #122

there's no one cleaner than Elizabeth Always Randy Jul 2013 #129

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I don't know. But I think she would do well. We need better banking regulation and most JDPriestly Oct 2013 #417

Elections are not won on seat of the pants feel good--- Always Randy Oct 2013 #420

Elizabeth Warren's poll numbers are rising. Hillary is much higher but peaking. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #421

Please provide the link that shows EW rising Always Randy Oct 2013 #422

Warren's poll numbers are rising. Hillary's have nowhere to do but down - and her history predicts JDPriestly Oct 2013 #423

OK --when do you think Elizabeth will announce? Always Randy Oct 2013 #431

I don't care whether she announces. I think we should draft her as a candidate. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #432

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Remains to be seen. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #500

If she wins Iowa and New Hampshire I'll contribute to her campaign. But neither has announced, even. ancianita Aug 2014 #496

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Agreed that she's not good presidential material. From the standpoint of no international work and ancianita Aug 2014 #501

Ethically and morally i think Elizabeth Warren should have her face on Mt. Rushmore Always Randy Aug 2014 #506

She would not be a good candidate for the Supreme Court. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #511

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Of course she is not interested now Always Randy Jul 2013 #119

I think Warren would win. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #121

ok----when will Elizabeth make the announcement Always Randy Jul 2013 #130

Has Hillary already announced? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #131

now she did Always Randy Apr 2015 #561

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Oh I think he "announced" at the Democratic convention in Boston--- Always Randy Sep 2013 #291

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Anyone who gets elected will owe a debt to big money contributors. juajen Sep 2013 #361

don't we all---even EW Always Randy Sep 2013 #393

thank you----do you think EW will announce for 2016 Always Randy Sep 2013 #292

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this is so right Always Randy Sep 2013 #363

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Hillary is not my pick----she is electable over another Bush/Cheney Always Randy Jul 2013 #100

Were you talking to me? juajen Jul 2013 #168

she is just what those wackos in Congress need to see Always Randy Oct 2013 #413

When she lived in the White House, she was called Mrs. Clinton. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #135

There is an archaic need for men to claim women by encouraging or forcing them juajen Jul 2013 #169

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ok - are you the resurrection of graham4anything? karynnj Sep 2013 #343

We both know the answer to that one davidpdx Jul 2014 #469

Seems pretty obvious - too many similarities karynnj Jul 2014 #472

it is worse---I have no idea who this graham is Always Randy Jul 2014 #474

I'm reminded of why I never changed my last name SheilaT Sep 2013 #231

Sheila ---you might also be critical of Hillary about the Lewinsky issue Always Randy Sep 2013 #293

She is smarter than Bill, I agree. In fact she's smarter than most. Little Star Sep 2013 #301

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keep your friends close, and your enemies closer Always Randy Sep 2013 #366

There is no way I'll vote for Clinton in a primary. No way. nt stillwaiting Oct 2013 #401

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How did most of those work in 2008 ? n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #2

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I think he will if Hillary is the Democratic Nominee but do you expect Obama to endorse Clinton PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #12

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Obama had been a state senator. Beacool Jul 2013 #45

7% is not "barely" karynnj Sep 2013 #204

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ugh Marblehead Jul 2013 #3

have you seen the poll numbers for Warren and Hillary in Massachusetts ? Always Randy Jul 2013 #20

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Because 10 years without a new war MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #6

That's a very catchy phrase! polichick Jul 2013 #15

Thanks! I think it will work well for her. nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #19

manny ---thank you for the response--have you seen the Mass. poll for Eliizabeth Always Randy Jul 2013 #21

Warren will do fantastically MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #37

OK Manny----so we both like Elizabeth Warren Always Randy Jul 2013 #46

Only 39 months. Her candidacy is doomed. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #51

I am a big supporter of Elizabeth Warren. juajen Jul 2013 #89

thank you juajen Always Randy Jul 2013 #102

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I assume this could reflect Massachusetts reluctance to lose another Senator karynnj Sep 2013 #205

well MA is a dem stronghold Always Randy Sep 2013 #296

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Hillary's stands against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #460

Did she initiate these wars or did Bush do it? Beacool Jun 2014 #461

She thought they were a good idea. MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #462

If she had been president, or any other Democrat for that matter, Beacool Jun 2014 #463

Certainly, we can agree that most Democrats voted against attacking Iraq MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #464

