2016 Postmortem

VanillaRhapsody

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77. and yet he hasn't done that....

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:12 PM

Nov 2014

that is just the first hurdle...its all uphill from there....very steeply uphill. He hasn't even done the easy part yet.

But if he is SOOO electable...why does he need to become a Democrat at all huh?

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I wish Obama could win, but he can't - HRC has overwhelming support [View all] hedgehog Nov 2014 OP

I want to rec this about a million fucking times. Autumn Nov 2014 #1

YOU only consider the popularity vote.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #35

Which is like coming in first in a one-person race Scootaloo Nov 2014 #43

Uh Jeb Bush? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #44

I'm saying that placing all your bets on polls made this early is silly Scootaloo Nov 2014 #46

How about multiple polls? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #48

Clinton is also the only known factor in those polls Scootaloo Nov 2014 #59

Reported today. Need we say more? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #144

No she isn't... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #183

How About You Post 40 Times Here Being Beating A Dead Horse billhicks76 Nov 2014 #181

Oh really.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #184

You're Quite Right billhicks76 Nov 2014 #188

Poll Thing Again? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #143

No one has to convince democrates... reACTIONary Nov 2014 #159

Most Who Pay Attention Here Dont Want Her billhicks76 Nov 2014 #167

And they will do what they always do... reACTIONary Nov 2014 #172

Short Memory billhicks76 Nov 2014 #173

Some visionary policy proposals... reACTIONary Nov 2014 #174

Unfortunately for YOU MOST Democrats are not ON DU VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #185

I'll Change If... billhicks76 Nov 2014 #189

what? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #192

Huh? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #196

^^^ those are her stats....THAT is a FACT....you don't have any VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #197

You're Wrong billhicks76 Nov 2014 #210

No I am not....READ and Be AMAZED VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #216

IN fact I will go you one better... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #198

Exactly...Hillary Can Lose To Bush billhicks76 Nov 2014 #177

BUT! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #186

Bush and Her Will Pull A Scam Together billhicks76 Nov 2014 #190

and what proof do you have of THAT bullshit? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #191

I've Already Linked Articles For You billhicks76 Nov 2014 #195

I have many MANY polls.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #199

they fucking HAVE not......good grief..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #200

Cuss At Someone Else billhicks76 Nov 2014 #211

no I fucking cuss at people who make false statements... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #215

No I Don't Think They Should Be At War billhicks76 Nov 2014 #220

Oh good grief.....dude... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #221

Misogyny? Wow. billhicks76 Nov 2014 #222

they are NOT joined at the hip....much to your dismay.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #223

Ignore Button billhicks76 Nov 2014 #224

right...thats what I thought! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #225

You're Hillarious billhicks76 Nov 2014 #226

Okay lets get this straight YOU brought up Bill and HW....being friends... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #227

Your Iraqi War Yes Vote Hero billhicks76 Nov 2014 #228

AGAIN....YOU brought up Bill Clinton and HW Bushes relationship as something to VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #229

You Need To Get A Grip billhicks76 Nov 2014 #230

Nope spot on....YOU did do it exactly as I said..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #231

Yeah Uh Huh. Thanks For The Laugh billhicks76 Nov 2014 #232

Today In The News 12/5/2014...Again billhicks76 Dec 2014 #233

George W Bush is a fucking loon...have YOU seen him WITH Hillary? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #234

It's Just Hard To Ignore billhicks76 Dec 2014 #235

No harder to ignore than you are.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #236

Wow...You Aren't Even Worth Anyone's Time billhicks76 Dec 2014 #237

Do you believe everything George Bush says? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #238

I'm not sure if I should be flattered or terrified. Autumn Nov 2014 #47

I am not here to make friends with Independents... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #49

I'm a Democrat. Since we can't be friends please quit following me. Autumn Nov 2014 #51

Not if you are not committed to vote for whomever wins the Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #56

So you will follow me from thread to thread until I commit to support whom you tell me to? Autumn Nov 2014 #60

I post whereever I feel like it.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #66

Perhaps I am, so I will end our conversation with Bernie/Liz 20016!!!!! Autumn Nov 2014 #72

Liz the ACTUAL former Republican? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #74

That Liz, the wonderful Democratic Senator from the great state of Massachusetts. Autumn Nov 2014 #79

does she have polls showing she beats all republican comers? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #115

