2016 Postmortem

ismnotwasm

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187. I agree it's very disturbing

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 11:09 AM

Jul 2015

It horrifies me.

The thing is, I know from experience as a white person, living in a world were whiteness is the norm, I have to make an effort to hear Black -- or other minority groups--voices. It can be a simple as following "For Harriet" on Facebook, all the way to choosing to take Ethnic America classes in college. I have continually educate myself. I have to--NEED to listen to Black voices even when it's uncomfortable. Especially when it's uncomfortable. To me, this is a bedrock progressive value, and while I'd love to have the luxury of saying I don't understand the pushback on concerns regarding race, I don't have that luxury because I try to pay attention.

We have such a long way to go. Quoting MLK and Ghandi and who knows who else doesn't change the essential nature of what's passing for "debate" here.

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Bernie's crowd in Portland, ME ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 OP

I got a question for you. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #1

Type a little slower ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #11

You made my point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #19

I think you misunderstood the OP Jim Lane Jul 2015 #174

And the OP is wrong in making that argument nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #180

That was perfect. malokvale77 Jul 2015 #51

I got no candidate but I look at this fully. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #56

What does that mean? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #62

Not this again RobertEarl Jul 2015 #2

Yes this again! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #16

No you and I have not RobertEarl Jul 2015 #21

There is a site search box brer cat Jul 2015 #31

Only reason not to repeat is... RobertEarl Jul 2015 #35

Not everyone who repeats themselve all the time brer cat Jul 2015 #41

Is that why he won't c+p, even. Not even a link? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #46

Kinda like you. (nt) malokvale77 Jul 2015 #55

So I see. 840high Jul 2015 #107

Because he likes to? tazkcmo Jul 2015 #167

He shouldn't. cui bono Jul 2015 #256

If budget is the issue, why not campaign in LA instead of Oregon? pnwmom Jul 2015 #208

Sorry the surging underdog is not campaigning as you prefer. morningfog Jul 2015 #3

He don't want to play madokie Jul 2015 #4

Yes you are ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #64

Haven't seen a suggestion yet. tazkcmo Jul 2015 #172

Geez, you do not have to explain yourself on here! akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #254

Sweet Jesus-- you are telling actually an African American man "he just wants to complain"? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #124

Do you know what the demographics of Maine is? madokie Jul 2015 #138

And many of them are not voters....or citizens. MADem Jul 2015 #161

It is amazing to watch and it happens EVERY GOD DAMN time a Black person brings it up randys1 Jul 2015 #228

this is disappointing bigtree Jul 2015 #152

Excellent point - Bernie should be all things to all people and right away, too! Peregrine Took Jul 2015 #7

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #70

Seems to be that's what all of Bernie's supporters want of HRC. Just saying what's good for the Fla Dem Jul 2015 #160

Is it asking too much that Bernie hear what the mainstream of PoC are saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #20

Then the location is irrelevant, if that is your complaint. morningfog Jul 2015 #26

Yep, the location would be irrelevant; but for the reception his message receives... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #53

Now that is just unfounded absurdity. morningfog Jul 2015 #68

Thank you for proving the "Why Bernie is missing Black folks" point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #76

Run yourself silly with this. We'll see what happens morningfog Jul 2015 #80

Then explain why he was scheduled to speak in Charleston? Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #91

Excellent point, to which the OP has no response. Divernan Jul 2015 #157

You may be right about Bernie - but bread_and_roses Jul 2015 #190

Who appointed cranky old you as "the mainstream of PoC"? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #65

Okay ... LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #84

I never claim to speak for anybody but myself. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #226

When I saw screen shots of Bernie's rally, my first reaction other than being WOWED by the numbers randys1 Jul 2015 #243

straight out of the mouth of the priv. It's Just as much a CLASS analysis as it is Race analysis it 2banon Jul 2015 #247

"Get to play" MoveIt Jul 2015 #5

It means what you think it means ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #8

Minorities RobertEarl Jul 2015 #9

He surging everywhere he goes. morningfog Jul 2015 #12

"get to play" was ambiguous and still is. MoveIt Jul 2015 #18

Exactly the same demographic that surged initially for Obama shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #153

LOL whathehell Jul 2015 #225

...was 9,000 people by most estimates. You go, Bernie! TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #6

