2016 Postmortem

Bluenorthwest

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9. I find it offensive to claim that was him talking about marriage equality. Bernie supported marriage

Sat Jun 27, 2015, 08:13 PM

Jun 2015

equality the day he heard of the idea I'm sure, that's who he is and why I support him. But in 1972, when he spoke of 'abolishing all laws dealing with sexual behavior' including homosexuality, he was speaking about repealing actual laws against homosexuality which existed and were currently enforced all over the country. I would rather that straight people not let themselves believe that in 1972 'gay rights' meant 'supporting gay marriage' when what it meant was supporting not locking us up and not firing us from jobs.
CA was the first State to actually repeal those laws and they did so in 1975. Note that in repealing those laws against homosexuality, a right to marriage was not created. No one was even talking about it. It was illegal to have sex, so we were not in fact calling for marriage rights as yet. 14 States had those laws on the books until 2003 when SCOTUS ruled in Texas v Lawrence.

So Bernie is definitive the candidate with the best LGBT record, no doubt about it at all. He's also not supporting 'gay marriage' in that letter. He's telling other Americans to stop arresting us for existing and meeting.

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I have a question about Sanders' opposition to DOMA [View all] dsc Jun 2015 OP

Please !!! Actions ( Votes ) speak louder than platitudes and getting on board after it's OK . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #1

they why doesn't Hillary's vote against the amendment dsc Jun 2015 #2

You need to read up on Sanders. Clearly you are working hard to undo his long, indisputable record. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #3

I have no idea what he said dsc Jun 2015 #4

Correct verbiage ? Like when you hire a speech coach for effect ? He speaks Comprehensively not orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #12

It isn't my standard it is the standard that most here are applying to Clinton dsc Jun 2015 #16

I judge her on how she's taken resposibility for her Actions, Votes and who she owes . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #17

He voted AGAINST DOMA BECAUSE HE ALWAYS SUPPORTED sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #19

support for marriage equality was below 30 and probably below 20 in 96 dsc Jun 2015 #21

I think you bring up a fair point. boston bean Jun 2015 #47

Glad to see you doing this research. DURHAM D Jun 2015 #29

Obviously he'd have voted against it because DADT was homophobic. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #31

Is your name dsc? DURHAM D Jun 2015 #32

He voted against the bill DADT was on, which funded the entire military dsc Jun 2015 #33

iows - his "anti-DADT" vote might have just DURHAM D Jun 2015 #34

No I am not saying that dsc Jun 2015 #36

Soon after DADT was passed I DURHAM D Jun 2015 #37

He also voted against adding the "don't ask don't tell" amendment prior to voting against Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #56

+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #10

I have a better question for you. Bonobo Jun 2015 #18

It is enough for me dsc Jun 2015 #22

He wrote this letter in 1972. madfloridian Jun 2015 #5

that refers to sodomy laws dsc Jun 2015 #7

Raw Story interpreted it the same way I did. "all laws" related to homosexuality madfloridian Jun 2015 #24

I read all three links dsc Jun 2015 #26

..... madfloridian Jun 2015 #30

I'm posting a link to the text of a major speech by Harvey Milk given in 1977, note the areas of Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #43

Actually I did not claim that. At that time there was no talk of marriage. madfloridian Jun 2015 #50

I find it offensive to claim that was him talking about marriage equality. Bernie supported marriage Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #9

I find it offensive Hillary supporters don't consider that an opinion, or statement . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #13

thanks for straight explaining that us to us dsc Jun 2015 #15

I'm a Bernie supporter but also gay and not ignorant of history I lived so I understand what Bernie Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #44

I'm straight and a member of GLAD and Harvey Milk is a hero to me, you being a supporter orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #69

Oooo.. okasha Jun 2015 #67

I find it offensive that anyone claiming to be a Liberal didn't support it 'the minute they heard sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #23

Obama appointed two of the four justices who ruled in our favor dsc Jun 2015 #28

....Never mind. madfloridian Jun 2015 #35

I'm not talking about Hillary, nor am I talking about the anti gay Pope whom you defend who says Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #42

I support progress. If you prefer someone with the power to STOP the Right Wing bigots in this sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #46

Please read the letter SamKnause Jun 2015 #6

again that doesn't refer to marriage equality dsc Jun 2015 #8

There's this.... catnhatnh Jun 2015 #11

thanks dsc Jun 2015 #14

No, he was not and no matter how many times you ask the question, the answer will remain the SAME. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #51

Kerry referred to DOMA as "gay bashing" karynnj Jun 2015 #20

I am not complaining about Kerry's position dsc Jun 2015 #27

no, but you are attempting to diminish both his and karynnj Jun 2015 #39

The notion that that vote was risky for Kerry is borderline absurd dsc Jun 2015 #40

I get bothered by this sudden flurry of interest in DOMA votes out of straights who have never cared Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #45

Hair splitting. How much nuance do you need? marble falls Jun 2015 #25

I find the argument itself silly. Egnever Jun 2015 #38

Lol. You run with that. morningfog Jun 2015 #41

To put these questions about Bernieand DOMA into perspective: marble falls Jun 2015 #48

It should be noted that she voted the right way after her speech dsc Jun 2015 #49

In his 1996 book "Outsider In The House", Bernie writes of his support for marriage equality. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #52

Great paragraph from 1996. Thanks for sharing. madfloridian Jun 2015 #54

Also see here starting on page 134, where, in 1996, he writes about homophobia and DOMA Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #53

These are similar to the arguments that other straight opponents of DOMA made dsc Jun 2015 #55

It amazes me that Sanders continues to be castigated for not saying something.. frylock Jun 2015 #57

I am not castigating anyone dsc Jun 2015 #59

Well it's done, and nothing he can say today will make much of a difference.. frylock Jun 2015 #60

I am not asking for what he is saying now dsc Jun 2015 #61

There is no evidence. Case closed. Move on and continue your support of Clinton. frylock Jun 2015 #62

I highly doubt he didn't go on the record at some point dsc Jun 2015 #63

Oh ffs. Try Google. frylock Jun 2015 #64

I did where to you think I found the Congressional Record dsc Jun 2015 #65

Here's a suggestion for you. Sanders is on the Thom Hartmann show.. frylock Jun 2015 #66

Let it go. Maedhros Jun 2015 #58

Summary. okasha Jun 2015 #68

Pretty much. boston bean Jun 2015 #70

That's a rather bold interpretation. Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #71