2016 Postmortem

CentralMass

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17. I am a life long dem but the reality of how dysfunctional our government is and how it

Sun Mar 8, 2015, 09:22 AM

Mar 2015

increasingly represents those at the top rather then those at the bottom has left me pretty jaded.
I voted for Hillary in 2008 but right now the only two voices in the party that seem to be representing it are Elizabeth Warren and Independent Bernie Sanders. If either were on the primary ballot, I would vote for them.

The party needs a wake up call. They need to be more than just a marginally better option that plays corporate ass kissing low risk politics. I can state that I will not vote republican. However, while I always vote, I will not necessarily check every box on the ballot. The party takes our vote granted. In the end that is the only leverage that "we" have.

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Warren will NOT be a candidate, and Sanders doesn't have a hope in hell. [View all] RBInMaine Mar 2015 OP

Webb is too much of a Confederate sympathizer, O'Malley maybe leftofcool Mar 2015 #1

He's emminently without charisma...aka boring to watch. libdem4life Mar 2015 #80

Completey disagree, he dismantles most GOP Governors in this C-span video FSogol Mar 2015 #95

I was referring to Webb...I like O'Malley and hope he gets in the race. But I did watch libdem4life Mar 2015 #97

We could still see someone come out of the blue marym625 Mar 2015 #2

That's a new one. ( To me at least.) Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #18

absolutely marym625 Mar 2015 #20

It's true what u say Mary, but let someone here, a guy especially, say that about Hillary and look out... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #77

I don't agree with the marym625 Mar 2015 #87

I heard the same bout Bernie along w/ complaints bout his slouching. I'd take that ina heartbeat ova a crooked Teapublican who stands up straight. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #96

As would I marym625 Mar 2015 #98

I agree! Maybe if we back him with all we have in the Primary his message can get out! Dustlawyer Mar 2015 #67

ageism much? ellennelle Mar 2015 #34

I am not agreeing with that nonsense. marym625 Mar 2015 #39

I understood your meaning. And the reality is that optics is a HUGE consideration, especially to the uninformed, superficial voter. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #78

Hopefully, only to the uniformed, superficial voter. marym625 Mar 2015 #89

And younger.. I hate to say that too mountain grammy Mar 2015 #45

Thank you for understanding marym625 Mar 2015 #56

No, it hasn't happened before.... brooklynite Mar 2015 #110

True marym625 Mar 2015 #124

Yea, and I wish I was kacekwl Mar 2015 #117

wouldn't that be nice marym625 Mar 2015 #126

So very much wrong in this post. First, Warren is not a "very good progressive." She's .... Scuba Mar 2015 #3

+1000 djean111 Mar 2015 #4

what Obama blue states do you think she wouldn't win? OKNancy Mar 2015 #5

Well, I'd start with Wisconsin, especially if Walker is the Republican candidate. Scuba Mar 2015 #6

Only 10 electoral votes... She would still win OKNancy Mar 2015 #7

Perhaps, but even if she wins, we lose. Scuba Mar 2015 #9

of course that is your opinion, not mine or many other OKNancy Mar 2015 #15

Is opinion universal, no..... daleanime Mar 2015 #22

Yes, Hillary is good on women's and minority issues. She's just OK on LBGT but poor ... Scuba Mar 2015 #23

really - economic equality? because she spoke to "wall street"? OKNancy Mar 2015 #27

Not because she "spoke to" Wall Street, but because she owes them a quid pro quo for ... Scuba Mar 2015 #37

delusional? well, that ends our conversation OKNancy Mar 2015 #47

Don't forget one of her main advisers is Larry Summers. marym625 Mar 2015 #92

All of her advisors should be anethema to Democrats. Scuba Mar 2015 #109

+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #123

I'm a woman, marym625 Mar 2015 #91

WE loses even compared to a Repub Senate, House and Bush White house or Ted Cruz or Rubio NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #42

