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26. I'm replying to deflections

Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:21 PM

Jun 2015

...as I said in my op, lip service isn't going to suffice. Don't believe for a minute that I'm not going to continue to challenge candidates, including my own, to fully embrace the agendas I support and advocate.

I'm not taking a back seat to any politician or supporter and stifling myself while I wait for them to advocate for me.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bigtree Jun 2015 OP

Isn't that interesting? MADem Jun 2015 #1

"Nothing to see here," for some. For a good many others it was glaringly obvious. Cha Jun 2015 #8

What was glaringly obvious? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #140

'Bernie doesn't care' was a strawman invented by his supporters. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #161

"Bernie is a fallible mortal like anybody else.." George II Jun 2015 #173

We've never denied she was either. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #176

We see all the time here that she changes her positions with the political wind, etc. George II Jun 2015 #185

She does. And this doesn't contradict the idea that she's a fallible mortal. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #193

Bernie stuck his wet finger in the air and felt the brush of the winds of fate...and changed. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #197

Really, Sheepshank? Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #206

yeah...really...referring to this thread: Sheepshank Jun 2015 #207

I don't care to argue, Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #208

ooops, I was updating/editing my comment while you were posting Sheepshank Jun 2015 #209

All is forgiven. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #212

Wrong. Hillary can evolve. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #237

Because Bernie never changed who he was, never sold out. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #238

Yes there certainly are other candidates. BTW, OP poster have you been out of the country? This appalachiablue Jul 2015 #239

I saw posts from Sanders supporters TODAY feeling that he has properly explained his policies on Number23 Jun 2015 #194

Thank you, 23! Cha Jun 2015 #236

Just so long as Bernie supporters realize that evolving on this matter is already too late. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #196

No, I don't think it is EVER too late for people to realize and change--only Republicans think that MADem Jun 2015 #201

I was being a little fecisious...of course people should be allowed to evolve. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #204

I knew you were having a little fun; so was I. MADem Jun 2015 #211

I can't imagine how anyone could get that impression Fumesucker Jun 2015 #2

some here took extreme posts and projected them on EVERY instance where someone complained bigtree Jun 2015 #3

He's been called racist here for not saying three words. madfloridian Jun 2015 #4

more deflection bigtree Jun 2015 #5

Enough. madfloridian Jun 2015 #6

I didn't say he was a racist, never have bigtree Jun 2015 #14

What is it that you're looking for out of Bernie or his supporters? Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #49

a more direct discussion of issues and concerns of the black community bigtree Jun 2015 #54

This took me 2 seconds to find. Does this count? Bonobo Jun 2015 #63

of course it does bigtree Jun 2015 #69

LOL. Bonobo Jun 2015 #72

no, I won't be stifled from demanding that my concerns are addressed bigtree Jun 2015 #75

Absolutely, I understand. Bonobo Jun 2015 #78

And defending the demonization of a candidate as indifferent to particular concerns Ken Burch Jun 2015 #113

You do know he was an organizer for SNCC Ken Burch Jun 2015 #73

pointing to his past record is illuminating of his character and support bigtree Jun 2015 #77

It just occured to me Bernie is running.... sgtbenobo Jun 2015 #101

If you're going to be consistent on this, please call on HRC to apologize for helping build the DLC. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #110

and incumbents aspirant Jun 2015 #114

them too. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #138

BINGO! kath Jun 2015 #168

Sorry, but your posts are full of it. HERVEPA Jun 2015 #203

I know that he's given these issues I've outlined in my op low priority bigtree Jun 2015 #215

You keep asking what's an an unanswerable question at the moment HERVEPA Jun 2015 #217

and that makes me 'full of it?' bigtree Jun 2015 #218

can you please give one example dsc Jun 2015 #7

That is deliberate nitpicking. madfloridian Jun 2015 #10

No it isn't dsc Jun 2015 #11

No, you're assertion was a straw man. Each time that has been alleged stevenleser Jun 2015 #70

It has been implied AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #103

Who here called Sanders a racist? Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #12

I do. AnnetteJacobs Jun 2015 #100

Where in the thread? Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #104

You wont find it anywhere. It is a convenient strawman to try to shut down discussion of the issue. stevenleser Jun 2015 #166

See #240, #2. The prinicpal and possible worst attack among others. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #242

And a poster earlier this week actually accused Bernie of seeking the votes of bigots. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #57