Dude, go post another one of your witty threads. Beacool Jun 2014 #465

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So, to be clear, you're thinking she did the right thing in voting to attack Iraq? nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2014 #467

To be crystal clear---let's qualify it Always Randy Jul 2014 #476

I like Elizabeth too Always Randy Jul 2013 #7

Just because they're likeable, doesn't mean they're your friend. Wilms Jul 2013 #9

thank you Wilms Always Randy Jul 2013 #24

It's way too early. And hitching the party to a Clinton??? Wilms Jul 2013 #32

thank you for your continued responseI used to believe in "early" Always Randy Jul 2013 #39

So ---how far does the support for Warren go Always Randy Jul 2013 #11

Of course, I cannot, I suppose, choose to vote for anything but a Democrat in 2016, djean111 Jul 2013 #13

Thank you Djean Always Randy Jul 2013 #16

I don't think many of them will. djean111 Jul 2013 #28

thank you again Djean---in the past few days 2016 snuck up on us Always Randy Jul 2013 #33

I think at least some will, and will lie about it. Jim Lane Jul 2013 #50

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I thank you and Always Randy for your thoughtful input! djean111 Jul 2013 #57

I don't think many GOP women at all will vote for Hillary--after all, she killed Vince Foster! She Nay Sep 2013 #356

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How dare you compare Hillary Clinton to dumbnuts? juajen Jul 2013 #90

I was responding to the "women will of course vote for a woman" meme. djean111 Jul 2013 #99

Dumb Presidents make dumb decisions. Brains are very important. juajen Jul 2013 #173

and more than likely they were being coached and groomed by a woman Always Randy Jul 2013 #180

Oh please. Way to twist around what I said. Feh. djean111 Jul 2013 #182

I can actually do "snide" very well, and I refute your accusation. juajen Sep 2013 #214

Refute away! djean111 Sep 2013 #218

I do beg your pardon if I didn't know you were a woman. juajen Sep 2013 #339

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That was a tad vague, don't you think? juajen Sep 2013 #217

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The Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement seems to be a hard nut to crack. juajen Sep 2013 #347

I think a thread on the TPP would be good - but then again, perhaps a thread of its own djean111 Sep 2013 #348

Excuse me, I asked for no links. juajen Sep 2013 #390

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do you have a Always Randy Sep 2013 #395

the next election cycle is all about GENDER Always Randy Sep 2013 #396

not for this woman. djean111 Oct 2013 #397

If you are not supporting women Always Randy Oct 2013 #400

this type of civil discourse Always Randy Oct 2013 #398

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Hillary is the Republicans worst nightmare Always Randy Jul 2013 #103

I agree, it shouldn't be a gender issue davidpdx Jul 2013 #96

this is not a flawed assumption ---but rather one supported by the polls Always Randy Jul 2013 #104

Polls that are based on the assumption that davidpdx Jul 2013 #112

that is good----and the best part about the Democratic Party is Always Randy Jul 2013 #132

First of all Graham davidpdx Jul 2013 #141

Sorry I missed this---I am not "Graham" Always Randy Sep 2013 #374

present Always Randy Sep 2013 #389

please tell me who Graham is? Always Randy Oct 2013 #418

It must be killing you inside davidpdx Oct 2013 #419

nothing is killing me inside except the burrito I had last night Always Randy Oct 2013 #425

do you have polls supporting this Always Randy Sep 2013 #381

Unfortunately, it will be a "gender issue". juajen Sep 2013 #216

You are spot on!----A women President will also free men Always Randy Sep 2013 #300

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The polls always favor the entrenched old school powerful. Obama's numbers were low too. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #18

Hillary is not going to run?? Always Randy Jul 2013 #22

There are plenty of groups supporting her possible bid, but she hasn't announced. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #23

My respect for Hillary began in Bill's first campaign Always Randy Jul 2013 #25

That will be the problem. Hillary has all the corporate power on her side. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #86

If they're smart, it will be Christy. Paul will never make it. juajen Jul 2013 #94

The Republicans are a little short on gray matter---they are not smart enough Always Randy Jul 2013 #133

Yep, that's why I said "if they are smart". They love committing suicide. juajen Jul 2013 #171

Republicans---Folksy????/ yeah sure Always Randy Jul 2013 #105

Besides her stint on the board of WalMart when she was juajen Jul 2013 #167

Hillary ----without an announcement--has a team in place Always Randy Jul 2013 #26

BTW that's a superpac and not under Clinton's direct control. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #31

we are talking about one powerful , ruthless politico Always Randy Jul 2013 #35

take a look at this one Always Randy Jul 2013 #138

You know that it is much too early for her to announce. juajen Jul 2013 #174

as sure as the sun comes up tomorrow Always Randy Jul 2013 #56

Yep, that she is, and yep, she can be ruthless. To be top dog, it juajen Jul 2013 #91

It's obvious that a large segment of the media wants her to run - and win tularetom Jul 2013 #30

I understand you completely---is there anyone building a team to primary her? Always Randy Jul 2013 #34

Our owners will pick someone currently unknown to us, to run in 2016. RC Jul 2013 #38

Another "Change" candidate ... blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #66

That's what I'm thinking. RC Jul 2013 #77

The no Way. = DLC, Iraq war, Corporate enabler. Hillary propaganda people go away plz on point Jul 2013 #40

thank you ON Point -let us not play in to the Republican Party's hands on this Always Randy Jul 2013 #41

You act as if Hillary was the only democrat that supported the Iraq war! juajen Jul 2013 #93

She wasn't, but I won't vote for any of the others either on point Jul 2013 #117

Good luck finding that paragon of virtue! juajen Jul 2013 #170

More on Hillary as a U.S. Senator from New york Always Randy Jul 2013 #177

kick Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #43

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you are exactly right Dawson Always Randy Jul 2013 #53

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Don't You Worry---this is sport for HRC Always Randy Jul 2013 #52

Actually, what Lott said was worse. Beacool Jul 2013 #60

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Interesting. Beacool Jul 2013 #139

Perot had a lot to do with that Rstrstx Jul 2013 #189

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BILL WON Carolina Sep 2013 #224

Your opinion. Beacool Sep 2013 #335

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GHWB was in the high 30% s in the weeks before the election. karynnj Sep 2013 #318

I know ---the Clintons are pretty powerful Always Randy Sep 2013 #321

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From my perspective, Hillary is unelectable. Maedhros Jul 2014 #480

I certainly admire your tenacity Always Randy Jul 2014 #485

Bottom line: at some point, Democratic Presidential candidates Maedhros Jul 2014 #486

So ---in the meantime you accept the current minimum wage? Always Randy Jul 2014 #488

No. And also, I don't accept the TPP, or drone warfare, or the Africom deployments, Maedhros Jul 2014 #490

I am still with you on all of that Always Randy Jul 2014 #491

What does Nader have to do with anything? Maedhros Jul 2014 #492

there were those who felt as you do then Always Randy Jul 2014 #493

I refuse to be bullied into voting for someone who will work against my interests. Maedhros Aug 2014 #494

i agree with you wholeheartedly Always Randy Aug 2014 #497

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I completely understand how you feel Always Randy Jul 2013 #64

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HRC: Queen of the Blue Dogs/Third Way/"New DEMS"/DLC/"Centrism"/Aristocracy/1% blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #69

that's good---who is your candidate Always Randy Jul 2013 #71

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Who is this "we" you are talking about? juajen Jul 2013 #175

Barack and Michelle owe the Clintons fuck all. n.t Whisp Jul 2013 #67

I can understand if you have been offended---have you? Always Randy Jul 2013 #72

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Yep, I love Grayson. juajen Jul 2013 #95

She's a DLC, 3rd way, corporate shill. Apophis Jul 2013 #76

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I'm tired of having it about winning. Apophis Jul 2013 #83

with 39 months to go --who has the team Always Randy Jul 2013 #107

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thank you Cali Always Randy Jul 2013 #193

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I was not aware that Elizabeth has announced Always Randy Jul 2013 #109

Add one more to that davidpdx Jul 2014 #470

thank you Always Randy Jul 2014 #475

Absoluteliy right! juajen Jul 2013 #87

The why: Elizabeth Warren has not even hinted she's running for President. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #88

Elizabeth Warren should be part of the Decomcratic infrastructure Always Randy Jul 2013 #110

I agree. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #118

you have an *ahem, interesting way of wording your thoughts... ---- Whisp Jul 2013 #125