Polls mean nothing this far out. Hillary will lose and lose big. Democrats are smart Autumn Nov 2014 #148

Yes, currently she supports the former Goldwater girl. Common Sense Party Nov 2014 #130

One is NOT a former Republican...sorry....the first time Hillary could register to vote was 1968... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #131

Ummm......., if being a former Republican disqualifies a candidate.... hedgehog Nov 2014 #152

perhaps YOU are more than just a bit of a cyberbully. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #136

Maybe I am a Democrat....who supports Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #138

The Purity Test At It's Finest... So... If Joe Manchin Is The Dem Nominee... How Will You Vote ??? WillyT Nov 2014 #102

"Only those who are supportive of the Party elections"? Ken Burch Nov 2014 #134

Yes..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #135

You don't get to call people's party loyalty into question. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #139

If they are saying themselves they are NOT committed to vote for whomever WE select in VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #140

Yay.. dotymed Nov 2014 #151

Do you understand the name of this forum? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #187

Do you? dotymed Nov 2014 #193

I think it is about electing MORE Democrats...... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #194

Hillary...the Conservative Walter Mondale billhicks76 Nov 2014 #180

I like hillary, she's a wonderful person. I just don't think that she is Autumn Nov 2014 #182

You don't get to just label everybody you disagree with an Independent. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #132

I get to label those that are not committed to support whomever is the Democratic Nominee VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #133

DU bars posts in the fall advocating support for non-Dem candidates(fair enough) Ken Burch Nov 2014 #141

Still a fact.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #142

I assume it is fair to say that you will vote for Sanders or Warren... thesquanderer Nov 2014 #147

Please point to any "vitriol" posted about Sanders or Warren... brooklynite Nov 2014 #206

??? thesquanderer Nov 2014 #207

I Thought You're Whole Angle Was You Wanted To Win??? billhicks76 Nov 2014 #178

Dear dear Rhapsody Caretha Nov 2014 #114

And that is what you think..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #137

Let her run as a Republican. Her policies are attractive to cons. Scuba Nov 2014 #149

There IS A Current Backlash Against The Party In Power billhicks76 Nov 2014 #179

Ditto Veilex Nov 2014 #126

If you try to force lightning to strike twice bluestateguy Nov 2014 #2

Because nothing says establishment like being the half-African son of a single mother with a funny hedgehog Nov 2014 #5

His policies.... paleotn Nov 2014 #57

"His policies are establishment." - Oh really? Veilex Nov 2014 #127

Yes... paleotn Nov 2014 #150

I think you may be letting the perfect be the enemy of the good... Veilex Nov 2014 #158

Epic fail on the first item zipplewrath Nov 2014 #201

Respectfully, I disagree with you. Veilex Nov 2014 #209

Shows you don't know what the President's Policies are.. Cha Nov 2014 #204

There is no question that it will be an uphill battle for Bernie, and he has to run as a Democrat in still_one Nov 2014 #3

I have a question about that? What is the process for him to run LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #12

As far as I am aware he is registers as a Democrat, then fills out the appropriate still_one Nov 2014 #14

Sounds pretty straightforward. Thanks. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #15

I think so. Isn't that what Charlie Chist did? still_one Nov 2014 #16

The dems can refuse funding...and thats what this really comes down to. Veilex Nov 2014 #128

first he needs to be a Democrat....how hard is that to figure out? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #36

win friends and influence people! LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #41

Well you can win friends all you want...but if you are not a Democrat...you are not VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #42

feeble LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #83

Are you committed to vote for whomever wins OUR Primary election? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #84

At this moment in time I have nothing to commit to in regards to the General. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #88

It doesn't matter ....are you committed to "WHOMEVER" wins the Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #90

Committment is a big word with many nuances. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #93

Yes....we are a great "club" we have elections called Primaries... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #94

says you. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #95

He welcomes their hatred ReRe Nov 2014 #118

I'm sure he does not like it, nor Michelle LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #119

My mistake.... ReRe Nov 2014 #120

This is The One. THIS PRESIDENT. LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #122

You got that right! ;-) n/t ReRe Nov 2014 #123

Seriously, that's the best you've got? jeff47 Nov 2014 #75

and yet he hasn't done that.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #77

He hasn't even said he is running yet, and guess what neither has Hillary. How hard is that. I will still_one Nov 2014 #82

