HRC may have started the negotiations for TPP but that does not mean (Reply #60)

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 05:59 PM

Persondem (1,910 posts)

60. HRC may have started the negotiations for TPP but that does not mean

she is responsible for the final product. The direction and contents of TPP could have changed quite a lot with new leadership in State. It is just not fair to hang that on her. Since leaving SoS she has not stated her opinion on TPP for just that reason; it is no longer the same document. Would you accept being blamed for something that other people have been working on for 2 years? I expect you would have a very difficult time finding a statement from HRC expressing her support for TPP since leaving SoS.
Likewise the attempt to paint her with NAFTA is weak. What does "she saw herself in the middle of [NAFTA]" even mean? Did she negotiate it? No. Did she sign it? No. It was Bill's baby, not hers.

The left wing has echo chambers just like the rw, and they are just about as useful. The anti-HRC theme runs loud and strong in such places.

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Hillary Clinton's 'obsession' with money could be an obstacle for her 2016 campaign [View all]	KamaAina	Feb 2015	OP
what "obsession"	VanillaRhapsody	Feb 2015	#1
"rightwing bullshit memes"? In the Washington Post?	KamaAina	Feb 2015	#3
Where do you get Washington Post?	VanillaRhapsody	Feb 2015	#6
From this:	KamaAina	Feb 2015	#10
These might be considered RW attacks if the Clintons were Left Wing. But they aren't.	NYC_SKP	Feb 2015	#9
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"Fought against electric rate cut" "Yes: criminalize flag burning" "Yes to wiretapping"	NYC_SKP	Feb 2015	#18
So many things in that list are so vague or meaningless as to appear deperate.	arcane1	Feb 2015	#34
"OnTheIssues" is the source and they carry the links for most of these. I.E, Clinton supports TPP.	NYC_SKP	Feb 2015	#39
HRC may have started the negotiations for TPP but that does not mean	Persondem	Feb 2015	#60
"OnTheIssues" is the source	Mnpaul	Mar 2015	#74
I'm glad one of her spam post finally got hid	davidpdx	Mar 2015	#76
I hear Bill Kristol with your same talking points, what is the deal?	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#20
Not just "rightwing," but "sexist." You rarely see that word paired with males, politicians or	MADem	Feb 2015	#17
Wonder where they found "multiple Republicans" who...	Mike Nelson	Feb 2015	#2
The Hillary Hate Club quotes right wing memes here on DU??	misterhighwasted	Feb 2015	#4
I am not a member of the Hillary Hate Club.	KamaAina	Feb 2015	#24
Of course they will. This is actually mild considering what' coming	misterhighwasted	Feb 2015	#27
You got it. Hillary : GOP sexism :: Obama : GOP racism.	KamaAina	Feb 2015	#28
Yes. A black man, a woman, a gay Pres & then a Hispanic	misterhighwasted	Feb 2015	#30
Instead of refuting the arguments against HRC for president, some just disparage those	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#35
And don't forget screaming sexism	davidpdx	Mar 2015	#77
$500,000? $300,000? Eh, chicken feed. An hour's work. Please give us Warren or Sanders!	NYC_SKP	Feb 2015	#5
and I think they cannot win....	VanillaRhapsody	Feb 2015	#7
I will vote for the most Progressive and Honest candidate no matter their chances of winning.	NYC_SKP	Feb 2015	#12
but you don't want to be blamed for a President Cruz...or President Walker or President Rubio	VanillaRhapsody	Feb 2015	#14
With current events I doubt either Warren or Bernie could win.	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#21
You may be correct. Wall Street will be tough to fight, but the people want change.	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#36
I am also but dont see how fighting Wall Street is going to put food in their mouths.	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#40
You are right we need to elect Democrats that will tax the wealthy to pay for food stamps.	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#46
From what i have heard in the past few days she wants to change taxes so the	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#49
Sound like they would prefer a Walker before a Hillary..	misterhighwasted	Feb 2015	#13
Yes it sure does....they just cannot see themselves can they?	VanillaRhapsody	Feb 2015	#15
Do you think HRC has a monopoly on supporting LBGT and womens' rights? Do you?	NYC_SKP	Feb 2015	#19
?? Oh duh! just effin go away. Re-read my post.	misterhighwasted	Feb 2015	#22