I don't think i understand---should i say thank you Always Randy Jul 2013 #127

That's the reality check that the Left chooses to ignore. Beacool Jul 2013 #116

that's ok ---they are still on the same team as us Always Randy Jul 2013 #120

No Elizabeth Warren is NOT running for president Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2015 #572

gramham4anything is that you? davidpdx Jul 2013 #97

That crossed my mind too :-) djean111 Jul 2013 #113

Where is Graham? Beacool Jul 2013 #153

He got tombstoned a while back. Thank god. nt Nay Sep 2013 #357

I didn't know. Beacool Sep 2013 #358

some people think I am GRaham Always Randy Sep 2013 #380

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I would rec this but it has been attacked by the haters. liberal N proud Jul 2013 #101

I like your signature on tolerance Always Randy Jul 2013 #111

My guess is HRC is the best this party will nominate... polichick Jul 2013 #123

what we really need is another 3 or 4 elections of Democrats in the White House Always Randy Jul 2013 #128

The Obamas dont owe the clintons anything Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #134

thank you for your post--- Always Randy Jul 2013 #136

Keeping the old girl relevant??????? Beacool Jul 2013 #140

Well I am sure glad that I didn't say that about Hillary Always Randy Jul 2013 #143

lol your histrionics are amusing Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #144

Dustin---let me ask you this Always Randy Jul 2013 #145

seriously? Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #156

damned autofill Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #158

I still don't get it Always Randy Jul 2013 #161

Dustin---check my post today on Michelle Obama---tell me what you think Always Randy Jul 2013 #146

Dude, you have no clue............. Beacool Jul 2013 #147

hey ---that is a good topic Always Randy Jul 2013 #148

Randy, I got no time to waste with this guy. Beacool Jul 2013 #150

addios mi amiga Always Randy Jul 2013 #151

hold the mayo on that sandwich toots Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #159

How shall we describe ourselves on this site Always Randy Jul 2013 #165

Hey Dustin ---we are doing a little early analysis ---help us out Always Randy Jul 2013 #149

lets see if she even wins the nomination irst Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #155

Rolling Stone had it right. AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #264

Same here DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #152

That'll be difficult. Beacool Jul 2013 #154

and if she decided to make a stink DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #227

Hillary's voting record has was even less acceptable to me than Obama's. snot Jul 2013 #157

OK Snot--thank you for the post Always Randy Jul 2013 #166

I don't think Hillary will win those 6 states in 2016 Hippo_Tron Sep 2013 #297

Good analysis Hippo--But Hillary WILL make those Red States purple more than Obama could have Always Randy Sep 2013 #306

m'kay AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #176

Yes, if she is the ticket............... UCmeNdc Jul 2013 #181

No thanks. Splinter Cell Jul 2013 #183

thank you Splinter Always Randy Jul 2013 #184

Give me a break Splinter Cell Jul 2013 #185

OK--Rand Paul is in New Hamshire today with TEd Cruz Always Randy Jul 2013 #186

yeah, hilly is inevitable. been there. done that. fuck that. cali Jul 2013 #187

Agree, I prefer a progressive like Warren or Sherrod Brown mvd Jul 2013 #191

thank you mvd --I think Obama would have been able to a lot more if we didn't lose the house in 2010 Always Randy Jul 2013 #195

Well it seems from the beginning President Obama didn't want.. mvd Jul 2013 #196

Thank you again Cali---I'm really into seeing Democrats win Always Randy Jul 2013 #194

Here is an interesting list: Democrats that voted yes for the Iraq War juajen Sep 2013 #360

there was a colosssal lie being told to the cou ntry at this time Always Randy Sep 2013 #377

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Cali davidpdx Jul 2014 #471

Let's keep the Rs guessing and spending for many years to come. Sunlei Sep 2013 #198

Just say No. bigwillq Sep 2013 #199

I understand ---and respect your "NO" to Hillary but...... Always Randy Sep 2013 #206

I don't care if Hillary is a dead-lock to win in 2016... Chan790 Sep 2013 #202

Is a new Republican President a shortcut to your goals--- Always Randy Sep 2013 #207

I'd ask you the same question. Chan790 Sep 2013 #209

OK --let's take this apart --piece by piece---Appointment of the next Supreme Court Justice Always Randy Sep 2013 #235

You chose the wrong topic. Chan790 Sep 2013 #248

Kate Winslet just called Always Randy Sep 2013 #252

Really ???? SamKnause Sep 2013 #203

Perhaps Ted Cruz or Rand Paul Always Randy Sep 2013 #208

She understands how to work the system. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #221