The OPs complaint seems to be geographical. morningfog Jul 2015 #10

Exactly right. Owl Jul 2015 #14

How about Bernie speaks to anyone that comes to see him? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #15

+10,000 MissDeeds Jul 2015 #164

The implication is that Sanders is deliberately avoiding non-white voters and crowds arcane1 Jul 2015 #17

Yes absurd ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #85

So you are implying he is a racist? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #132

Does that mean the whole state is racist, or he's just racist for going there? arcane1 Jul 2015 #185

Those numbers are for the population of Portland, LWolf Jul 2015 #13

I would love if he were to veer out of white liberal havens, for a weekend ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #24

Social Justice? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #28

See ... I tell you ... You ignore and ask a obtuse question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #58

What do you think of Michelle Alexander. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #66

Who is Michelle Alexander? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #86

Best way is for her to speak for herself. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #90

Thank you for linking that video. It was very moving. delrem Jul 2015 #133

And I speak with folks of at least two different nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #179

Thanks for the post. Since Michelle Alexander's major work came out in 2010, "The New Jim Crow: appalachiablue Jul 2015 #259

He cancelled his Charleston S.C. rally in order not to politicize the tragedy. He also directed his Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #87

I'm sure he will. LWolf Jul 2015 #181

How about Detroit? LA? Chicago? pnwmom Jul 2015 #209

I'm sure he'll be there. LWolf Jul 2015 #239

I have no idea where she's been. But her poll numbers with minority voters are very strong. pnwmom Jul 2015 #240

Yes. LWolf Jul 2015 #242

They can't leave it alone, sheshe2 Jul 2015 #22

To Juror #9 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #29

They are clueless and remain so. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #40

+1 NCTraveler Jul 2015 #169

I disagree about the response to Charleston Jim Lane Jul 2015 #170

Nope...politicking this nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #182

Jury Results, 1StrongBlackMan.. Cha Jul 2015 #23

Youn were on it too. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #34

Yes, I was and proud to be there. Cha Jul 2015 #38

Are you kidding me, someone alerted this thread? Iliyah Jul 2015 #39

Of course they did.. they can't handle 1StrongBlackMan's voice on DU. Cha Jul 2015 #45

Nailed it. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #59

Yup. zappaman Jul 2015 #67

They want us silenced here. No doubt in my mind. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #171

Of course.. they're all about freedom of speech until it comes to censoring Cha Jul 2015 #173

Race statistics for Hillary's home town Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #25

And yet, she talks about social justice ... disconnected to economic justice ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #33

You have a link to her talks? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #52

Answering stuff you have no attention of palying attention to is hard work ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #60

Thanks!! RobertEarl Jul 2015 #63

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #78

I detect a bit of disrespect? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #89

That doesn't mention race at all BainsBane Jul 2015 #235

Like Hillary says RobertEarl Jul 2015 #236

Sure, but everyone's life is not the same BainsBane Jul 2015 #244

Nope, not forgetting that women and POC deserve a level playing field. I understand why its not a bettyellen Jul 2015 #269

New thing called "Google" zappaman Jul 2015 #71

Hillary's real home town (Park Ridge, IL, not Chappaqua) has not dissimilar stats BUT... Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #168

He went to Oregon? Why? BainsBane Jul 2015 #27

Maine Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #30

Sorry, my mistake, but same question BainsBane Jul 2015 #32

Part of some kind of a strategy Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #36

Must be for fundraising purposes BainsBane Jul 2015 #37

Maybe. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #42

I agree. It is a part of some kind of strategy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #92

So what's your opinion of Bernie Sanders? Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #93

He likes Sanders' passion. frylock Jul 2015 #98

That's cool. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #103

I'd go see Neil open for Bernie.. frylock Jul 2015 #110

You know where Bernie Sanders should go Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #115

Yes, that would be a good event for Bernie. delrem Jul 2015 #136

What makes blacks particularly "less receptive" to Bernie's message? Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #150

.. corkhead Jul 2015 #205

Portland media market overlaps W/southern New Hampshire. Divernan Jul 2015 #159

Portland Maine, next to NH and Vermont.... Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #50

Has Sanders had a major event in South Carolina yet? Renew Deal Jul 2015 #43

It depresses me that you are posting this about Bernie, virtualobserver Jul 2015 #44

The entire premise is bullshit. morningfog Jul 2015 #72

I'm so sorry; but, I don't particularly care ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #94