Folks who are prone to use strawmen don't need much encouragement. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #167

"NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE" OP May 27, 2015 after Sanders Campaign Kickoff Event. Direct flame bait appalachiablue Jul 2015 #240

Good for Bernie being "honest".. Cha Jun 2015 #9

the problem is that just because more hispanics and blacks are poor dsc Jun 2015 #13

You're absolutely right, dsc. Cha Jun 2015 #15

And Bernie was always going to address that. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #19

oh you mean like the thread where Hillary doesn't talk incessantly about the environment Sheepshank Jun 2015 #198

Bernie has spoken out against police violence DURING this campaign. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #133

There is no slur in that statement. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #122

He was always going to do that anyway. He never needed to be forced. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #16

so your contention is he deliberately lowballed his focus on the black community in his rhetoric bigtree Jun 2015 #17

He never lowballed his focus on poc, or women, or LGBTQ people. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #21

that's not a very good excuse bigtree Jun 2015 #25

He didn't lowball anything. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #61

Bernie's issue has been Economics and I hope he's finding out since his statement in 2014 that Cha Jun 2015 #99

Bernie never said that economic issues were ALL that mattered. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #121

Bernie fights for all Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #169

He's never ever said race doesn't matter. He's just said class matters, too. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #183

maybe because people fear it won't be a priority if he isn't talking about it dsc Jun 2015 #18

you hit that right on the head bigtree Jun 2015 #22

Why are you still attacking on this? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #24

I'm replying to deflections bigtree Jun 2015 #26

I've been in the Bernie group calling on Bernie to talk about this more. I have listened. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #23

I'm an O'Malley supporter (not a Clinton supporter) advocating for issues and concerns I believe in bigtree Jun 2015 #27

For the record dsc Jun 2015 #28

I like Brown, too. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #55

I think that he is going to have problems in this area dsc Jun 2015 #71

Holy crapola kenfrequed Jun 2015 #229

"You can't be part of building the DLC and then later bash other people as not being anti-oppression kath Jun 2015 #170

you mean like the lack of priority Hillary has, as described on this thread? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #199

To the extent that she isn't addressing it that is a fair concern dsc Jun 2015 #202

These events are happening under Obama's watch too aspirant Jun 2015 #20

"He's had 7 years to crush these societal problems.." Oh yeah, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Cha Jun 2015 #98

Happening under Obama's watch aspirant Jun 2015 #105

Unfortunately Bernie's supporters on DU are not his best advocates.. this is about Bernie and his Cha Jun 2015 #107

"Unfortunately" Obama's "supporters...are not his best advocates" aspirant Jun 2015 #111

Bernie is the one running for President. President Obama's polls are 86% among Liberal Dems.. Cha Jun 2015 #115

But the entire AA community is not doing fine aspirant Jun 2015 #117

Yeah, maybe Bernie will get the message. Cha Jun 2015 #119

Why isn't Obama getting the message too? aspirant Jun 2015 #123

So much of the African American Communiity loves Pres Obama.. I'm not sure about Bernie. Cha Jun 2015 #125

What about the one's that are aspirant Jun 2015 #129

You're the only trying to make the President look bad to build up Bernie.. poor Bernie. Cha Jun 2015 #132

We look at the President's performances too aspirant Jun 2015 #136

Obama's Grace~ The President is an inspiration~ Cha Jun 2015 #143

Can he inspire himself aspirant Jun 2015 #145

President Obama is such a beautiful soul. What an amazing successful week our Country has had! Cha Jun 2015 #148

Thanks for the link cha mcar Jun 2015 #186

I have a couple of more today, mcar.. Cha Jun 2015 #190

I will check them out mcar Jun 2015 #191

You're only trying to make Bernie look bad to build up the most conservative candidate in the race. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #142

Nah, I'm not trying to make bernie look bad.. but, I agree with bigtree's OP. Cha Jun 2015 #144

Bernie was going to make a major speech on anti-oppression issues last Sunday. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #146

DLC - "Democrats for the Leisure Class" kath Jun 2015 #172

+5. I also use the (buy-partisan) Investor Class appalachiablue Jul 2015 #241

Why does President Obama hate the AA community? zappaman Jun 2015 #175

I know, zappa.. hilariously ignorant deflection! Cha Jun 2015 #189

No, it's not. This entire form is called General Discussion - Primaries. Obama is not running stevenleser Jun 2015 #162