People said the same Carolina Sep 2013 #223

What? Carolina Sep 2013 #225

Good Morning Ms Carolina----What am I smoking? Not Acapulco Gold--take a look at my brand Always Randy Sep 2013 #237

And to all those citations, Carolina Sep 2013 #239

how shall we fare in downticket if we don't support the leader Always Randy Sep 2013 #241

non sequitor Carolina Sep 2013 #244

OK Carolina---is your answer "stay home" on Election day if Hillary is the nominee Always Randy Sep 2013 #245

you are definitely putting the cart before horse Carolina Sep 2013 #271

Joe Biden is responsible for giving the job to Clarence "Long Dong Silver" Thomas warrant46 Sep 2013 #303

that was exactly my point Carolina Sep 2013 #311

I agree with you warrant46 Sep 2013 #312

Hello Carolina---thank you again Always Randy Sep 2013 #319

I think Hillary has a good chance of winning cash__whatiwant Sep 2013 #226

Thank you Cash---Hillary playing dirty? Always Randy Sep 2013 #238

Y es cash__whatiwant Sep 2013 #328

you are so right on that Always Randy Sep 2013 #337

Who needs to play the weak angle when you can be openly complicit and TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #438

The truly scary thing about all this SheilaT Sep 2013 #232

Hi Sheila---thank you for your response--Here is a Conservative spin from the Daily Beast Always Randy Sep 2013 #240

Well if a Republican conservative columnist at the Daily Beast SheilaT Sep 2013 #265

have you seen any of the work done by "Ready for Hillary" Always Randy Sep 2013 #281

This woman votes policies, not personalities - even female personalities. polichick Sep 2013 #236

Au contrar Ms Polichik---check in on Emily's list and a new site listed below Always Randy Sep 2013 #242

This woman, as in I, can only... polichick Sep 2013 #243

Thank you Polichik--who is your candidate Always Randy Sep 2013 #246

Nobody has said they're running... polichick Sep 2013 #247

OK ----what is you opinion of Always Randy Sep 2013 #249

I don't have an opinion of them as candidates... polichick Sep 2013 #250

Well the "good old boys" club hasn't done too well at this Always Randy Sep 2013 #253

That old "electable" story has been used to elevate corporate candidates... polichick Sep 2013 #256

If you recall Hillary was the US Senator from New York on 9/11 Always Randy Sep 2013 #259

Sorry, not buying the old DLC story about electability and idealism, etc... polichick Sep 2013 #261

maybe we are on the same page Always Randy Sep 2013 #268

I don't think she'll run anyway - she probably feels... polichick Sep 2013 #269

if the winds were hurrican level she would not stop Always Randy Sep 2013 #270

I guess she could try to fashion herself into an anti-war populist. :) polichick Sep 2013 #272

Polichick you are so right Always Randy Sep 2013 #275

I was kidding - who would buy HRC as anti-war populist? polichick Sep 2013 #276

People change Always Randy Sep 2013 #278

have you had a chance to check out Wendy Davis or Allison Grimes yet Always Randy Sep 2013 #369

Thanks for those links Always Randy..... Little Star Sep 2013 #304

You are welcome Little Star Always Randy Sep 2013 #309

I liked it very much. In fact I started a thread.... Little Star Sep 2013 #314

I just looked at the site Always Randy Sep 2013 #315

I would love to see Elizabeth Warren as chief executive! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #251

so would I Always Randy Sep 2013 #255

Simply, No. 2banon Sep 2013 #257

Ahhhhhhhhh---Frida Always Randy Sep 2013 #260

Frida kahlo is a favorite of mine Always Randy Oct 2013 #430

down ticket thinking should let our intellect control our emotions Always Randy Sep 2013 #258

She is a horrible decision maker. No Thanks! Whisp Sep 2013 #262

oh yeah AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #263

Thank you Atomic Kitten for your response Always Randy Sep 2013 #267

not my quote - ask the author AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #273

well --it's brilliant anyway----in Hillary's favor Always Randy Sep 2013 #274

Her bash level here on DU seems to be lower than nationwide Always Randy Sep 2013 #266

That's not a 65% approval rate. That is 65% who say they would vote for her in the primary at this musicblind Sep 2013 #362

Yes --I do Always Randy Sep 2013 #384

Well, I'm not afraid to say it... Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #279

thank you Auntie---I think there is about 20% on DU that hate her Always Randy Sep 2013 #280