She doesn't fight, she picks an easy-to-defend position, no courage required.	NYC_SKP	Feb 2015	#26
Well, you can mark this one off your list, she has taken a stand on the income inequality, she	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#31
Instead of giving good reasons to support HRC you try to claim	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#47
now all they need is to find a penniless republican candidate that billionaries will admire and...	unblock	Feb 2015	#8
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Hillary is not obsessed with her and wealth, it is those who continues to ride this train who are	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#23
Thank You +100000000000	misterhighwasted	Feb 2015	#25
So do you think she will raise the taxes on the wealthy and make Goldman-Sachs pay their	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#37
What do you base these two statements?	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#41
LOL. I knew you'd respond with a question. Never commit, right? Point out the fault	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#44
I thought you may be gathering information I am not aware. BTW	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#50
By their very nature the wealthy are our enemy. They steal a Trillion dollars from us	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#53
So, you're saying she did NOT vote to rescind the Bush tax cuts for the upper income tiers?	brooklynite	Mar 2015	#69
More questions. Is that all you guys got?	rhett o rick	Mar 2015	#70
Actually, I have	brooklynite	Mar 2015	#72
I recognize that H. Clinton supports woman's rights and LGBT rights, but	rhett o rick	Mar 2015	#73
Clinton has an obsession with bi-partisanship/triangulation. That, we know for sure.	blkmusclmachine	Feb 2015	#29
WHY do foreign governments WANT to give money to the Clinton Foundation?	Dems to Win	Feb 2015	#32
The implication was that they were trying to curry favor with Hillary	KamaAina	Feb 2015	#33
If you were in a small village without good drinking water would you need help?	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#42
Questions and more questions. Why not tell us what you think? nm	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#45
According to the Clinton supporters we shouldn't be questioning her motives	davidpdx	Mar 2015	#78
will she stop doing it, if elected Prez?	quadrature	Feb 2015	#38
"Multiple Republicans working on the 2016 race" -- more right-wing bullshit smears.	NYC Liberal	Feb 2015	#43
Why don't you show us how wrong these "smears" are? Tell us how HRC stands on issues.	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#48
Questions and more questions. Why not tell us what you think?	Thinkingabout	Feb 2015	#51
I have numerous times but you only have questions. What issue do you want to discuss?	rhett o rick	Feb 2015	#52
The Purity Party, AKA Hillary deniers, are out in force. There is no logic that can be	libdem4life	Feb 2015	#54
I see several dozen posts here but nobody disputing the accuracy of the accusation.	Jim Lane	Feb 2015	#55
No one has sufficiently explained why this is a problem for Hillary either.	wyldwolf	Feb 2015	#56
If an agreement was made and then violated, it's a problem for somebody.	Jim Lane	Feb 2015	#62
It isn't a problem for anyone	wyldwolf	Feb 2015	#63
I disagree with both your rationalizations.	Jim Lane	Feb 2015	#64
Only because you want it to be a problem	wyldwolf	Feb 2015	#65
OK, you believe that no one could disagree with you on this except from a bad motive.	Jim Lane	Feb 2015	#66
Otay!	wyldwolf	Feb 2015	#67
The answer is don't question Hillary Clinton on anything	davidpdx	Mar 2015	#79
I wish your post were satire. Unfortunately, it's merely an exaggeration, and a mild one at that.	Jim Lane	Mar 2015	#80
At least your OP finally states where this 'Hillary has a money problem' is coming from.	wyldwolf	Feb 2015	#57
And that's where it's going to come from if she's the nominee.	KamaAina	Feb 2015	#58
So?	wyldwolf	Feb 2015	#59
So, this could be the financial version of swiftboating.	KamaAina	Mar 2015	#68
It already is - and has been for 20 years.	wyldwolf	Mar 2015	#71
This message was self-deleted by its author	cassidy1950	Feb 2015	#61
Hillary Clinton	Aerows	Mar 2015	#75
Personalizing an enormously important issue in our political system	BainsBane	Mar 2015	#81
how many people work for the Clinton's foundation?	quadrature	Mar 2015	#82

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