Oh, it's the self-proclaimed unpaid Fox News guy aspirant Jun 2015 #188

Just like your candidate Bernie. You should call him up and criticize him right away. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #230

He's running for President and a sitting Senator, are you? aspirant Jun 2015 #231

That means nothing. He goes to argue Democratic points. Same as me. Go criticize him. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #232

Running for President and a Senator means nothing? aspirant Jun 2015 #233

Nope, if its evil to go on that network, its evil. Go criticize Sanders. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #234

Sanders has a reason to go, you don't. aspirant Jun 2015 #235

DOJ has investigated hate crimes BainsBane Jun 2015 #149

What are Obama and DoJ solutions to aspirant Jun 2015 #187

I suggest you don't vote for Obama since he didn't fix the AA social problems thing. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #200

7 years of "Hope and Change" aspirant Jun 2015 #214

Ill be glad when primaries are finally over and you leave Sheepshank Jun 2015 #216

Then why respond? aspirant Jun 2015 #219

Simple Sheepshank Jun 2015 #220

You're being to "predictable" aspirant Jun 2015 #221

I'm ok with this particular predictability Sheepshank Jun 2015 #222

Are you still on tha "hope" and change wave aspirant Jun 2015 #223

Palin...is that you...or are you a special DU'er just trying to bait me? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #224

Fishing chum is all that's necessary here. aspirant Jun 2015 #225

hope you don't aspirate on the stuff you are flinging out. n/t Sheepshank Jun 2015 #226

The chum is just too inticing aspirant Jun 2015 #227

Responses like this BainsBane Jun 2015 #147

It's Bernie's campaign aspirant Jun 2015 #150

Sanders has said the campaign is about the people BainsBane Jun 2015 #153

Do you think Bernie's state of knowledge is lacking? aspirant Jun 2015 #154

That's fair JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #155

"losing ground" but gaining in the polls aspirant Jun 2015 #156

No - that would be JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #158

You feelings got hurt. It's time to get over it. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #29

wow bigtree Jun 2015 #30

You are confusing a lot of different things. Bonobo Jun 2015 #34

You might want to look at post 4 in this thread dsc Jun 2015 #47

you have nothing to offer except for a defense of your candidate bigtree Jun 2015 #52

Dude, your OP starts with "We Were Accused!" Bonobo Jun 2015 #53

and we were accused bigtree Jun 2015 #56

Your issues of hurt feelings relate to DU relationships. It is meta. Bonobo Jun 2015 #62

you don't get to dictate how I feel bigtree Jun 2015 #65

Yes, yes. See post #67. Bonobo Jun 2015 #68

Why can't you admit that those concerns were unfounded? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #137

Jury results - 1-6 leave. Lancero Jun 2015 #35

I haven't had a hidden post in 30 days! Bonobo Jun 2015 #39

not my alert bigtree Jun 2015 #58

I don't really think that he got your message...... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #31

Yes, very good post. So true. madfloridian Jun 2015 #33

we'll see if that suffices bigtree Jun 2015 #37

Yeah, I doubt if he got the Black Community's message either.. but, we'll see. Cha Jun 2015 #108

That would be unfortunate BainsBane Jun 2015 #151

If Obama listens and understands aspirant Jun 2015 #152

So Bernie is deaf (although he's turned up his hearing aid) and he can't fix things either? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #205

I'm glad you agree that Obama aspirant Jun 2015 #213

My point is that he has always been listening.... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #164

Bernie posted this on Twitter on June 11, days before Charleston and the many posts here... madfloridian Jun 2015 #32

many have said the same about politicians' efforts in addressing the LGBT community bigtree Jun 2015 #41

To direct it at a candidate who has stood for the needs of people his whole career.. madfloridian Jun 2015 #45

you don't know what will 'matter' to me bigtree Jun 2015 #60

I care what matters. madfloridian Jun 2015 #88

it's called 'holding feet to the fire' bigtree Jun 2015 #92

By demanding he do something he has been doing for over 50 years? AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #182

Sanders will deliver on all of our platform Babel_17 Jun 2015 #36

I'd like to quote your words toward those of us who complained about Rick Warren at the Inaugural Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #38

Make sure to not hold your breath while you wait for a response. Bonobo Jun 2015 #40

you contradict the very point about my defense of these complaints against Sanders bigtree Jun 2015 #43