And if he is SOOOO electable...why would he need to? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #101

Why does it bother you if he runs or doesn't run? I have no problem voting for the Democratic still_one Nov 2014 #103

I like politics....how about you? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #104

Because the country is a two party system. Bernie also caucus with the Democrats, but you knew that still_one Nov 2014 #105

If he cannot get elected on his own merits under his own party.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #106

Bernie is a real Democrat or you have never heard him on the issues. He will bring those issues to still_one Nov 2014 #107

No he isn't.... he is an Independent...no amount of wordsmithing changes that... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #108

On the issues, Bernie is a Democrat, and to deny that denies the issues that the Democratic party still_one Nov 2014 #109

that doesn't give him better polling though does it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #111

Again you missed the point. I never said you should or should not support Bernie. I said Bernie still_one Nov 2014 #112

It has been over Caretha Nov 2014 #116

Nope still_one Nov 2014 #117

Calling DUers a "bot" isn't conducive to the conversation...and it's immature and childish. BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #176

No, actually that is the only hurdle, compared to every other potential candidate. jeff47 Nov 2014 #100

I agree. I hope Bernie redefines "electable." One of the few not influenced by any money other Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #17

Bernie cannot win...and he doesn't poll ahead of all Republicans VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #33

The point is if he runs as a Democrat in the primaries he can bring focus to the issues, and still_one Nov 2014 #96

He still has to beat every REAL Democrat.....and he has to get the Mushy Middle not to care VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #97

You missed the point in entirely. If he runs as a Democrat, win or lose, he will insure that the still_one Nov 2014 #98

That's not important to them though davidpdx Nov 2014 #121

Bernie is never going to get past the "Socialist" label. davishenderson265 Nov 2014 #4

Well, Hillary got past eh Republican label. MelissaB Nov 2014 #6

She has never been a republucan, perhaps you have Hillary confused with Elizabeth. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #24

Actually, she was a Republican before 1968. Stardust Nov 2014 #30

She voted for the first time in 1968, she voted for Hubert Humphrey, he was a Democrat. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #34

But she was NEVER registered..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #37

Exactly, the first year she could register was 1968, dont know why some has this Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #58

She was most certainly a Republican. Even proudly called herself a "Goldwater Gal". Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #164

Let me remind you, Goldwater ran for president in 1964, she was 17 at the time of the election. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #166

I don't give a fuck how old she was. She supported a Republican. He was a fucking racist! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #168

Yep, lots of idiots out there who don't understand words. arcane1 Nov 2014 #9

It's not at all about understanding the words. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #22

Hmmm... I guess Michele Bachmann got past "Jimmy Carter lover" in her base... cascadiance Nov 2014 #31

I wish Bernie Sanders could win, but he can't - HRC has overwhelming support CrispyQ Nov 2014 #7

Sad to say, but it's true. mimi85 Nov 2014 #8

It's easy to get that support when the MSM constantly says you're inevitable, 4 years ahead of time arcane1 Nov 2014 #10

He doesn't have to win. He has to be in the debate LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #13

What does it take in a candiate to represent you. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #25

I pressed that Rec button Real Hard... LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #11

Q: Easiest way to encourage people to stay home w/o a poll tax? A: Hillary Clinton. eom whereisjustice Nov 2014 #18

Two thirds stayed home in 2014, she was not on the ballot, who do you caused Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #28

Other halfassed corporate democrats who campaign for the republican base while ignoring their own Scootaloo Nov 2014 #50

That's what I think too. bravenak Nov 2014 #55

Did you ever read Berke Breathed's "Bloom County"? Scootaloo Nov 2014 #63

Oh, that's funny. bravenak Nov 2014 #67

As an ex-Iowa City resident, I recall voting for Bill n' Opus one of those years I was frustrated... cascadiance Nov 2014 #161

Careful, DU doesn't take well to Meadowcrats Scootaloo Nov 2014 #162

Participation is ALWAYS greater in presidential elections than mid-terms, if you want to lower whereisjustice Nov 2014 #99

Either of them would have won... Mike Nelson Nov 2014 #19

You could not be more spot on. K&R. n/t. bvf Nov 2014 #20

. rocktivity Nov 2014 #21

But, but, but... ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #23

I guess someone just needs a 28% favorability rating at the beginning of 2016 to be able to beat her cascadiance Nov 2014 #32