Seems like only that 20% post on here. Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #313

well sometimes people can not accept reality Always Randy Sep 2013 #316

That's nothing new. Beacool Sep 2013 #344

Nice to have someone confirm that! Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #345

She and Bill love banks and wars. What more could Democrats want? JDPriestly Sep 2013 #298

Yes I like her too---which election cycle are we talking about? Always Randy Sep 2013 #299

Your post illustrates the problem Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #302

thank you D I K Always Randy Sep 2013 #305

OK --just saying---suppose the Koch Bros Always Randy Sep 2013 #334

Let's worry about 2014 FIRST. 4dsc Sep 2013 #325

I am starting to think she is not the shoo-in we are to believe she is, djean111 Sep 2013 #326

Hello djean111 --thank you for posting Always Randy Sep 2013 #330

I am under the impression that one of the reasons she is being touted is that she already has a war djean111 Sep 2013 #333

thank you for your response Always Randy Sep 2013 #336

Lets worry about BOTH brooklynite Sep 2013 #327

thank you brooklynite Always Randy Sep 2013 #331

you are right Always Randy Sep 2013 #359

Hello 4dsc Always Randy Sep 2013 #329

thank you 4dsc ---2014 is the new 2016 Always Randy Sep 2013 #332

this post is getting more visits and replies than I thought possible Always Randy Sep 2013 #340

your ty posts make up for over half. Whisp Sep 2013 #341

shameless AtomicKitten Sep 2013 #342

Well--you might think that, Atomic Kitten Always Randy Sep 2013 #352

constructive engagement Always Randy Sep 2013 #355

What a load. HappyMe Sep 2013 #349

I can understand how you feel Always Randy Sep 2013 #350

The Obama's owe the Clinton's nothing. Whisp Sep 2013 #368

Yes Whisp--your's may be "justifiable" anger Always Randy Sep 2013 #370

Obama couldn't do it without a Clinton... Whisp Sep 2013 #371

this is not a black man/white man thing Whisp Always Randy Sep 2013 #372

You will never convince me, and many others, that Whisp Sep 2013 #373

I understand Always Randy Sep 2013 #376

OK---ket's talk about legacy Always Randy Sep 2013 #383

You may find the thought offensive but Always Randy Oct 2013 #415

old wine in old bottles madrchsod Sep 2013 #353

I am sometimes curious about the genesis of comments on this blog Always Randy Sep 2013 #354

Seriously, and asked with no sarcasm or rancor - is ginning up support for Hillary your job? djean111 Oct 2013 #403

and without rancor or sarcasm as well Always Randy Oct 2013 #404

I am quite afraid of whatever it is that Hillary would mean by djean111 Oct 2013 #405

yes---on women being crafty and mean spirited Always Randy Oct 2013 #406

I am (rightly, I believe) worried she will use that bully pulpit for social security reforms djean111 Oct 2013 #407

Since Warren WON'T be running, what will you do? brooklynite Sep 2013 #387

I have the same information --but I give the emotional support to those EW supporters Always Randy Sep 2013 #391

Come 2014 there won't be many R's left...Thank God and President Obama Tippy Sep 2013 #364

Oh I hope you are so right Always Randy Sep 2013 #365

oh yes ---the failure of the Clinton impeachment Always Randy Sep 2013 #386

Well it looks like CNN does not want Hillary to be President Always Randy Sep 2013 #379

give it up. Whisp Oct 2013 #399

Thank you Whisp --I think that is a good opinion, but Always Randy Oct 2013 #402

thank you Always Randy Feb 2014 #447

this was from Oct '13----- Always Randy Mar 2014 #449

Good Morning Whisp Always Randy Jun 2014 #458

Nancy Pelosi: Hillary Clinton Would Be More Prepared For White House Than Obama, Bush- Always Randy Sep 2013 #385

update Novemeber 7 2013 Always Randy Nov 2013 #434

Your first point is exactly why she will lose. You're focusing on personalities, ie 'the unbeatable grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #437

all very good goals Always Randy Feb 2014 #439

There is a school of thought.... sendero Feb 2014 #441

Sendero--thank you for a well thought out reply Always Randy Feb 2014 #446

Hillary is not the 'Evil-Anti-Elizabeth-Warren'. Divide and Conquer McCamy Taylor Mar 2014 #450

