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Peace Patriot

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55. To those who say "Iceland" can't happen here, two words: New. Deal.
Mon May 14, 2012, 06:58 AM
May 2012

The "New Deal" here, in the 1930s, with the election of FDR, was precisely about some of these same issues: public, democratic control of the banksters, for instance (which, among other things, were bankrupting small farms, small businesses and other small property owners). Unemployment of course, and draconian "austerity" for the poor (while the rich get richer), and the insane notion that "the market" will somehow regulate itself for the benefit of all.

The size of the population isn't all that relevant, if you have strong democratic institutions--such as vote counting in the PUBLIC VENUE--not the privatized crapola we have now for a voting system in the USA, with 80% of the voting systems in our country controlled by one, private, far rightwing-connected corporation--ES&S, which bought out Diebold--using 'TRADE SECRET' code to 'count' all our votes, with virtually no audit/recount controls. A real voting system makes it POSSIBLE to elect leaders who act in the interest of the majority. We really don't have that power any more. We had it, though, in the 1930s, when it was POSSIBLE to elect a reform government in response to vast crime and profiteering in the financial sector.

After that, we had government by Corporate Press propaganda and the post WW II "military industrial complex" for three decades or so, culminating in the Reagan-Bush juntas, wherein we totally lost control of, first, the tax system, then the war machine, with an interregnum of "neo-liberalism" under Clinton, wherein we lost Glass-Steagall, among other things (the New Deal law regulating banks and financial institutions). Finally, under Bush II (2002 to 2004), we lost our very voting system. Real reform--a "New Deal"--has been rendered impossible here. That's the progression of loss of democracy that has occurred here. The motive for controlling us--supplied by the war profiteers--combined with the corporate propaganda machine not only to loot us blind but also to HIDE the fascist revolution that has occurred, via the 'TRADE SECRET' code. The Corporate Press, in collusion with our political establishment (including our own party leadership) has black-holed the most important news story of the last decade--loss of PUBLIC vote counting in the U.S.

The MIC is an important difference between us and Iceland--much more important than population size. The U.S. war machine that should have been demobilized after WW II has, instead, grown into a monster, and has been turned against us, with military values--not democratic values--prevailing, now, throughout our government, and controlling society with police state tactics and mentality.

THAT does, indeed, make reform far more difficult here than in Iceland--not the number of people in the country but rather the entrenchment of undemocratic--and, indeed, anti-democratic--powers that collude with, and are in some ways equivalent with, transglobal corporations that have loyalty to no country or people. The MIC helps forge "markets" for these transglobal corporations, and provides them with resources like oil and slave labor pools, with outright violence or threatened violence.

Colombia is an interesting example of how far this phenomenon has gone. A sector of the MIC--the U.S. "war on drugs"--has been used to kill thousands of TRADE UNIONISTS and other advocates of the poor in Colombia, preparatory to U.S. "free for the rich" in Colombia (the new U.S./Colombia "free trade" agreement).

Iceland doesn't have this kind of problem--war profiteers running things, covertly and overtly, in collusion with transglobal corporations.

Which leads me to Latin America. Iceland initially got attention from the Corporate Press but was dropped "off the radar" when it didn't go the way they had hoped--when the people of Iceland successfully countered the corporate storyline. They just sort of "forgot" about Iceland. The lies, distortions, disinformation and black-holing of the truth about Latin America has been even more marked.

Latin America suffered the kind of corporate/bankster ruination that the Bush Junta unleashed on the "first world" a decade before anyone else. But they, too, like Iceland, did not have a MIC to throw off, in order to re-democratize. They did have a "mini-MIC"--the U.S. "war on drugs"--and it had its entrenched local fascists supported by billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars but this U.S. "war" sat uneasily on Latin American society and once the Left began challenging it, and the great leftist democracy movement got under way in South America, U.S. forces began to be kicked out of countries--and today, ALL of Latin America (including the new, though still rightwing, leadership of Colombia) is calling for AN END TO THE "WAR ON DRUGS" (i.e., legalization!).

The SUCCESS of the leftist democracy movement in South America has specifically been the result of the REJECTION of World Bank/IMF banksterism, REJECTION of "austerity" (the rich get richer, the poor get looted), REJECTION of "Wall Street"'s insane and self-serving "advice," REJECTION of U.S. "free trade for the rich" and transglobal corporate rule, REJECTION of the U.S. "war on drugs," and the embrace of social justice, local control of resources, government spending and strong government regulation of the rich and the corporate. This democratic revolution started in Venezuela and Argentina and spread to the entire continent and into Central America and it has been hugely successful at turning ruined economies around into prosperous economies with the wealth spread among the population.