No, but we lose compared to a Sanders or Warren in the White House. We lose at a slower pace ... Scuba Mar 2015 #44

I would give anytning for a Sanders WH, i would also give anything to live long enough to watch NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #49

I'm sorry you feel that way too. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #55

If she wins, I win, my family and friends win, women and kids win...so my "we" ain't your "we." nt MADem Mar 2015 #105

So you and your family and friends are ready to fight and finance another war? Another .... Scuba Mar 2015 #108

Aren't you the mind reader! With talent like that--since you "know" what HRC is "planning" -- why MADem Mar 2015 #112

I'm just going on her track record. Scuba Mar 2015 #114

Gee, that saves thinking critically and intellectually, certainly....so glad I am not like you in MADem Mar 2015 #115

I can forgive past transgressions, if/when apologies are sincere, but there's much more recent .... Scuba Mar 2015 #118

Cue the "BUT BUT BUT" machine!!! You wasted NO time, too! MADem Mar 2015 #120

It's not just the picture, it's the high praise she wrote in her book about the vile war criminal. Scuba Mar 2015 #121

That took all of two seconds....what are ya gonna gripe about next? MADem Mar 2015 #122

That's very troubling. I expected Jimmy to hold to a higher standard. I'm saddened, but not ... Scuba Mar 2015 #125

It is possible that she might pick up Kentucky leftofcool Mar 2015 #14

Not a chance. blackspade Mar 2015 #43

Yes & if he picks Bush or Rubio for VP, there goes Florida. Warren OTOH could win both those states easily regardless. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #79

Any state that Obama won by less that 5% is at risk demwing Mar 2015 #86

So are you saying that TNNurse Mar 2015 #16

As I've posted before, I would hold my nose real hard and vote for Hillary over any Republican. Scuba Mar 2015 #25

The GOP and the left will always vote in a bloc for the party zeemike Mar 2015 #36

Hillary will slaughter the clown car that will roll her way. trumad Mar 2015 #19

really? ellennelle Mar 2015 #40

Walker? trumad Mar 2015 #64

Unless millions are prevented from voting, voting rights is what this board should be concerned with NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #46

Here's an article by Greg Palast, marym625 Mar 2015 #94

+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #90

The DLC lost in 2000 and if HRC in nominated, they will lose in 2016. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #130

Agree on the need for a rigorous primary BeyondGeography Mar 2015 #8

The current crop of republicans are degenerate buffoons. Maybe worse than the last crop. Bugenhagen Mar 2015 #10

So basically, you want a primary debate along the lines of whether we should "annihlate" ... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #11

"And you have no future.... daleanime Mar 2015 #12

It's all about the Supreme Court people greenman3610 Mar 2015 #13

+1000s DinahMoeHum Mar 2015 #29

? ellennelle Mar 2015 #32

+1000 The Next President Will Shape The SCOTUS For Years... Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #38

oh good grief ellennelle Mar 2015 #54

When Did I Say That Hillary Should Be Our Nominee? Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #72

And who is that nominee? blackspade Mar 2015 #57

Precisely, Whomever We Vote To Nominate. Corey_Baker08 Mar 2015 #73

I agree 100%..President Obama's most lasting legacy is on this link Hawaii Hiker Mar 2015 #60

That tired canard? blackspade Mar 2015 #58

I am a life long dem but the reality of how dysfunctional our government is and how it CentralMass Mar 2015 #17

+1 newfie11 Mar 2015 #65

I keep on being amazed that those who airily dismiss SheilaT Mar 2015 #21

Not many, if any, "haven't a clue" that Clinton has any vulnerabilities.... George II Mar 2015 #41

Those who dismiss Warren, Sanders, or anyone else for that matter davidpdx Mar 2015 #137

