2016 Postmortem

ruffburr

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3. my July fourth bbq -

Sun Jul 5, 2015, 04:02 PM

Jul 2015

I had my friend Juan over he is from Guatemala, he asked about who I thought was best of course I showed him some Bernie info and told him to check out Bernie Sanders .com he is well known in his community and I do believe he will tell his folks ,The point being talk to everyone you know or meet if the opportunity arises.

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Sanders & Minorities [View all] kcjohn1 Jul 2015 OP

I belong to a minotity (Hispanic). I'm not a "low information voter". I support Hillary, and not lunamagica Jul 2015 #1

I respect your support for Hillary kcjohn1 Jul 2015 #4

I will take a stab... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #5

I don't know about Latino's but... Stellar Jul 2015 #132

Well... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #133

Yes, she is well known among that populous... Stellar Jul 2015 #140

Everybody has to follow their own moral and political compass. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #142

Exactly! Stellar Jul 2015 #145

If you go the National Review, the magazine he founded... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #147

Many African Americans are much more aware of what has happened in this country in the appalachiablue Jul 2015 #150

Buckley was an abhorrent racist, too! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #153

No ma'am/sir!! Black voters left the Clintons in DROVES due to their racism. We didn't just IMAGINE Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #152

and it took a lot for them to leave... Stellar Jul 2015 #165

Thanks for this because I can't! Will people please stop thinking black people are STUPID! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #151

WOW...somebody that gets it.... Stellar Jul 2015 #164

We need more people to speak out. People of color are being shut down when we do. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #174

This is the post that got me to finally sign up here! artislife Jul 2015 #181

You're quite welcome. And greetings. Welcome. Don't allow anyone here to bully you into shutting up. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #200

I already had my account shut down...by mistake..interestingly enough. nt artislife Jul 2015 #205

They lost any right to claim to be on the side of minorities when they formed the DLC, though. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #167

Should Secretary Of State Kerry and Vice President Biden apologize for joining the DLC DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #168

Yes. Because if you join the DLC, you can't care about fighting bigotry. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #169

I am not defending the DLC. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #170

Ok, that's good that you aren't defending it. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #175

+1000 kath Jul 2015 #198

Hi there, on the subject of Sanders denigration maybe you saw this major assault on him right after appalachiablue Jul 2015 #187

I like the poster that made that post. I don't like the post./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #188

Remember back in '08? Bernie supporters love to bring that up. lunamagica Jul 2015 #6

I agree with your post, okasha Jul 2015 #11

Regardless of everything else being debated, Sanders cannot win without the minority vote. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #17

None. Nor is there any way for him okasha Jul 2015 #20

Praying for this! The GOP said there'd NEVER be another GOP president if TX goes blue. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #28

Even if we can make them work for TX it's a win because that means there's less time for them ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #29

But I think we need Castro on the ticket to balance it. An all northeast ticket won't fly well. freshwest Jul 2015 #36

I agree with this, also. okasha Jul 2015 #49

Yes, I think Castro would be an big asset to the ticket! lunamagica Jul 2015 #74

How popular is outside of San Antonio? I live out of state. Family in the Big H. Making a name for freshwest Jul 2015 #129

I would love to see Julian Castro as the VP nominee Gothmog Jul 2015 #128

How well known is he in your part of Texas? n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #130

His brother spoke at a fundraise for my county party and we know his brother Gothmog Jul 2015 #171

I'll be volunteering when the time comes. okasha Jul 2015 #45

We are working hard in Texas to turn it blue Gothmog Jul 2015 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author okasha Jul 2015 #23

And waste in the Rio Grande region led to terribly deformed stillborn babies. freshwest Jul 2015 #31

river water hardly even makes it to mexico these days and what does isn't very clean. Sunlei Jul 2015 #127

I grew up near McAllen Gothmog Jul 2015 #173

Thanks for this and the other post about the Castros. Sounds good they are known. freshwest Jul 2015 #176

I work in Houston and live in Fort Bend Gothmog Jul 2015 #180

Worked with them back in the stone ages when I was teenager phone banking. Is that effective now? freshwest Jul 2015 #189

Phone banking is still effective Gothmog Jul 2015 #190

I found all of it to be true. TX Hispanic family are eager for HRC. Not holding their nose to vote! freshwest Jul 2015 #34

OH, man it would be so so SO wonderful to win Texas! It would be a fatal stab to the GOP lunamagica Jul 2015 #61

Could be because Sanders' supporters okasha Jul 2015 #62

Got anything to support that claim? Any polling data? Anything? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #100

Check out the polls referenced in this thread okasha Jul 2015 #111

You are making unfounded claims and generalizations that are not true and offensive. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #141

You're assuming that everyone okasha Jul 2015 #143

So people who make the effort to get to his events & hear what he has to say are opponents, or appalachiablue Jul 2015 #146

Or comparison shopping for a candidate. okasha Jul 2015 #157

Hispanics tended to have a special affinity for the Clintons, not because they hated Obama. Well... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author moobu2 Jul 2015 #172

It's the 'while liberal knows best' phenomena. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #16

Yes it is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #25

I am tempted to post the exchange where Django first meets Stephen DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #27

But that would be wrong because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #35

I am going to watch it now for a chuckle. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #38

And turning a lot of people off... n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #32

It's clearly comforting to white liberals ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #37

LOL! Nailed! It fires up the... Um. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #40

"Frankly, I find your assumptions really insulting." Number23 Jul 2015 #69

Thank you! I lurk there often. I find the discussions relly interesting, and posted once lunamagica Jul 2015 #73

this nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #90

So you are A-OK TM99 Jul 2015 #102

Hillary has ALWAYS been commited to the Latino population. She has given much more than lip-service lunamagica Jul 2015 #107

You excuse her stance on the deportation of children. TM99 Jul 2015 #108

I see tha you ignored everything in my reply, including the article I linked lunamagica Jul 2015 #112

What I have ignored is your assumptions TM99 Jul 2015 #114

I DON'T believe minorities are low info voters at all, BUT napi21 Jul 2015 #2

my July fourth bbq - ruffburr Jul 2015 #3

I don't think it is right to keep saying that Latinos don't know who Sen. Sanders is lunamagica Jul 2015 #26

Funny, I was at the barber shop on Friday and had 40+ people (I lost count at 40) ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #30

Sanders will not get the minority vote. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #7

He might not get all of it but Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #9

May I ask what state you are living in? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #10

Wyoming ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #39

You're bad./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41

Where? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #12

That's not what I see around me. Like I said in another post, Latinos were really loyal lunamagica Jul 2015 #13

if GA ever turns blue, it will be because of Hispanic voters. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #18

Good post. Except for one thing. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #8

The Sanders campaign okasha Jul 2015 #14

Really? What is it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #57

He can't win without them, okasha Jul 2015 #60

I think he will get them. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #64

You go right on telling yourself that. okasha Jul 2015 #67

I'll just wait and see. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #68

Again with the "name recognition" meme. When will they get how offensive it is? lunamagica Jul 2015 #70

Probably never. okasha Jul 2015 #75

What if I told you Erich is right? -Bernie- Jul 2015 #103

I'd say you arrived on DU three days ago okasha Jul 2015 #106

okasha~ sheshe2 Jul 2015 #113

Thanks for posting that, sheshe. okasha Jul 2015 #158

Yep Gothmog Jul 2015 #178

Mahalo for telling it, Texas Style, okasha! Cha Jul 2015 #125

My pleasure, cha. okasha Jul 2015 #159

. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #138

Backatcha, amigo. okasha Jul 2015 #160

Welcome to DU! zappaman Jul 2015 #118

Precisely. okasha Jul 2015 #163

I am deeply suspicious of anecdotal information DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #134

He doesn't prioritize minority issues, and he has not yet spoken to minorities. MADem Jul 2015 #104

HRC badly needs Sanders to have a minority problem. Therefore, he has one. winter is coming Jul 2015 #15

Barack Obama assiduously courted Latino voters and lost them more than 2-1 in the 08 primaries DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #19

pretty amazing numbers dsc Jul 2015 #54

Probably a generational thing... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #59

it wasn't just hispanic votes in Virginia, Obama did better overall JI7 Jul 2015 #110

Nah, statistics is the "long and the short of it." wyldwolf Jul 2015 #21

I believe she can easily top 80% among African Americans and Latinos. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #22

I see Sanders people missing a key point here. okasha Jul 2015 #24

Sanders won't have to destroy anything AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #115

So you think Bernie's "minority problem" is manufactured? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #46

No, I think that we don't yet have enough data to conclude there *is* a problem winter is coming Jul 2015 #58

Okay ... despite what "minorities" are saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #79

No; we don't have enough data to know whether or not minorities (or anyone else) winter is coming Jul 2015 #81

Don't the numbers suggest that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #82

For now, Bernie is nowhere with minorities, but he hasn't been campaigning winter is coming Jul 2015 #83

True ... And that is the point many have been attempting to make ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #86

He's not "staying in places where his message resonates". winter is coming Jul 2015 #88

Charlton Heston marched with Dr. King too... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #89

When do you get the "unconcerned with minorities" line? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #92

You imply it every time you characterize Bernie's policies as financial issues winter is coming Jul 2015 #97

Okay ... try listening harder to what is being said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #98

Perhaps it's a question of emphasis. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #99

There's a pattern on DU of dismissing what "minorities" themselves are saying. Only white folk Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #201

that's what it sounded like. Not sure Sen Sanders would agree. Cha Jul 2015 #66

Bernie has to sell himself, blaming other candidates does not sell Bernie. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #139

He's not going to win minority votes by spouting dog whistles like he did today. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #33