This successful and peaceful revolution has also been marked by critical alliances--the first between Venezuela and Argentina (in dealing with IMF/World Bank ruination of Argentina), and, soon afterward, Venezuela and Brazil--powerhouses that cooperated in helping, say, Bolivia, in throwing off a U.S.-designed fascist coup--alliances that have led to new continent- and region-wide cooperation and new institutions, such as the Bank of the South, ALBA (leftist trade group), UNASUR and CELAC (alternatives to the U.S. dominated OAS).

The Corporate Press (a transglobal entity with "groupthink&quot has tried various tactics to prevent us--in the U.S. and Europe--from understanding this democracy revolution in Latin America. They reviled the pioneers (Venezuela, Argentina), then, when the movement nevertheless spread, tried "divide and conquer" (for instance, lauding the more corporate-friendly Brazil, while continuing to revile the others). But the basic fact of this movement is that the countries with Leftist governments have PROSPERED--have turned things around, dramatically--with the wealth spread around (huge reductions in poverty), with often sizzling economic growth and with "surprising" recoveries from the Bush Junta-induced worldwide depression--while the countries that are still U.S. dominated, such as Colombia and most of Central America, continue to have huge, unrelieved poverty and injustice, struggling economies and other grave problems, such as the rightwing death squads in Colombia and Honduras, and the U.S. "war on drugs"-induced violence and corruption in Colombia, Honduras and Mexico.

The Corporate Press now ignores Iceland, where democracy is working. They have reviled--demonized, slandered--the pioneers of real democracy in Latin America and have ignored the most dramatic development of all--the alliance of Leftist leaders in Latin America, who are pursuing democratization and social justice together--an historic development of very great importance.

The Corporate Press is anti-democratic because their masters, the transglobal corporations and war profiteers whom they shill for, hate and fear democracy more than anything. They hate and fear it here probably most of all--because our people, if we ever get up off our hind ends, are a potential leader of democracy revolutions worldwide that will throw off Corporate Rule. Our country is the vortex of Corporate Rule. They have taken very special measures to disempower us--the 'TRADE SECRET' code voting machines being the latest and most devastating--and to propagandize and dis-inform us on many fronts, including about Latin America, about Iceland and, currently, about Greece where democracy is starting to work.

Oh my Lord, do they fear that! It's almost amusing--'news' stories that refer to the Greek Left as "shrill" and "radical." In truth, the Greek Left is conservative in the best sense of the word--they want a stable society in which everyone has bread on the table and a chance in life and feels part of society. It is the Corporate Rulers who are radical--very radical. They want police states in which the people are slave laborers and cannon fodder with no rights. And they want to loot these police state countries and their peoples until there is nothing left to loot. Then what? The billionaires go off to their islands? Or, lacking islands in a globally warmed earth, off to Mars, is it? I don't know. The societies that they create are unlivable. And that, in the context of the post WW II world, which has tried so hard to become a progressive world, is very radical, indeed. Didn't we overthrow fascism in 1945?

