2016 Postmortem

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67. MSNBC is TV

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Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:47 AM

Jul 2015

and Howard said it.

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Is Bernie Sanders the Howard Dean of 2016? [View all] brooklynite Jul 2015 OP

They established that in the media that he's not Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #1

Care to elaborate on your cryptic response? brooklynite Jul 2015 #2

What Howard Dean said: his was different Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #61

Could you people please get your act together? brooklynite Jul 2015 #62

LA Times reported it Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #64

The MSM that you don't trust? brooklynite Jul 2015 #65

MSNBC is TV Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #67

It's so hard to find good help these days Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #71

Dean was a centrist with Trippi as a campaign manager karynnj Jul 2015 #73

He folded at the end. Bellower Jul 2015 #46

Don't know but i take him seriously. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #3

dean actually was leading at times JI7 Jul 2015 #4

Bradley was never the choice of "real Democrats" brooklynite Jul 2015 #5

What's that supposed to mean? Stardust Jul 2015 #50

Bernie Sanders does NOT "go negative" which Dean apparently did before he tanked 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #6

yet wyldwolf Jul 2015 #33

Trust me, he won't. Bellower Jul 2015 #47

Tad Devine: implicit negative messages aimed at Clinton will certainly be "embedded" in Sanders' ads wyldwolf Jul 2015 #49

Bernie doesn't need to go negative LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #69

Is Hillary Clinton the Hillary Clinton of 2008? Bjorn Against Jul 2015 #7

The Hillary Clinton of 2008 would be a great candidate in 2016... brooklynite Jul 2015 #9

I think both of these line graphs were/are alarming for Clinton. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #26

Except that in 2008, Clinton was under 50%, so there was enough room for Obama to grow... brooklynite Jul 2015 #40

She is trending down every month, Bernie is trending up every month. peacebird Jul 2015 #52

Except your math is incorrect. Bellower Jul 2015 #54

I'm pretty sure no one on DU to a stats class... Agschmid Jul 2015 #55

I'm not disputing that Sanders is going up...it's that Clinton isn't going down... brooklynite Jul 2015 #58

She's going down in the states that are introduced to Bernie Sanders. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #83

Yep. In short, Clinton is performing better that 2008 and Sanders is no Barack Obama wyldwolf Jul 2015 #34

She self destructed in 08 AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #43

See Bernie's trend? Bellower Jul 2015 #48

I don't think any comparisons get us very far. morningfog Jul 2015 #8

Totally 100% agree Sheepshank Jul 2015 #57

Dean was a fine candidate. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #10

I have a couple of links for you. About Iowa and delegates and Edwards and Kucinich. madfloridian Jul 2015 #11

Ah! The "No True Scotsman" argument... brooklynite Jul 2015 #12

I remember the anger and hatred and bitterness about everything. madfloridian Jul 2015 #13

Actually it was look how caucuses work when deals are made to shut out a candidate... madfloridian Jul 2015 #21

Yep...deals made to shut out candidates Sheepshank Jul 2015 #56

'Deaniacs' thought he was the liberal saviour wyldwolf Jul 2015 #35

he still would have lost karynnj Jul 2015 #81

Dean was a stronger and more well known candidate. onehandle Jul 2015 #14

The vetting period for Sanders is still on going. More information about his voting Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #15

Dean got sunk by Saddam being captured which made our electorate much less anti war dsc Jul 2015 #16

The real question, is Hillary Clinton the John Kerry of 2004.....? virtualobserver Jul 2015 #17

Chicken Dinner! Indepatriot Jul 2015 #18

kerry did not use dirty tricks and is an exceptional karynnj Jul 2015 #78

I worked my butt off for Kerry, but he's BORING to listen to, and, as is the norm, he and the Indepatriot Jul 2015 #82

kerry did take on the sbvt karynnj Jul 2015 #84

+1 nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #28

kerry was better on not taking PAC money than most karynnj Jul 2015 #76

1. Sanders is a Liberal MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #19

are you the appointed spokesperson for 99/100 Americans? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #23

Exactly DeeDeeNY Jul 2015 #32

Spot on. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #53

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #70

It is a more fair comparison than your last one. Bonobo Jul 2015 #20

For one, Bernie can learn from the mistakes Dean made. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #22

First they ignore you AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #24

In some very important ways, yes. SheilaT Jul 2015 #25

Dean only lost because the DNC was determined to bring him down at any cost. Live and Learn Jul 2015 #27

he didn't lose because he did anything wrong or karynnj Jul 2015 #79

Unions Depaysement Jul 2015 #29

Electability concerns make this an apt parallel, imo BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #30

A fair comparison, but Dean was more viable, particularly in the GE, than Sanders IMO. DanTex Jul 2015 #31

How is he different to something that hasn't happened yet? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #36

Comic relief madokie Jul 2015 #38

Bernie Sanders madokie Jul 2015 #37

Is Hillary the Thomas E. Dewey of 2016? Please allow me KingCharlemagne Jul 2015 #39

Once again, an example of something different with no explanation as to its relevance... brooklynite Jul 2015 #41

We'll see how relevant it is when the Democratic Convention takes place in 2016. My guess KingCharlemagne Jul 2015 #42

Why not just say Bernie is not right wing enough for you? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #44

As with Ron Paul, I'm not arguing about Sanders' policies... brooklynite Jul 2015 #59

So Ron Paul's policies are OK by you? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #63

Of course not... brooklynite Jul 2015 #66

Oh... AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #68

Thank you. Does this never end? I don't think so. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #60

In the sense that corporate "Dems" want to take him down, he is. polichick Jul 2015 #45

He's the Bernie Sanders of 2016 n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #51

Dean in 2004 AND HRC in 2008 had very dissapointing results karynnj Jul 2015 #72

...except Clinton went on to win NH in 2008... brooklynite Jul 2015 #74

barely even though even a few weeks earlier karynnj Jul 2015 #75

A noble effort. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #77

The time is right for an authentic candidate. It wasn't the right time when Dean was running Quixote1818 Jul 2015 #80