I am in L A and our murders are way down DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #43

Yes, our Attorney General has take great strides to take guns away from criminals. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #48

I have lived here three years... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #53

wow! I'd not caught that. And great stats. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #44

Oh damn ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #51

Those are tone deaf comments... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #56

Oh, my...I can't believe he said that...I'm speechless. eom lunamagica Jul 2015 #65

If he would have said guns are different in cities BainsBane Jul 2015 #72

Yes, and he was really dishonest about there being "extremes" on both sides of the debate. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #76

Exactly. Those are the same excuses we hear from the NRA BainsBane Jul 2015 #78

Good charts at that link. The deaths in Vermont must be 'hunting accidents' by his reasoning. freshwest Jul 2015 #84

Your perception is a bias based strawman AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #116

I didn't make up that quote. Bernie actually said that. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #117

YOUR interpretation of what he said is a strawman. AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #119

I know what strawman means. Do you know what tone deaf means? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #120

We see these strawmen repeatedly from Hillary supporters AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #122

People who support Hillary aren't doing so because they are "biased" against Bernie. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #123

Her supporters are biased in favor of her AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #124

Many people are moving to Bernie, some from Hillary as you say. Myself and the women in my appalachiablue Jul 2015 #135

I know you're aware that Sanders lived in Chicago, graduated the University of Chicago, BA appalachiablue Jul 2015 #161

Which makes his tone deaf comments that much more surprising. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #162

I've lived in communities with guns in rural Ohio and Virginia, in suburban FL and MD and in appalachiablue Jul 2015 #166

Or 3) you're familiar with the polls and face facts! bettyellen Jul 2015 #42

people have actually been dismissing scientific polls JI7 Jul 2015 #52

+1 nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #91

the only minority group she lost in 2008 was black voters JI7 Jul 2015 #47

Hillary lost black voters when she/her husband/their surrogates started playing the race card. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #202

If they were low info more would be undecided JI7 Jul 2015 #50

I think she had all of the votes 'locked up' at the beginning, simply with 99% name recognition and Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #55

Chris Hayes calls it the revolt of the upper middle class... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #63

And he will lag among women. okasha Jul 2015 #71

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #77

I do love the sound of a brook for a second or two. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #121

Strictly anecdotal, and I run with commie teachers/health care workers/students, but I know Indepatriot Jul 2015 #80

I will see your anecdote and raise you. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #87

Bookmark this post. Bernie will hand HRC another Super Tuesday defeat, just as Obama did. Indepatriot Jul 2015 #109

As Chairman Mao said "Before you speak, investigate." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #131

My frame of reference was skewed DSB. I worked on Obama's campaign and we considered 35-40% of Indepatriot Jul 2015 #136

I am unemployed as well but my gf isn't DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #137

A double-edged coin... OnlyBernieBurnsBush Jul 2015 #85

Its just Name ID -- I'm a minority voter Report1212 Jul 2015 #93

Respectfully I believe you are shortchanging the political acumen of your peers but we shall see... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #94

Its a fact, most people in the country dont know bernie sanders Report1212 Jul 2015 #96

It's name ID cause Bernie isn't in Oakcliff, North Philly, Southside Chi, El Segundo... he's in uponit7771 Jul 2015 #182

Yes, but he will move through the South he already vowed to do this Report1212 Jul 2015 #203

Sanders will need better numbers among minorities to get the nomination. DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #95

Hillary's support in these communities is real and it's deep. TDale313 Jul 2015 #101

well said olddots Jul 2015 #148

I offer, as a member of that community, that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #155

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #184

I think there's a lot of truth to that. TDale313 Jul 2015 #191

Thank you for this post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #193

If Bernie wants to be more than... TDale313 Jul 2015 #194

I largely agree. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #199

Cause Bernie is doing the EXACT SAME THING Kerry did and not talk at racial issues specifically... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #183

I would agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #185

the bernie sanders campaign can get the minority vote hopemountain Jul 2015 #105

Yes, as a Latina, Native, White mixed woman I concur artislife Jul 2015 #192

we are similar hopemountain Jul 2015 #204

Great avatar! and thank you! nt artislife Jul 2015 #206

I think BOTH of them speak to ALL American citizens. Its republican party who discriminate against Sunlei Jul 2015 #126

Low income white voters have no problem voting against their economic interests tularetom Jul 2015 #144

I'm getting tired of this shit too. Many of us have not forgotten about Clinton racial politics. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #149

She has spoken out strongly for immigration and a path to citizenship all along Sheepshank Jul 2015 #156

Slate-Why Bernie Sanders Is the Left�s Ron Paul Gothmog Jul 2015 #179

nail...meet head. conservative and moderate democrats will not support him noiretextatique Jul 2015 #196

Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #186

i am a black Sanders supporter noiretextatique Jul 2015 #195

Glad you brought this up, Mrs. Clinton could never get my vote akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #197