2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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169. Yes. Because if you join the DLC, you can't care about fighting bigotry.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #168)

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 07:51 PM

Jul 2015

If you back corporate control of life, you aren't seriously interested in helping poc or ending bigotry. Only the left of the party, only the activist types truly care about those issues. Nobody in the DLC EVER did and that group's candidates never got any votes any other Dem wouldn't have pulled as well.

Why would you even bother defending the DLC? We never needed to move 70% further right in 1992 to win. We never needed a group that fought to make the Democratic Party viciously anti-Sixties and anti-grassroots to get elected. There was no huge public demand for Democrats to become a "me too, but I'll be slightly less nasty about it" party.

And while I admire a lot that Obama's done...until the last six months or so, when faced with the choice of doing something progressive(or at least speaking for something progressive) or doing something "centrist&quot i.e., conservative, since centrism and conservatism are the same thing for all practical purposes). He never took his sensible shoes to Wisconsin, and nobody who backed Walker's assault on workers ever rewarded him for staying away by giving him their votes(Obama-Biden took nothing but pro-labor voters in Wisconsin in '12).

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Sanders & Minorities [View all] kcjohn1 Jul 2015 OP

I belong to a minotity (Hispanic). I'm not a "low information voter". I support Hillary, and not lunamagica Jul 2015 #1

I respect your support for Hillary kcjohn1 Jul 2015 #4

I will take a stab... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #5

I don't know about Latino's but... Stellar Jul 2015 #132

Well... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #133

Yes, she is well known among that populous... Stellar Jul 2015 #140

Everybody has to follow their own moral and political compass. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #142

Exactly! Stellar Jul 2015 #145

If you go the National Review, the magazine he founded... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #147

Many African Americans are much more aware of what has happened in this country in the appalachiablue Jul 2015 #150

Buckley was an abhorrent racist, too! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #153

No ma'am/sir!! Black voters left the Clintons in DROVES due to their racism. We didn't just IMAGINE Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #152

and it took a lot for them to leave... Stellar Jul 2015 #165

Thanks for this because I can't! Will people please stop thinking black people are STUPID! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #151

WOW...somebody that gets it.... Stellar Jul 2015 #164

We need more people to speak out. People of color are being shut down when we do. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #174

This is the post that got me to finally sign up here! artislife Jul 2015 #181

You're quite welcome. And greetings. Welcome. Don't allow anyone here to bully you into shutting up. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #200

I already had my account shut down...by mistake..interestingly enough. nt artislife Jul 2015 #205

They lost any right to claim to be on the side of minorities when they formed the DLC, though. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #167

Should Secretary Of State Kerry and Vice President Biden apologize for joining the DLC DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #168

Yes. Because if you join the DLC, you can't care about fighting bigotry. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #169

I am not defending the DLC. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #170

Ok, that's good that you aren't defending it. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #175

+1000 kath Jul 2015 #198

Hi there, on the subject of Sanders denigration maybe you saw this major assault on him right after appalachiablue Jul 2015 #187

I like the poster that made that post. I don't like the post./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #188

Remember back in '08? Bernie supporters love to bring that up. lunamagica Jul 2015 #6

I agree with your post, okasha Jul 2015 #11

Regardless of everything else being debated, Sanders cannot win without the minority vote. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #17

None. Nor is there any way for him okasha Jul 2015 #20

Praying for this! The GOP said there'd NEVER be another GOP president if TX goes blue. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #28

Even if we can make them work for TX it's a win because that means there's less time for them ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #29

But I think we need Castro on the ticket to balance it. An all northeast ticket won't fly well. freshwest Jul 2015 #36

I agree with this, also. okasha Jul 2015 #49

Yes, I think Castro would be an big asset to the ticket! lunamagica Jul 2015 #74

How popular is outside of San Antonio? I live out of state. Family in the Big H. Making a name for freshwest Jul 2015 #129

I would love to see Julian Castro as the VP nominee Gothmog Jul 2015 #128

How well known is he in your part of Texas? n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #130

His brother spoke at a fundraise for my county party and we know his brother Gothmog Jul 2015 #171

I'll be volunteering when the time comes. okasha Jul 2015 #45

We are working hard in Texas to turn it blue Gothmog Jul 2015 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author okasha Jul 2015 #23

And waste in the Rio Grande region led to terribly deformed stillborn babies. freshwest Jul 2015 #31

river water hardly even makes it to mexico these days and what does isn't very clean. Sunlei Jul 2015 #127

I grew up near McAllen Gothmog Jul 2015 #173

Thanks for this and the other post about the Castros. Sounds good they are known. freshwest Jul 2015 #176

I work in Houston and live in Fort Bend Gothmog Jul 2015 #180

Worked with them back in the stone ages when I was teenager phone banking. Is that effective now? freshwest Jul 2015 #189

Phone banking is still effective Gothmog Jul 2015 #190

I found all of it to be true. TX Hispanic family are eager for HRC. Not holding their nose to vote! freshwest Jul 2015 #34

OH, man it would be so so SO wonderful to win Texas! It would be a fatal stab to the GOP lunamagica Jul 2015 #61

Could be because Sanders' supporters okasha Jul 2015 #62

Got anything to support that claim? Any polling data? Anything? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #100

Check out the polls referenced in this thread okasha Jul 2015 #111

You are making unfounded claims and generalizations that are not true and offensive. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #141

You're assuming that everyone okasha Jul 2015 #143

So people who make the effort to get to his events & hear what he has to say are opponents, or appalachiablue Jul 2015 #146

Or comparison shopping for a candidate. okasha Jul 2015 #157

Hispanics tended to have a special affinity for the Clintons, not because they hated Obama. Well... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author moobu2 Jul 2015 #172

It's the 'while liberal knows best' phenomena. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #16

Yes it is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #25

I am tempted to post the exchange where Django first meets Stephen DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #27

But that would be wrong because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #35

I am going to watch it now for a chuckle. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #38

And turning a lot of people off... n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #32

It's clearly comforting to white liberals ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #37

LOL! Nailed! It fires up the... Um. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #40

"Frankly, I find your assumptions really insulting." Number23 Jul 2015 #69

Thank you! I lurk there often. I find the discussions relly interesting, and posted once lunamagica Jul 2015 #73

this nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #90

So you are A-OK TM99 Jul 2015 #102

Hillary has ALWAYS been commited to the Latino population. She has given much more than lip-service lunamagica Jul 2015 #107

You excuse her stance on the deportation of children. TM99 Jul 2015 #108

I see tha you ignored everything in my reply, including the article I linked lunamagica Jul 2015 #112

What I have ignored is your assumptions TM99 Jul 2015 #114

I DON'T believe minorities are low info voters at all, BUT napi21 Jul 2015 #2

my July fourth bbq - ruffburr Jul 2015 #3

I don't think it is right to keep saying that Latinos don't know who Sen. Sanders is lunamagica Jul 2015 #26

Funny, I was at the barber shop on Friday and had 40+ people (I lost count at 40) ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #30

Sanders will not get the minority vote. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #7

He might not get all of it but Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #9

May I ask what state you are living in? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #10

Wyoming ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #39

You're bad./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41

Where? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #12

That's not what I see around me. Like I said in another post, Latinos were really loyal lunamagica Jul 2015 #13

if GA ever turns blue, it will be because of Hispanic voters. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #18

Good post. Except for one thing. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #8

The Sanders campaign okasha Jul 2015 #14

Really? What is it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #57

He can't win without them, okasha Jul 2015 #60

I think he will get them. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #64

You go right on telling yourself that. okasha Jul 2015 #67

I'll just wait and see. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #68

Again with the "name recognition" meme. When will they get how offensive it is? lunamagica Jul 2015 #70

Probably never. okasha Jul 2015 #75

What if I told you Erich is right? -Bernie- Jul 2015 #103

I'd say you arrived on DU three days ago okasha Jul 2015 #106

okasha~ sheshe2 Jul 2015 #113

Thanks for posting that, sheshe. okasha Jul 2015 #158

Yep Gothmog Jul 2015 #178

Mahalo for telling it, Texas Style, okasha! Cha Jul 2015 #125

My pleasure, cha. okasha Jul 2015 #159

. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #138

Backatcha, amigo. okasha Jul 2015 #160

Welcome to DU! zappaman Jul 2015 #118

Precisely. okasha Jul 2015 #163

I am deeply suspicious of anecdotal information DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #134

He doesn't prioritize minority issues, and he has not yet spoken to minorities. MADem Jul 2015 #104

HRC badly needs Sanders to have a minority problem. Therefore, he has one. winter is coming Jul 2015 #15

Barack Obama assiduously courted Latino voters and lost them more than 2-1 in the 08 primaries DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #19

pretty amazing numbers dsc Jul 2015 #54

Probably a generational thing... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #59

it wasn't just hispanic votes in Virginia, Obama did better overall JI7 Jul 2015 #110

Nah, statistics is the "long and the short of it." wyldwolf Jul 2015 #21

I believe she can easily top 80% among African Americans and Latinos. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #22

I see Sanders people missing a key point here. okasha Jul 2015 #24

Sanders won't have to destroy anything AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #115

So you think Bernie's "minority problem" is manufactured? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #46

No, I think that we don't yet have enough data to conclude there *is* a problem winter is coming Jul 2015 #58

Okay ... despite what "minorities" are saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #79

No; we don't have enough data to know whether or not minorities (or anyone else) winter is coming Jul 2015 #81

Don't the numbers suggest that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #82

For now, Bernie is nowhere with minorities, but he hasn't been campaigning winter is coming Jul 2015 #83

True ... And that is the point many have been attempting to make ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #86

He's not "staying in places where his message resonates". winter is coming Jul 2015 #88

Charlton Heston marched with Dr. King too... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #89

When do you get the "unconcerned with minorities" line? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #92

You imply it every time you characterize Bernie's policies as financial issues winter is coming Jul 2015 #97

Okay ... try listening harder to what is being said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #98

Perhaps it's a question of emphasis. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #99