Define those interests. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #151

One of the saddest ironies. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #165

Not Good Enough, Bernie! Part 27? MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #47

Spin the straw man, manny ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #95

Not Good Enough, Bernie Supporters! nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #141

What do you mean "minorities"? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #48

I refuse to term myself a "minority", i.e., powerless victim. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #96

well we weren't talking about you were we? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #104

No ... I am speaking for myself, One strong Black man ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #112

Yes you're speaking for yourself ibegurpard Jul 2015 #114

Oh FFS TM99 Jul 2015 #49

Oh FFS ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #97

So you don't deny that TM99 Jul 2015 #119

The Third Way� don't want to talk about economics AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #134

Well how about this? TM99 Jul 2015 #143

This is exactly it. cui bono Jul 2015 #233

I guess when you only have one card in your hand, you have no choice but to keep tossing it out. Bonobo Jul 2015 #54

Creative way to work in Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #57

You have a great imagination. nt Bonobo Jul 2015 #61

No, I have great common sense. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #69

You can see my post below, but if you have great common sense, it is pretty obvious. Bonobo Jul 2015 #75

It's pretty obvious, alright. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #88

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #101

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #106

Nope, I didn't say anything but the truth. nt Bonobo Jul 2015 #109

Going for an encore? Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #111

If I am so wrong, so terrible, refute what I said. Don't attack me personally. Bonobo Jul 2015 #113

Honestly Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #118

That's what I thought. You actually can't refute Bonobo Jul 2015 #122

I know, huh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #102

. Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #123

What card would that be? zappaman Jul 2015 #73

The meme that Sanders is only appealing to white voters as a campaign tactic. nt Bonobo Jul 2015 #74

Nice dodge. zappaman Jul 2015 #79

Nice try! Bonobo Jul 2015 #83

oh hey you fessed up! zappaman Jul 2015 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #77

Sherrif John Brown always hated Bernie. nt Bonobo Jul 2015 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #82

Perhaps, you would feel better if I didn't vote/advocate "based on my race", huh? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #99

Vote however you like. Bonobo Jul 2015 #105

Jury results. edbermac Jul 2015 #130

Who cares. 840high Jul 2015 #116

Exactly, vote however he wants. But if he wants to keep intimating that Sanders is a racist, Bonobo Jul 2015 #117

So true. That's why this 840high Jul 2015 #120

It would be nice if you would advocate for everyone's interests and not just your own. cui bono Jul 2015 #234

Are you accusing an African American of playing the "race card'? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #125

African Americans never play the "race card"? bvar22 Jul 2015 #248

You mean the "come out and say it" card, you're missing that out of your deck you know that right? uponit7771 Jul 2015 #140

Self-Reflection is good. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #175

The progressive left is overwhelmingly white... MellowDem Jul 2015 #100

Okay. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #108

Okay. ... MellowDem Jul 2015 #121

Is there no room for the concerns of Black people? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #127

Oh don't worry about me darlin. ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #128

Jesus... MellowDem Jul 2015 #129

That's precisely what they're trying to do. ibegurpard Jul 2015 #131

The OP has been insulted, his concerns dismissed ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #135

you make good points bigtree Jul 2015 #145

I agree it's very disturbing ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #187

Good post, in a sea of swarming sharks smelling blood, it might sink though sadly... AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #183

No doubt ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #188

The OP is snarky as hell... MellowDem Jul 2015 #253

"a shitty concern" BainsBane Jul 2015 #241

What you and he don't get... MellowDem Jul 2015 #252

No one has said he doesn't care about black people BainsBane Jul 2015 #258

No one has said Sanders doesn't care about black people? "NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE", appalachiablue Jul 2015 #260

I saw BainsBane Jul 2015 #263

I've seen all these points numerous times on this forum, SOS. With Sanders I see 'a candiate appalachiablue Jul 2015 #264

Okay, then why are you so appalled by criticism of Sanders BainsBane Jul 2015 #266

You ascribe views to me I don't have... MellowDem Jul 2015 #262

Self-described? BainsBane Jul 2015 #265

It matters... MellowDem Jul 2015 #268

Anyone else think he's running away from gun issues!? uponit7771 Jul 2015 #139

Not at all...he just spoke about it on cnn bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #149

100% stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #154

No. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #156

four electoral votes bigtree Jul 2015 #142

I don't understand what "get to play" means mainer Jul 2015 #144

its nonsense MoveIt Jul 2015 #184

When they show up. There aren't any Whites only signs. mmonk Jul 2015 #146

Thank you. There are no "White Only" signs at Bernie's rallies. whathehell Jul 2015 #162

Bernies made his solidarity all citizens pretty darn clear many times explicetly..... marble falls Jul 2015 #147

Excellent post. mmonk Jul 2015 #148

Good rebuttal to the talking points OP. GoneOffShore Jul 2015 #163

K&R! stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #155

As a black man, what would you like to hear from Bernie that would address your concerns? Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #158

I'm shocked that you didn't get an answer.. frylock Jul 2015 #220

He didn't get an answer because 1SBM was locked out of the thread on an idiotic hide. Squinch Jul 2015 #246

The OP has had ample opportunity over the last several weeks.. frylock Jul 2015 #249

I attempted to discuss a similar issue two weeks ago. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #166

If you have a problem with lack of diversity in the early primary states, HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #177

At what point did I say a complete lack of diversity... NCTraveler Jul 2015 #178

I hear you RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #176

The primary schedule was set by the DNC, not the candidates nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #186

Pro tip: The primary schedule is not set by the DNC Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #191

Yes, and they actually work with both parties nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #192

California moved its primary from February to June for monetary reasons Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #193

And both state parties were part of the negotiations on that one nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #194

Negotiations? republicans dragged their feet a bit and Democrats were tepid with the change Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #197

You forget I live in this state nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #198

Can I assume you were disappointed, too? Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #206

I was. I wish we had more say. zappaman Jul 2015 #216

I'm suddenly thinking of the NFL's new point after touchdown rule. Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #227

Yup, but none asks me nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #230

I love it when people correct her LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #196

So are you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #199

Ahh yes LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #201

Even more irony nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #202

Educational from Ron Paul?!?!?! RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #223

Fuck Ron Paul. zappaman Jul 2015 #229

If you are interested in how nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #231

The only thing that Ron and Rand Paul ooze for me RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #237

And at this point I would say I am fully sorry nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #238

I'm a minority; he's speaking to me ram2008 Jul 2015 #189

The real problem is the message, they want it shut down and clear limits set for the future as well. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #245

I read most of this thread. Does it make any difference to anyone that the NAACP has given jwirr Jul 2015 #195

I have high regard for the NAACP bigtree Jul 2015 #203

Thank you. I knew about the divide in Ferguson MO - just did not realize that it involved the NAACP. jwirr Jul 2015 #204

I'm sure it has some relevance bigtree Jul 2015 #210

You are so correct about our millnnial generation. When I want to know what to think on any issue jwirr Jul 2015 #212

Yeah we should rely on DU posters ibegurpard Jul 2015 #211

what the hell are you talking about? bigtree Jul 2015 #213

joan walsh ibegurpard Jul 2015 #215

that crap you posted has zero to do with me or anything I was discussing with this poster bigtree Jul 2015 #217

what garbage ibegurpard Jul 2015 #219

wow bigtree Jul 2015 #221

likewise ibegurpard Jul 2015 #222

You forgot whathehell Jul 2015 #224

You "need to stick to pushing O'Malley." zappaman Jul 2015 #218

Yet these are the same young leaders nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #232

I'm so sorry, 1StrongBlackMan onpatrol98 Jul 2015 #200

Hey darlin! So good to see you again. Number23 Jul 2015 #251

Hey!!!! onpatrol98 Jul 2015 #257

Girl... En Vogue is one of my favorite groups of ALL TIME. Number23 Jul 2015 #261

I think most POC can figure out which candidate best reflects their interests. immoderate Jul 2015 #207

of course they can ibegurpard Jul 2015 #214

Did you expect him to import PoC for his speech? "The pattern" is this: magical thyme Jul 2015 #250

You have explained that you use quotes for progressives to indicate they are not *real* cui bono Jul 2015 #255

Nate Silver is basically making the same point as you about Bernie's base Tatiana La Belle Jul 2015 #267

KIck for reality and a wakeup call... LA......... we love ya Ichingcarpenter Aug 2015 #270

L.A. has put that false narrative about separation definitively to rest. villager Aug 2015 #271

I think your OP is despicable. delrem Aug 2015 #272

Now be nice. Race-based attacks are all they have. It takes time to invent & distribute a new smear arcane1 Aug 2015 #273