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karynnj

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36. The media defines those memes - in reality neither are anywhere as gaffe prone as some want
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jun 2014

to say. Both, in campaigns and in high position are taped for an incredible number of hours. It is hard to imagine that anyone could speak that much and say nothing that - even when isolated from context - can not be spun.

In 2008, when Kerry was a top advocate for Obama, he avoided any temptation to take a cheap shot when he was asked by media at an event (in Texas) for Obama if he thought that Hillary's Bosnia's comments should cause people to be concerned. His answer was that campaigns are incredibly tough - that for him the campaign in 2003/2004 was more physically exhausting than anything in his life and that he had always been athletic. Just thinking of what he said, it is clear has to be mentally, physically and emotionally extremely tough - and they have to be "on" for as many as 16 hours a day - while moving from hotel to hotel.

It is rather offensive - and demeaning - to these people who have risen to the top of the Democratic party that Democrats then take up the very attacks that the Republicans CREATE after parsing eveything and placing it in the very worst light.

I will admit that I see this most clearly for the politicians that I like most. In particular, I have often watched CSPAN or other links to see an entire John Kerry speech. He is an incredibly thoughtful, principled man and I almost always come away impressed --which will surprise no one here. Then, one of two things happen. There is no coverage - after all its "just" the Secretary of State -- OR - there is coverage of one or two sentences taken out of paragraphs that clearly explain what he is saying. This then is used by some Democrats, usually to his right, and the Republicans suggesting he is a loose cannon.

What I have seen, when I look for a fuller account of comments from Biden or, until recently, Hillary Clinton -- I often see the same thing. You might say that this is just the media looking for something more sensational --- except they actually buried genuinely dumb things George Bush said. Watching the NH race, it is interesting that the Boston Globe in the last week or so wrote the story of Scott Brown's selling his name to a sham company and since then going after that story with many followups - but the BG alone can not be an echo chamber.

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I hope for Clinton yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #1
Joe is gaff prone? Please don't believe the media, he is not. Whisp Jun 2014 #11
The media defines those memes - in reality neither are anywhere as gaffe prone as some want karynnj Jun 2014 #36
I've never heard any of his so-called gaffes lunatica Jun 2014 #37
Biden has been known for many years stating his mind, this is not a lie. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #39
i certainly listen if Joe Biden runs Leme Jun 2014 #2
I agree. I can not forgive the "hard working Americans - White Americans" LoisB Jun 2014 #3
That WAS the last straw. FiveGoodMen Jun 2014 #7
yikes, now That's a gaff of epic proportions. This should not be forgiven or overlooked. Whisp Jun 2014 #12
Oh, cry mer a river!!! Beacool Jun 2014 #21
She was NOT quoting a poll. I vote in every election and it is certainly my right to LoisB Jun 2014 #25
Yes, she was quoting a poll. Beacool Jun 2014 #33
Don't forget Hillary's reference to Bobby Kennedy's assassination in arguing why her campaign should go on in 2008--the subject of an incensed Keith O special comment--talk about low! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2014 #27
I'm with you Fellers Xipe Totec Jun 2014 #4
One of the Great Movies of all time. Whisp Jun 2014 #13
I love that movie. Beacool Jun 2014 #22
Lucky you! Whisp Jun 2014 #23
Yeah, the old Southern brogue is funny. Beacool Jun 2014 #34
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Enjoy your stay, and say hi to Jeb and Chris TheCowsCameHome Jun 2014 #6
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I vote for whoever wins the Primary....don't you? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #9
So do I. But I am talking about whom I'll vote for in the primary. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #14
And if they don't win? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #15
I know it's early. But when primary season comes around unless somebody runs unopposed totodeinhere Jun 2014 #16
I will be the most surprised human being if Hillary actually runs Peacetrain Jun 2014 #10
I agree davidpdx Jun 2014 #30
Clinton/Cuomo 2016 blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #17
If nominatied, Joe, sad to say, will never win. demosincebirth Jun 2014 #18
Well nobody knows for sure. But I think that actually any major Democrat totodeinhere Jun 2014 #20
Nobody knows for sure, like you say, but I've known for years many dems and Indies who are as demosincebirth Jun 2014 #38
And so will I!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2014 #19
Biden sponsored the bankruptcy reform bill... JayhawkSD Jun 2014 #24
As I already said, no candidate is going to be perfect. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2014 #26
Go Joe!!! mwrguy Jun 2014 #28
Agreed. snot Jun 2014 #29
I would lean that way as well, but it depends on who else was running davidpdx Jun 2014 #31
they are both old mgcgulfcoast Jun 2014 #32
How about waiting for next summer? (nt) question everything Jun 2014 #35
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