I will speak for myself here dsc Jun 2015 #44

Thanks for the info. LeftOfWest Jun 2015 #51

Good point. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #59

I'm glad he is BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #42

I'm glad he is, as well, BrotherIvan bigtree Jun 2015 #46

I think all of the issues are important but the murdering cops BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #48

Window dressing. You're ridiculous. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #50

ridiculous to hope that this effort comprises more than lip service from a politician? bigtree Jun 2015 #64

No. I really don't. You're trying too hard. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #79

your concern for my efforts is noted bigtree Jun 2015 #84

The "Your concern is noted" thing is kinda played out. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #85

"you're ridiculous" You're not trying hard enough. Cha Jun 2015 #116

Is Obama trying hard enough to fix all these problems? aspirant Jun 2015 #118

Bernie needs to try harder.. that's what he said anyway.. we'll see. Cha Jun 2015 #120

This idea that Bernie isn't good enough on minority concerns is a manufactured issue. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #124

his own words.. “We’re going to significantly increase that,” the Democratic presidential hopeful to Cha Jun 2015 #127

What? He's going to increase his mentions of success? He's going to tell people what he's done on Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #130

Why isn't Obama trying harder, he's the President? aspirant Jun 2015 #126

It's only you saying he isn't.. so many in the AA community love President Obama. Cha Jun 2015 #128

The ones behind bars aspirant Jun 2015 #134

His "pet issue" of economics? Whether people can afford food, health care, and education.... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #66

I can 'afford food' bigtree Jun 2015 #74

"To ignore that" Bonobo Jun 2015 #76

I didn't discount it. I made the observation that 2 minutes in a campaign isn't enough bigtree Jun 2015 #81

Read your own post. I will make it easy for you. Bonobo Jun 2015 #83

let me make it 'easy' for you bigtree Jun 2015 #87

I understand. Bonobo Jun 2015 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #80

Bernie has never ignored that. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #131

Another great post. Your sentence in the 1st paragraph, beginning w/ "HRC has spent decades" kath Jun 2015 #178

Hillary has a long history of pandering. Maedhros Jun 2015 #210

Posting tips 101! Bonobo Jun 2015 #67

" economic success for many black Americans" < Has there been a black-owned gold strike? jtuck004 Jun 2015 #82

those issues are important bigtree Jun 2015 #86

"despicable"< Is a word I also use when people pretend that others conditions are better than they jtuck004 Jun 2015 #91

you're telling me what I was referring to? bigtree Jun 2015 #94

Wait a min CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #90

Yes, the same Hillary that said that the hardworking Americans Bonobo Jun 2015 #93

I haven't 'labeled him a racist' bigtree Jun 2015 #95

I'm out, folks bigtree Jun 2015 #96

So I ask you this CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #97

Nobody implied Bernie is a racist.. that's pure hogwash from his so called advocates on DU who Cha Jun 2015 #112

There is that strawman again. No one called Bernie a racist. Nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #163

Those who pushed this ignored his 50 year record AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #102

Meta. There was a political point there, but it got drowned out by the OP's posturing. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #106

You're trying to shut down discussion.. not gonna happen. Cha Jun 2015 #109

There's no valid discussion that needs to happen here. There was never a real issue. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #135

Sez you.. that means less than nothing to me. Cha Jun 2015 #139

No other candidates have a better record on anti-oppression issues. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #141

There was no real claim that you called Bernie a racist Ken Burch Jun 2015 #157

No, I'm pretty sure the people accused of implying Sanders was a racist were Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #159

nonexistent. Just add that word to your subject and that is all that is needed. stevenleser Jun 2015 #165

Economics isn't his "pet issue". It's his lens through which he sees the world. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #160

It almost sounds like some people won't believe he's anti-oppression Ken Burch Jun 2015 #174

Popcorn...time nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #171

Hillary's supporters are cherry-picking Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #179

It is worst than just cherry picking nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #180

We will get the kitchen sink again and the Xeroxing Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #181

The campaign has moved to more diverse states. CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #177

interesting argument bigtree Jun 2015 #184

It's not. Hopefully they will feel a connection. mmonk Jun 2015 #192

I think Bernie will do very well addressing those issues. lovemydog Jun 2015 #195

What amazing powers you wield! Your criticism went back in time and made him jeff47 Jun 2015 #228