Jimmy Carter would bust a gut laughing at all this poll nonsesne. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #40

diddly squat like the fact that she beats ALL Republicans including Jeb Bush in poll after poll VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #38

Polls don't vote in primaries. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #39

Did they have 64% and poll ahead of ALL contenders? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #45

It means bopkess, period, end of sentence. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #52

You keep telling yourself that....I hope your "moral superiority" keeps you warm at night... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #54

I'll take my alleged 'moral superiority' over having HRC shoved down my throat. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #61

I just looked up Yiddish....my Brother is also married to a Jewish woman...Ashkenazi to be exact. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #62

You're struggling now. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #64

NO I am not the one trying to use a language not my own.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #65

No, you're someone trying to be a Yiddish linguist, when you know bopkess about it. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #68

No I just used a dictionary.....perhaps you have heard of them? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #69

You have a Yiddish dictionary? ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #71

Google "bopkis"..see for yourself. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #73

I don't need to Google it. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #76

right..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #80

Google isn't Yiddish. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #85

BTW, it can also be spelled 'bopkes', 'bubkes' and 'bopkiss'. n/t ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #70

funny no website seems to have a usage of "bopkis" associated with it on all of the Internet! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #81

You've checked them all, have you? ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #86

I checked the Internet...and I do have Search Engine Optimization chops.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #87

Google won't help, if you lack a fundamental understanding of certain facts. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #89

google does help in suggesting "usage" of words... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #91

I know very well how search engines work. ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #92

the poster is biting their nose to spite their face at this point nashville_brook Nov 2014 #157

Is there something wrong with you? Ineeda Nov 2014 #154

+1 nashville_brook Nov 2014 #155

Barack Hussein Obama? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #26

Obama can't win cause of rev wright and his association with radicals still_one Nov 2014 #27

This Reverend Wright? rocktivity Nov 2014 #156

you got it still_one Nov 2014 #163

Hahahahaha! I see what you did there. pa28 Nov 2014 #29

And now Hillary will be our first female president. hrmjustin Nov 2014 #53

Obama undoubtedly had the help of the monied elite FiveGoodMen Nov 2014 #78

President Obama had a lot of help from Individuals.. too bad Rich Hollywood Democrats gave to his Cha Nov 2014 #205

Human Rights Campaign? ErikJ Nov 2014 #110

Will be reccing this. AverageJoe90 Nov 2014 #113

Spot on! nt babylonsister Nov 2014 #124

Seriously, I didn't think he would be able to beat McCain. C Moon Nov 2014 #125

Elizabeth, the first female President, now that would be great! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2014 #145

And I think she would set the best precedent for many more women to follow her! cascadiance Nov 2014 #160

Excellent analysis, succinctly stated. Bottom line, we need MORE progressivism, not less, to win elections. Period. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2014 #169

I like Warren too, she's smart, progressive but ... Persondem Nov 2014 #208

Thats notion that the corporate media will try to plant on ANY official they label as "too liberal" cascadiance Nov 2014 #213

It's not the same thing Obama was a blank slate that people projected their hopes upon. craigmatic Nov 2014 #129

A blank slate? Served 11 years as Illinois state senator and 2 years as a U.S. Senator. Not a blank Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #165

He hadn't been in national politics long and hadn't took a stand on controversial issues. Blank craigmatic Nov 2014 #170

And neither did Hillary Clinton. First Lady doesn't count. 2 more years as a U.S. Senator doesn't Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #175

I can't believe you just minimized her vote for the war which was a controversial issue at the time. craigmatic Nov 2014 #203

That vote was not controversial. She wanted to look masculine and warlike! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #212

Warren will draw out the all important GOP women who have gone Democrat vote.... McCamy Taylor Nov 2014 #146

This old post has proved to us over the past six years that ... DrBulldog Nov 2014 #153

Premise is based on the flawed idea she will make the same mistakes again & is the same candidate stevenleser Nov 2014 #171

So she won't make different mistakes? zipplewrath Nov 2014 #202

No, she won't. That is a very specific kind of strategic mistake in the primary. stevenleser Nov 2014 #217

Wow, she's flawless zipplewrath Nov 2014 #218

I don't see anybody else running Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2014 #214

This time 8 years ago, Obama was building a serious political operation... brooklynite Nov 2014 #219

I remember. Xyzse Dec 2014 #239