I apologize in advance Always Randy Mar 2014 #452

i Would Support Hillary 2016 Corey_Baker08 Mar 2014 #454

I know there are a lot of people on here Always Randy Mar 2014 #457

Her team was "unbeatable" the last time, too. EEO Jun 2014 #468

I agree with you----Obama really had his stuff together to beat HRC Always Randy Jul 2014 #477

I was a Biden supporter before it became a two horse race in 2008. EEO Jul 2014 #482

kick & recommended. William769 Jul 2014 #473

thank you William Always Randy Jul 2014 #478

Response to the original post: northoftheborder Jul 2014 #479

That's fine and dandy, but: DFW Jul 2014 #487

You wrote three paragraphs Scootaloo Aug 2014 #502

You are exactly right---it is from the position of keen observer that I write Always Randy Aug 2014 #507

wait a minute Always Randy Aug 2014 #509

Against a Republican? Sure. Against other Democrats? Good question Scootaloo Aug 2014 #510

I think I've got this now Always Randy Aug 2014 #515

Go Hillary! !! chrisstopher Aug 2014 #503

I was shocked that the OP wasn't signed "Third-Way Manny" RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #504

another cheerleader thread for Hillary? RedstDem Aug 2014 #505

I remember hearing of Hillary Clinton's inevitability in 2008. This is all theory and speculation. EEO Aug 2014 #508

Theory, yes. Speculation, no. brooklynite Aug 2014 #512

Theory, yes. Speculation, yes. EEO Aug 2014 #513

Speculation (noun): the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence. brooklynite Aug 2014 #514

A theory is merely a group of tested speculations. EEO Aug 2014 #517

Thank you for that clarification Always Randy Aug 2014 #521

Yes it is a lot of theory but not much speculation Always Randy Aug 2014 #518

She needs to make the case, and not just run on "inevitability" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #516

Point to a Clinton supporter who calls her victory inevitable. brooklynite Aug 2014 #519

Right. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #520

not so today Always Randy Apr 2015 #567

and we deserve a better choice for SCOTUS than Scalia Always Randy Aug 2014 #522

Herble derble derble dooooo!!!!!! Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #523

Primary---oh yes Eric Cantor went to one of those in Virginia a little while ago Always Randy Aug 2014 #524

Right, whatever. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #525

Warren thank you for your interest in this Always Randy Aug 2014 #527

Actually, you guess wrong. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #528

I seem to detact a dash of rancor in your comments Always Randy Aug 2014 #530

This thing lumbers, it doesn't dash. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #531

If only DU could be the sole vote Always Randy Dec 2014 #537

It took you 3 months to come up with that? Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #539

thee were no surprises to me in mid term results Always Randy Dec 2014 #546

Im out here in the actual world, and I can tell you she's not generating a ton of enthusiasm, yet. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #547

here are some real world things that I see Always Randy Dec 2014 #548

I'm sure she is. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #549

the season is upon us Always Randy Apr 2015 #553

but it does reinforce GOTV Always Randy Apr 2015 #554

Hillary Needs A Story tgards79 Aug 2014 #532

You are right ---she needs a lot of new people too--i am hoping she picks the right vp Always Randy Aug 2014 #533

No one will challenge her? JaydenD Aug 2014 #534

first of all ---thank you for your response Always Randy Aug 2014 #535

Can't really say until the field is known. JaydenD Aug 2014 #536

I would like to update this conversation Always Randy Apr 2015 #565

this is another good take on Jeb and Hillary Always Randy Dec 2014 #538

So much wrong; so little time. area51 Dec 2014 #540

wrong time Always Randy Dec 2014 #541

I would like to revisit this now with you and as the election comes closer Always Randy Apr 2015 #563

You win on BIG, BOLD, DIFFERENCE-MAKING dynamics and themes. Her very candidacy is HISTORIC. RBInMaine Dec 2014 #542

Thank you for the post RB Always Randy Dec 2014 #544

I think HRC is doing that Always Randy Apr 2015 #562

Revisit of a popular thread Always Randy Apr 2015 #550

"The women vote coming from the entire country will be overwhelmingly for Hillary" area51 Apr 2015 #555

which part is insulting Always Randy Apr 2015 #556

Go Hillary! workinclasszero Apr 2015 #557

yes in deedy----and we need her to appoint the new SCOTUS Always Randy Apr 2015 #558

Thats for sure eh? workinclasszero Apr 2015 #559

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hillary gobears10 Apr 2015 #571

K&R RandySF Oct 2015 #573

Great post Gothmog Oct 2015 #574