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In reply to the discussion: Elizabeth Warren [View all]cascadiance
(19,537 posts)87. I'm sorry but many tech workers like myself will NOT support those that want to TAKE AWAY their jobs
... and lower their salaries. I'm sorry, but many in the Democratic Party are not that stupid. And there are many independent voters in the high tech sector that feel the same way, if the Dems allow "leaders" like Schumer and Clinton to get their way and outsource away their jobs.
People are taking away my choice if they intimidate anyone who might challenge the "anointed" ones by the DLC parts of the party to even run in the primaries, which is PRECISELY what many that support Clinton are trying to do here on DU now to intimidate candidates like Warren from entering the race. The DLC has done this constantly over the years with many other progressive candidates in downstream races too, and through their control of the DCCC has kept other candidates from getting funding, etc., limiting our choices of who represents us. The Seattle City Council race shows an example of what eventually happens when the party keeps newer voices from representing newer concerns that affect their constituency from being part of the race. In this case, a socialist instead of a Republican got elected. The Dems down the road could become a Whig party too, if they continue this policy of trying to intimidate both the public and other potential candidates from contesting those selected by the corporatists who have gamed the system to control the party. Koch is laughing on the way to the bank that he used to fund the DLC with earlier.
It is not just the Democratic Party that needs to win in 2016. It is the American public (the 99%!) that needs to win then! And if we allow the 1% to control what the two major parties run as candidates, nobody wins, and everyone will lose more if enough people break out to vote for a third party, and without instant runoff voting, that gives the presidency to someone like Cruz of the Republicans without a majority of voter support. We need to MAKE SURE that the Democratic Party has a good primary then to help allow for ALL voices to be heard and hopefully the best representative of a majority of its members to be nominated. That isn't helped by trying to say only one candidate should be paid attention to now.
I actually like Granholm as well, but that doesn't take away that she has the Koch funded DLC in her roots, which likely affects the political circles she pushes too.
I would submit you do NOT KNOW what Elizabeth Warren thinks any more than the rest of us do or don't. She may not want to run. She may feel a lot of intimidation to have her say the things she does, even if she does entertain the possibility of running personally. The most we as the public can do is to show our sentiments and collectively get others to show that we agree with the battles she's been fighting and that we feel we need someone like her to have that sort of leadership at a national level.
You just cite experience, fund raising capability, organization, and a desire to have "worked for a lifetime" to be president. How many Republicans can cite the EXACT SAME REASONS for their running. That is just describing politicians in general. What are your PERSONAL reasons why you feel that she is best qualified? What issue stances and personal accomplishments do you think separates HRC from other candidates like Elizabeth Warren why those who have in the past called themselves Democrats and present Democrats or those who might consider being one if they moved away from their current corporatist and bankster serving agendda would support. If you want to make the case that she's the candidate we should all jump on board with and ignore others, then it is THAT case you need to make to the rest of us. Because on issues like H-1B visas, war in Iran, free trade agreements such as NAFTA and the TPP, many of us simply aren't buying it!
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One comment is one comment, it's not enough--nor is it fair to her--to 'decide' what she
MADem
Nov 2013
#43
Mr. "I consistently want H-1B outsourcing in legislation over the years" Chuck Shumer?
cascadiance
Nov 2013
#69
I'm sorry but many tech workers like myself will NOT support those that want to TAKE AWAY their jobs
cascadiance
Nov 2013
#87
I paid close attention to Warren's race, and did my (little) bit to help get her elected.
MADem
Nov 2013
#55
Yes, you are right that experience does matter, which IS why Elizabeth Warren is best qualified!
cascadiance
Nov 2013
#70
Why do so many want term limits now? They DON'T LIKE the wrong kind of POLITICAL experience!!
cascadiance
Nov 2013
#78
Even Bernie Sanders is now "reconsidering" running for president after saying "no"...
cascadiance
Nov 2013
#83
Again you give NO issue reasons to support Hillary Clinton, just RATIONALIZED numbers...
cascadiance
Nov 2013
#91
You didn't once ASK for any "reasons." Don't move the goalposts and expect me to be cowed.
MADem
Nov 2013
#97
True; so what do you think of what she said about '16? She has said "no" this time.
7962
Nov 2013
#94
I somehow doubt a president Clinton would appoint Warren as AG but that would be interesting. n/t
PoliticAverse
Nov 2013
#26
I agree. I think Hillary should put ALL her support behind a Warren presidential run.
jtuck004
Nov 2013
#25
I call your 2 cents and raise you 2. 1. The middle class cant wait for Sen Warren
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#62
"We didn't fight for a Public Option because Lieberman said he was going to vote against it, so we
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#73
Feinstein proved the kabuki theater agenda when 2013 started and fillibuster rule changes in the mix
cascadiance
Nov 2013
#92
I see the Republicans cheering for the Democrats to nominate/neutralize/disengage her
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#24
Just watched her again. She is a teacher/professor/economist/intellectual just incidently a woman
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#37
No. I'm aware of her background and I stand by my opionion that such an appointment is unlikely. n/t
PoliticAverse
Nov 2013
#49
Berkeley doesn't have SCHOLARS like Warren speak if they are "inexperienced"...
cascadiance
Nov 2013
#71
My 'lacks the experience' comment was about the possibility of her being nonimated as Fed Chair
PoliticAverse
Nov 2013
#105
Dreamer! If Clinton or Christie win, they wont touch Sen Warren. Larry Summers would
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#63
Agreed. She's already crashing through an old Senate ceiling as a "newbie" speaking to the entire
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#23
I know that the highest accolade we can offer is to say we want her as President
tavalon
Nov 2013
#30
Any elected official who says: "I've looked at the data and it shows..."
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#40