Bring it on .. ProudProg2u Mar 2015 #24

OK! Then let's talk "Hillary's Vice President." rgbecker Mar 2015 #26

I can live with that if thats what it takes ProudProg2u Mar 2015 #30

Any Democrat's VP...Julian is the one...he's been promoted to HUD and resides in DC. Great Left libdem4life Mar 2015 #85

back in 07... ellennelle Mar 2015 #28

I agree davidpdx Mar 2015 #138

Sanders knows this. If he runs, he will be doing so to force the viable candidates tblue37 Mar 2015 #31

Yep. He will add an important voice to the debate. I hope he runs. nt cyberswede Mar 2015 #119

Thanks for being so blunt - although what you say is pretty much known by everyone, it's... George II Mar 2015 #33

That is, like your opinion, man. blackspade Mar 2015 #35

She was inevitable before. Just like now. Failed then, will do so again. peacebird Mar 2015 #48

If I had a dollar for every time I have seen this meme posted on DU I could buy a new flat screen NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #51

Same for the HRC is inevitable, unbeatable and It's Her Turn! memes...... peacebird Mar 2015 #52

Clinton is not and never has been a Progressive Cryptoad Mar 2015 #50

I admire both Warren and Sanders... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #53

Precisely why everyone should stop pledging their blind loyalty to Hillary, at least until the primaries are over. Simple common sense. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #81

We are going to draft Warren here in Iowa 4dsc Mar 2015 #59

Good luck in the general leftofcool Mar 2015 #76

Now that would be awesome! I could get behind that effort - where do I sign up? InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #82

I'm not sure you understand how politics works today... brooklynite Mar 2015 #111

Screw Clinton. EEO Mar 2015 #61

Umm... No thanks. Fearless Mar 2015 #62

If Sanders doesn't have a hope in hell, it is only because some people will do whatever it takes 1monster Mar 2015 #63

The smell of self defeat... Bohemianwriter Mar 2015 #66

Reason to vote for HRC Thespian2 Mar 2015 #68

No one has declared, if Hillary doesn't declare by the end of 2015 HoosierCowboy Mar 2015 #69

Unrecommended...nt Enthusiast Mar 2015 #70

"TOUGH, EXPERIENCED, and READY" Martin Eden Mar 2015 #71

LOL. *She's* "ready" . As is the rest of Clinton Inc. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #106

Actually Warren and Hillary are rated the same on the standings chart. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #74

"Warren...could not win a national election" demwing Mar 2015 #75

Yeah seriously, some people neva learn from history. Perhaps, as the sayin goes, they're destined to repeat it. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2015 #83

You are obviously a Hillary acolyte Stainless Mar 2015 #84

You know what makes me sick about all this infighting between Clintonites and progressives who Baitball Blogger Mar 2015 #88

Owch, be careful man davidpdx Mar 2015 #139

I have an idea. Why don't we discuss who the Republican Party would like as the Democratic libdem4life Mar 2015 #93

If it's Sanders vs Clinton in Iowa, Bernie can win Dems to Win Mar 2015 #99

I agree OP eom workinclasszero Mar 2015 #100

But they WILL campaign for the nominee--and that's a good thing. MADem Mar 2015 #101

You really expected everyone to climb aboard the HRC bandwagon, before the primaries? djean111 Mar 2015 #102

Who said anything about "before the primaries?" And who's running at this point in time? Anyone? MADem Mar 2015 #104

You're right on both counts. vi5 Mar 2015 #103

I think John Poet Mar 2015 #107

+1. We're re-defining "socialism" to reflect its actual meaning. Smarmie Doofus Mar 2015 #113

There comes a time kacekwl Mar 2015 #116

I read that Sanders said he wouldn't be running BainsBane Mar 2015 #127

Did you read that recently? Do you have a link? nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #129

Yes, it was recently. BainsBane Mar 2015 #131

I did google it and everything indicates he is considering running. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #132

This is what I saw BainsBane Mar 2015 #133

Not Ready for Clinton 2016 blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #128

Bernie hasn't made a decision, John Poet Mar 2015 #134

I don't fuckin' care Splinter Cell Mar 2015 #135

Amen. AtomicKitten Mar 2015 #136