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Why is obvious. Iceland did what we all should have done. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #1
+1,000. nt BlueIris May 2012 #24
Here is a good link for more Iceland details. xtraxritical May 2012 #69
Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #2
. . . Tansy_Gold May 2012 #9
hi miss tansy... xchrom May 2012 #11
It's nice to see Tansy_Gold May 2012 #30
Thank you for posting. K&R think May 2012 #3
Yes thank you for posting. AnnieK401 May 2012 #10
Many thanks, and a hearty welcome to this group, Annie! Cal33 May 2012 #53
So that we can continue to be fed an incorrect definition of democracy dickthegrouch May 2012 #4
What's with the arbitrary dig at Egypt? Hissyspit May 2012 #5
An email a bit over a year old, I'd think muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #25
Because Iceland refused to bail out and reward the economic criminals. Europe and the US sabrina 1 May 2012 #6
Sure am glad there are people like you who keep themselves well-informed about what's going on Cal33 May 2012 #20
Not totally peacefull tama May 2012 #7
By the way, for those who don't know what "skyr" is, Lydia Leftcoast May 2012 #14
No news black-out -- the Iceland response to the economic crisis has been covered. For example: pnwmom May 2012 #8
Thanks for the info. Yet, on the whole, few Americans seem to be aware of the enormity of what had Cal33 May 2012 #16
Yes, it can be done. But the particular path that Iceland took pnwmom May 2012 #18
The path we have taken has not worked too well for millions of Americans though. sabrina 1 May 2012 #23
I did have a student mention the rewriting of the Iceland constitution Hissyspit May 2012 #26
In May 2009, chervilant May 2012 #62
I had been hearing worries about derivatives for several years pnwmom May 2012 #64
Indeed, chervilant May 2012 #68
Paul Krugman has been talking edhopper May 2012 #12
think I heard Thom Hartmann talk of this rurallib May 2012 #13
Perhaps you should pull head out of hole Riftaxe May 2012 #15
You are right. I do read foreign news -- but only once in a while. It's not often enough. Cal33 May 2012 #17
On re-reading i was a bit too snarky i think Riftaxe May 2012 #21
Because the global money changers are afraid of the scenario. stubtoe May 2012 #19
Because it's ICELAND fercrissakes with... TreasonousBastard May 2012 #22
There are perhaps 300 books, 25-50 movies, hundreds of thousands of pages of jtuck004 May 2012 #27
EXACTLY !! dougolat May 2012 #67
Clinton passes Commodities Modernization Act on the lobbying of Larry Summers. Later jtuck004 May 2012 #77
What the...? secondvariety May 2012 #38
k & r red dog 1 May 2012 #51
The stood outside parliment and threw rocks at their elected officials not the banks. jtuck004 May 2012 #28
Maybe if we had thrown a few rocks our politicians would have been motivated to do their jobs and leeroysphitz May 2012 #31
We don't need to cast stones, just votes. n/t jtuck004 May 2012 #76
You want to bet the right-wingers are going to up the percentage of their fraudulent votes much Cal33 May 2012 #78
I have no doubt they will use every trick in the book. They are getting better and better, and jtuck004 May 2012 #80
I agree with you. I also believe the right-wingers are incapable of thinking in terms of what's Cal33 May 2012 #81
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2012 #29
Why isn't this mentioned, you ask? truedelphi May 2012 #32
Gays can't all marry, things aren't great and I see no reason that advancing social progress leeroysphitz May 2012 #33
bullshit. provis99 May 2012 #34
You are getting only agreement from me. n/t truedelphi May 2012 #73
What do you mean? Doctor_J May 2012 #45
They're afraid others will follow Iceland's example. - K&R n/t DeSwiss May 2012 #35
I agree the media has not discussed Iceland enough. The reason is that the lesson of Iceland is limpyhobbler May 2012 #36
If you have heard nothing, reconsider who you listen to. L. Coyote May 2012 #37
Power to the people KT2000 May 2012 #39
Heard this interesting story about Iceland on NPR a couple of weeks ago. mia May 2012 #40
Because it worked! obxhead May 2012 #41
Iceland has fewer people the Raleigh nc. bowens43 May 2012 #42
Now THAT is how you take your government back. nt SunSeeker May 2012 #43
Pssh. We can't even get a single corrupt governor out of office Doctor_J May 2012 #44
For things to succeed in this country, it will take a lot of time and much more effort. Did you Cal33 May 2012 #52
Iceland has 250,000 people. So you are Lucky Luciano May 2012 #46
Why not? leveymg May 2012 #58
We're actually in a much better position to be the agent of change on a global scale Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #59
There are many more examples of democracy which should put the United States to shame Dack May 2012 #47
Do they have oil? progressoid May 2012 #48
The stuff of dreams: chill_wind May 2012 #49
"Icelandic Govt. has initiated an investigation to bring to justice those responsible"? red dog 1 May 2012 #50
The government has taken on massive debt to solve the crisis OnlinePoker May 2012 #54
To those who say "Iceland" can't happen here, two words: New. Deal. Peace Patriot May 2012 #55
devastating, but thank you. ..nt dougolat May 2012 #82
Oh, I do agree with you and say I hope that Iceland can and will happen over here. I believe Cal33 May 2012 #83
I don't think there's much difference between the Pukes then and the Pukes now... Peace Patriot May 2012 #84
Thanks for your well-written and very knowledgeable post. You've got me re-thinking about Cal33 May 2012 #85
Iceland setting a bad example. Who do they think they are, Chile? leveymg May 2012 #56
Without violence and bloodshed, how are the media supposed to recognize it as news ? eppur_se_muova May 2012 #57
My home county in Maryland has over three times the population of Iceland. Burma Jones May 2012 #60
K & R & a huge yes, yes, yes! One can hope, but it surely seems THE way to clean up. nt mother earth May 2012 #61
But that might give us ideas. nt TBF May 2012 #63
When people protest in America, they get beaten and arrested. valerief May 2012 #65
I guess those lying, cheating Neo-Cons, Corporatists and Tea Partyers are highly Cal33 May 2012 #66
trying to do that here would be like herding cats. nt shireen May 2012 #70
Thom Hartmann talks a lot about what is happening in Iceland, Cleita May 2012 #71
Thanks for the info. Will be looking him up. Cal33 May 2012 #72
For the same reason the news failed to cover Michael Jackson's death. jobycom May 2012 #74
I remember Michael Jackson's death, but not Iceland's change of government and re-writing Cal33 May 2012 #79
There was an interesting wrinkle ... Quasimodem May 2012 #75
Spam deleted by ScreamingMeemie (MIR Team) wenziga May 2012 #86
Because a plutocracy does not only ignore that kind of news Rex May 2012 #87
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