There's a pattern on DU of dismissing what "minorities" themselves are saying. Only white folk Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #201

that's what it sounded like. Not sure Sen Sanders would agree. Cha Jul 2015 #66

Bernie has to sell himself, blaming other candidates does not sell Bernie. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #139

He's not going to win minority votes by spouting dog whistles like he did today. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #33

I am in L A and our murders are way down DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #43

Yes, our Attorney General has take great strides to take guns away from criminals. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #48

I have lived here three years... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #53

wow! I'd not caught that. And great stats. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #44

Oh damn ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #51

Those are tone deaf comments... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #56

Oh, my...I can't believe he said that...I'm speechless. eom lunamagica Jul 2015 #65

If he would have said guns are different in cities BainsBane Jul 2015 #72

Yes, and he was really dishonest about there being "extremes" on both sides of the debate. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #76

Exactly. Those are the same excuses we hear from the NRA BainsBane Jul 2015 #78

Good charts at that link. The deaths in Vermont must be 'hunting accidents' by his reasoning. freshwest Jul 2015 #84

Your perception is a bias based strawman AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #116

I didn't make up that quote. Bernie actually said that. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #117

YOUR interpretation of what he said is a strawman. AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #119

I know what strawman means. Do you know what tone deaf means? SunSeeker Jul 2015 #120

We see these strawmen repeatedly from Hillary supporters AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #122

People who support Hillary aren't doing so because they are "biased" against Bernie. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #123

Her supporters are biased in favor of her AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #124

Many people are moving to Bernie, some from Hillary as you say. Myself and the women in my appalachiablue Jul 2015 #135

I know you're aware that Sanders lived in Chicago, graduated the University of Chicago, BA appalachiablue Jul 2015 #161

Which makes his tone deaf comments that much more surprising. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #162

I've lived in communities with guns in rural Ohio and Virginia, in suburban FL and MD and in appalachiablue Jul 2015 #166

Or 3) you're familiar with the polls and face facts! bettyellen Jul 2015 #42

people have actually been dismissing scientific polls JI7 Jul 2015 #52

+1 nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #91

the only minority group she lost in 2008 was black voters JI7 Jul 2015 #47

Hillary lost black voters when she/her husband/their surrogates started playing the race card. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #202

If they were low info more would be undecided JI7 Jul 2015 #50

I think she had all of the votes 'locked up' at the beginning, simply with 99% name recognition and Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #55

Chris Hayes calls it the revolt of the upper middle class... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #63

And he will lag among women. okasha Jul 2015 #71

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #77

I do love the sound of a brook for a second or two. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #121

Strictly anecdotal, and I run with commie teachers/health care workers/students, but I know Indepatriot Jul 2015 #80

I will see your anecdote and raise you. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #87

Bookmark this post. Bernie will hand HRC another Super Tuesday defeat, just as Obama did. Indepatriot Jul 2015 #109

As Chairman Mao said "Before you speak, investigate." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #131

My frame of reference was skewed DSB. I worked on Obama's campaign and we considered 35-40% of Indepatriot Jul 2015 #136

I am unemployed as well but my gf isn't DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #137

A double-edged coin... OnlyBernieBurnsBush Jul 2015 #85

Its just Name ID -- I'm a minority voter Report1212 Jul 2015 #93

Respectfully I believe you are shortchanging the political acumen of your peers but we shall see... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #94

Its a fact, most people in the country dont know bernie sanders Report1212 Jul 2015 #96

It's name ID cause Bernie isn't in Oakcliff, North Philly, Southside Chi, El Segundo... he's in uponit7771 Jul 2015 #182

Yes, but he will move through the South he already vowed to do this Report1212 Jul 2015 #203

Sanders will need better numbers among minorities to get the nomination. DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #95

Hillary's support in these communities is real and it's deep. TDale313 Jul 2015 #101

well said olddots Jul 2015 #148

I offer, as a member of that community, that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #155

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #184

I think there's a lot of truth to that. TDale313 Jul 2015 #191

Thank you for this post ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #193

If Bernie wants to be more than... TDale313 Jul 2015 #194

I largely agree. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #199

Cause Bernie is doing the EXACT SAME THING Kerry did and not talk at racial issues specifically... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #183

I would agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #185

the bernie sanders campaign can get the minority vote hopemountain Jul 2015 #105

Yes, as a Latina, Native, White mixed woman I concur artislife Jul 2015 #192

we are similar hopemountain Jul 2015 #204

Great avatar! and thank you! nt artislife Jul 2015 #206

I think BOTH of them speak to ALL American citizens. Its republican party who discriminate against Sunlei Jul 2015 #126

Low income white voters have no problem voting against their economic interests tularetom Jul 2015 #144

I'm getting tired of this shit too. Many of us have not forgotten about Clinton racial politics. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #149

She has spoken out strongly for immigration and a path to citizenship all along Sheepshank Jul 2015 #156

Slate-Why Bernie Sanders Is the Left�s Ron Paul Gothmog Jul 2015 #179

nail...meet head. conservative and moderate democrats will not support him noiretextatique Jul 2015 #196

Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #186

i am a black Sanders supporter noiretextatique Jul 2015 #195

Glad you brought this up, Mrs. Clinton could never get my vote akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #197