2016 Postmortem

RichVRichV

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123. Obama was foreshadowing what's to come.

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 05:11 PM

Jul 2015

Think about this for a second. He had a message of hope and change, proven to be mostly just a message, with little else known about how progressive he'd be. On largely just that message, and not much of a track record to go on, he beat Hillary in 2008.

Now you have a true to the core progressive (in all senses of the word) campaigning on a very long standing track record, with real specifics about how he wants to improve peoples lives and not just idealist catch phrases. Obama's election was a foreshadow of how politics are changing. People are waking up from the trickle down stupor we've been under for the past 30 years. People are fed up with the status quo. We're hungry for something better than what is. The power structure better take note of the changes in the electorate or they're going to get blindsided by the results.

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Lets be clear about Bernie vs Hillary [View all] RobertEarl Jul 2015 OP

So, now we are down to threats? FSogol Jul 2015 #1

I'm happy to debate...or what you call backlash... tgards79 Jul 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author FSogol Jul 2015 #4

Yes, Sanders people ideologues, not loyal Dem's lewebley3 Jul 2015 #46

I totally disagree with your assertions that Sanders people ladjf Jul 2015 #95

Still pushing that nonsense, are you? Gore1FL Jul 2015 #109

I'm a Bernie supporter ut oh Jul 2015 #111

Good for you. It is amazing however redstateblues Jul 2015 #150

It is a small portion of people, nothing too amazing about it. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #183

I supported every Democratic candidate from Mondale to Obama Trajan Jul 2015 #119

Me too. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #142

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #156

Links Please. bvar22 Jul 2015 #162

I supported Gore and now I support Sanders. Sanders is the only one of either Party who has not Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #172

Beautiful post ... very well said!!! brett_jv Jul 2015 #236

Excellent post MissDeeds Jul 2015 #249

I totally agree. nt. druidity33 Jul 2015 #253

This! marym625 Jul 2015 #268

Gore didn't run as team player, that hurt him: Hillary is running as a team player lewebley3 Jul 2015 #313

Awesome! KPN Jul 2015 #317

Judging by the amount of help Gore got from the Clintons in 2000 corkhead Jul 2015 #209

That is a false statement. blackspade Jul 2015 #216

You know, spade, sayin' it doesn't make it true. Nitram Jul 2015 #251

Facts are what make it true. blackspade Jul 2015 #255

Nader ran as a third party candidate. senz Jul 2015 #240

Yes, its is: Dem's are having to waste money and time lewebley3 Jul 2015 #296

Wow, so you think debates are a waste of time and money? That there should be no choice? DebJ Jul 2015 #324

Obama, didn't debate anyone when he ran for a second term! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #328

Duh, uh, after you have been/currently ARE President, um, YES DebJ Jul 2015 #381

Hillary should keep evolving, times change, Political challenges change lewebley3 Jul 2015 #384

Wow, it is truly amazing how you stick to your position that no one should DebJ Jul 2015 #392

No one is stoping anyone from being heard: lewebley3 Jul 2015 #393

You just don't want them to be seen next to each other for comparison.............. n/t DebJ Jul 2015 #394

Oh, please: What difference does it make what they look like? lewebley3 Jul 2015 #396

I don't think this debate will be a snooze at all...unless Hillary does some DebJ Jul 2015 #398

Hillary never side stepped any questions; She dosen't dance to Sanders tune! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #399

Hm and those polls were spot on, weren't they? n/t DebJ Jul 2015 #400

We had a lot of Debates, there is nothing new about Sanders or HIllary lewebley3 Jul 2015 #379

Dems don't have anything to debate about??????????????????????? DebJ Jul 2015 #380

Deb- Mother Of Four Jul 2015 #404

Thanks Mother of Four. Actually, I have a lot of stray small bits of time on my hands DebJ Jul 2015 #410

Hillary earned this nomination a long time, AlbertCat Jul 2015 #333

"Hillary could have run as sitting president"? Ken Burch Jul 2015 #367

Oh dear gawd davidpdx Jul 2015 #389

+1 nt artislife Jul 2015 #395

Another shining example of what Hillary supporters on DU are like Scootaloo Jul 2015 #412

So Nader voters took away from Gore's vote count in the general election. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #332

Sorry, to much is on the line: Sanders is not helping the Dem's fight the GOP lewebley3 Jul 2015 #406

Got anything to back that up with? This Sanders 'person' and every one of those I knew sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #283

History of the Dem's backs that up: Nader did not give speeches for Gore lewebley3 Jul 2015 #295

"Sanders people are into themselves"....what in the world does that mean, in English? DebJ Jul 2015 #382

You do know that Nader is NOT a Democrat davidpdx Jul 2015 #390

Yes, but He is America who chose himself over the country lewebley3 Jul 2015 #391

Nonsense. I did not do that. 840high Jul 2015 #323

Bernie rep's a lot of talk, Not change lewebley3 Jul 2015 #409

200,000 Florida Democrats voted for Bush. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #401

If someone voted for Bush, they were not Democrats by definition lewebley3 Jul 2015 #407

They were registered Democrats and they voted for Bush Scootaloo Jul 2015 #411

Got some data on that? I'm a Bernie supporter and did NOT support Nader sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #402

Yep shenmue Jul 2015 #184

It is exactly the same AverageGuy Jul 2015 #206

I completely reject the "both parties are the same" meme. That old canard is FSogol Jul 2015 #247

I suspect we are down to open frustration. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #242

Lets be clear RobertEarl Jul 2015 #370

and now you've personalized it. FSogol Jul 2015 #371

Speaking your language is all RobertEarl Jul 2015 #372

Show me one post where I have been disrespectful to Sanders. FSogol Jul 2015 #373

You disrepect yourself RobertEarl Jul 2015 #374

Couldn't find one, huh? FSogol Jul 2015 #375

You are the one claiming a threat: which is a false claim RobertEarl Jul 2015 #376

I've been quite pleased with the responses to my posts on O'Malley. You keep on FSogol Jul 2015 #377

Thanks RobertEarl Jul 2015 #378

Have a nice day?? You just threatened half of the posters here with backlash. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #3

Translation: I hate you all, Love Robert. FSogol Jul 2015 #6

LOL. Pretty much. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #7

With friends like you? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #8

You are making threats, but that doesn't mean I feel threatened. Pace yourself, FSogol Jul 2015 #10

LOL SunSeeker Jul 2015 #60

ROFL! Raine1967 Jul 2015 #72

Take YOUR OWN COUNCIL. Your claims of threats are desperate at best. 2banon Jul 2015 #187

I thought Bernistas prided themselves on their open-eyed view of the world. Nitram Jul 2015 #254

distorted twisted perspective on the definition of threat. n/t 2banon Jul 2015 #286

"a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment in retaliation for... Nitram Jul 2015 #287

Threats. Followed by mockery? Here is why some are upset by your OP. Follow the White Rabbit: Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #276

Yeah, it is very sad. Sometimes it feels like I am reading Drudge or Briebart or Freepville FSogol Jul 2015 #277

Don't worry buddy, we'll all gladly support Bernie if he wins the nomination. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #11

No one is messing with Bernie, he is getting free ride because is a nice guy lewebley3 Jul 2015 #51

"You just can't face that fact most Dem and lib's don't support his candidacy" concreteblue Jul 2015 #104

If y'all are so sure Bernie is going to win... Nitram Jul 2015 #256

Constant attacks? Bubzer Jul 2015 #388

I'm confused... Bubzer Jul 2015 #228

"It is just advice to let you know that if you mess with Bernie, we take it personal." sufrommich Jul 2015 #174

Am I to understand that challenging the assumption of his electability is disrespectful? brooklynite Jul 2015 #5

The OP did not even come close to suggesting that. You know what disrespectful means. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #185

Think about 50% of American children living in poverty if the Republicans win... brooklynite Jul 2015 #190

And why would the GOP win? blackspade Jul 2015 #218

I'm not convinced... brooklynite Jul 2015 #223

I am so glad our founders were more brave than you. Take a chance on freedom and liberty. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #226

So you rationalize that 22% is ok. I am going for reducing that number, not justifying why it's ok. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #225

You are making some rather far-fetched and patronizing assumptions aboutt Clinton supporters. Nitram Jul 2015 #257

Wow. Since the poster doesn't define "electability", I had to assume as to what they meant. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #274

My suggestion is , if you are in doubt, ask what their definition is. Nitram Jul 2015 #275

My assumption was a legitimate assumption as I've many times that Sen Sanders rhett o rick Jul 2015 #281

It was a personal assumption, no matter how you try to defend it. Why not just ask? Nitram Jul 2015 #282

I was addressing the poster not Clinton supporters. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #284

"Not electable" is not equivalent to "not backed by enough coporate sponsors." Nitram Jul 2015 #285

I doubt that anyone here has ever said that Clinton has "not a liberal bone in her body". rhett o rick Jul 2015 #289

You kinda lost me there toward the end, but I liked the rest arcane1 Jul 2015 #9

To us, Clinton is more of the same RobertEarl Jul 2015 #14

And I remember the very same leftynyc Jul 2015 #56

Obama took corporate money. Tommymac Jul 2015 #101

Obama was foreshadowing what's to come. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #123

No offense brother but you're not thinking it through all that deeply ... brett_jv Jul 2015 #237

Nicely put, brett. Nitram Jul 2015 #264

"Mostly just a message?" Nitram Jul 2015 #258

+1 RiverLover Jul 2015 #259

So basically you can't take criticism of your candidate. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #12

This is the Hillary Clinton group. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #36

That bubble should be made of steel. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #40

Safety glasses required. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #65

Do you feel the same way about the Sanders group? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #127

Unlike Hillary, Bernie did not order diplomats to spy on the UN. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #143

I said the Sanders group. Not Sanders. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #144

The Hillary Clinton group bans people OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #154

Comparing her to a republican or criticism of her is not allowed in our room. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #155

It's the land of Make Believe. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #157

Do you approve of safe haven banning those who break their rules? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #160

Yes. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #163

Well we can argue all night but i think i made and you made your point. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #166

I wear my ban with pride. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #168

I am sure several wear their bans from different rooms with pride as well. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #169

I didn't criticise her or compare her to a Republican, yet I got blocked.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #267

Well you are welcome to complain to skinner. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #314

Skinner's not a host of the group who blocked me because of a personal grudge. You are Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #340

Take care and enjoy posting. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #341

I will. Just wanted other DUers to know they can be blocked for petty personal reasons... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #342

Lol i have plenty of times. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #343

What groups that yr supportive of the SOP of have you been blocked from because someone hates you? Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #344

I have seen it done to others. I am not blocked from any group. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #345

So you think it's fair for anyone to be blocked because a host hates them? Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #346

You are putting me in the position of publicly calling out a host of another group hrmjustin Jul 2015 #347

I take it ur answer is you do think it's fair Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #348

Look, from what i read just before you were banned you got into it with several HRC supporters in hrmjustin Jul 2015 #349

Huh? No I didn't. And I've never critic used hlary Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #350

But you gave our members a hard time. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #351

Again that's totally untrue. Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #353

You posted this right before you were banned. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #354

That wasn't right before I was blocked and had nothing to do with hillary Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #355

Yes it was you were banned the next day, hrmjustin Jul 2015 #356

No it wasn't. And it wasn't about Hillary. Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #357

You posted it on the 21 and was blocked on the 22nd. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #358

My timestamp says 21st and 23rd... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #361

No but you gave HRC supporters here a hard time. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #362

So you keep on claiming, but that's just not true... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #363

We can argue this forever but i have no desire to. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #364

Well seeing there's nothing there to argue it'd be pointless Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #365

Take care of yourself. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #366

Were you looking in a mirror when you typed that? Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #271

The hrc room has been around since the beginning of DU3. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #312

How do you feel about the Sanders group? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #133

Not when Bernistas post stuff like this. Nitram Jul 2015 #260

The hRC group like the Sanders group is a safe haven for supporters. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #42

A safe haven OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #61

Your opinion. If you have a complaint you can take it to skinner. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #62

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #102

I got a hide for calling spmeone dishonest last week. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #128

And how many times have you posted this? kath Jul 2015 #138

1 think one in gdp and once in the HRC room. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #141

Does the one in ATA not count? Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #273

I never mentioned my hide in ata. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #311

Does it matter? Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #147

Oh FFS as if the Bernie group is any different LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #203

That's comical pscot Jul 2015 #57

I wasn't the one who banned you but it is a safe haven for HRC supporters. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #64

I was and am undecided for the primaries pscot Jul 2015 #88

You called her a place holder of the 1 percent. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #94

I still think she's a placeholder for the one percent pscot Jul 2015 #97

That is your right but the host was right to ban you. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #98

As noted, I didn't take it personally pscot Jul 2015 #106

And the ban was not personal. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #108

On that, I agree....I was banned from the Sanders group because I responded to a post... George II Jul 2015 #116

I agree and if I remember right they didn't before DU3. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2015 #129

Yeah that might be good, because I replied on a thread that was in the HRC 'safe haven' room and was PatrickforO Jul 2015 #192

I can see having separate forums for like-minded people where their ideas and thoughts... George II Jul 2015 #196

We are having the discussion in General Discussion. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #197

So we are! PatrickforO Jul 2015 #198

That's as offensive as people mistakenly claiming that Sanders is a "Communist" - I know it's... George II Jul 2015 #115

And THAT is what we've had to put up with on this site - all this "corporatist" candidate crap.... George II Jul 2015 #113

Yep. And we will not put up with it in the HRC room. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #117

We shouldn't have to put up with it anywhere on DEMOCRATIC Underground........ George II Jul 2015 #120

Censorship is not Democratic Indepatriot Jul 2015 #135

This site has rules. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #137

I think you're confusing DU with HU... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #193

What is hU? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #194

It's not "censorship" George II Jul 2015 #140

Join the club frylock Jul 2015 #67

Welcome to the club! OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #68

I got tossed also Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #69

Me too. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #145

Got banned from it in 2012 for saying she might not win 2016. jeff47 Jul 2015 #199

No you got banned for your responses in this thread. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #205

And you'll note I got attacked jeff47 Jul 2015 #208

Well if i am not mistaken you are not a fan 8f HRC. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #210

I hadn't posted anything about her for a very long time at that point. jeff47 Jul 2015 #211

Yeah i think the hosts got it right. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #212

Now. I should thank them for the push. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #217

If the criticism is based on fact. So tell me your criticism that is based on fact. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #227

Very nicely put! Left coast liberal Jul 2015 #13

Thanks RobertEarl Jul 2015 #16

This was your attempt at being extra nice?? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #19

Indeed. Valid question. calimary Jul 2015 #219

Sounds.... quickesst Jul 2015 #91

Really only one appropriate reply to this mess of an OP zappaman Jul 2015 #15

Bernie's been through the grinder? leftynyc Jul 2015 #17

You got that right - OhZone Jul 2015 #189

Not a chance. blackspade Jul 2015 #220

Wow - I just got a chill leftynyc Jul 2015 #244

And why did McGovern lose? blackspade Jul 2015 #252

Not sure what your point is leftynyc Jul 2015 #262

I think my point was pretty clear blackspade Jul 2015 #320

McGovern was the candidate leftynyc Jul 2015 #321

So your saying that if Bernie wins that centrist Democrats won't support him? blackspade Jul 2015 #322

Stop putting words in my mouth leftynyc Jul 2015 #325

I'm putting NO words in your mouth. blackspade Jul 2015 #327

Spare me the bullshit leftynyc Jul 2015 #330

FFS, You are all over the place on this. blackspade Jul 2015 #352

Oy vey leftynyc Jul 2015 #368

OHMY! I'm beginning to think a lot of people here - OhZone Jul 2015 #359

I thought the primaries were the time to get to know the candidates. hamsterjill Jul 2015 #18

Thanks, Jill RobertEarl Jul 2015 #30

Oh sweet sanity - Mother Of Four Jul 2015 #405

Appreciate your words. hamsterjill Jul 2015 #408

Bernie has not been through the grinder: He sat in a small state doing nothing for years lewebley3 Jul 2015 #20

Wait a minute leftynyc Jul 2015 #24

Thank you leftnyc peacebird Jul 2015 #31

The Clinton's are a team, lewebley3 Jul 2015 #34

Uh - no leftynyc Jul 2015 #53

Hillary has different positons, becasue times have change! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #80

but retrowire Jul 2015 #125

..... 2banon Jul 2015 #188

You guys need to make up your mind tularetom Jul 2015 #63

They have been fair game on everything, The Clinton's have with stood all of it! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #77

Very nice, but how about answering the question - are they both running or just Hillary? tularetom Jul 2015 #86

First of all, "Sheri" is SHERROD, a male. RiverLover Jul 2015 #215

Bullshit leftynyc Jul 2015 #245

"He could never be in charge of Defense, it just won't been safe." We're not safe now, in fact grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #165

You really want to hang bank deregulation, welfare reform, NAFTA and anti-drug laws around her neck? jeff47 Jul 2015 #200

The Clinton's administration was one of the most successfully economies the US has ever had! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #303

Hrm...let me look....Did I mention the economy in that list? jeff47 Jul 2015 #305

The Clinton's first Budget, the one that didn't bet a single GOP vote! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #310

What in the budget caused the tech bubble? jeff47 Jul 2015 #360

Again the Clinton's were successful:Dont visit the Bushes mistakes on Hillary lewebley3 Jul 2015 #385

It took you two days to come up with that? jeff47 Jul 2015 #386

NO, I didn't take two days: I have a life! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #387

Hey Bernie Folks DownriverDem Jul 2015 #297

I don't know who "us" is, but Hillary Clinton is certainly NOT a "Plan B" for many DUers. George II Jul 2015 #21

Don't do that! zappaman Jul 2015 #22

Thru the grinder in Vermont means they were out of Cherry Garcia & he had to buy Funky Monkey FSogol Jul 2015 #35

... greatauntoftriplets Jul 2015 #204

I am very worried about the SCOTUS and Hillary is not plan B for me Gothmog Jul 2015 #161

I'm worried about the Supreme Court too. calimary Jul 2015 #222

Keeping this positive... population size isn't that important. mwooldri Jul 2015 #191

Population size isn't that important? murielm99 Jul 2015 #229

Make up your mind... kjones Jul 2015 #233

Just So You Know . . . Gamecock Lefty Jul 2015 #23

I support you and your candidate even as the Clinton supporters mock. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #25

That's what this campaign is about RobertEarl Jul 2015 #29

Really. blue neen Jul 2015 #96

I'm with you safeinOhio Jul 2015 #32

You flatter yourself. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #26

Your just the Kind of person that Helps Dem's lose election lewebley3 Jul 2015 #27

I'll take a chance. Hillary is no risk. She isn't a risk because we can be reasonably assured Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #33

Bernie has nothing to recommend except he isa nice guy: So is my Dad lewebley3 Jul 2015 #38

Would that be those "comfortable shoes".... 99Forever Jul 2015 #179

What Bernie says doesn't matter: What Hillary and Obama says does they in are working politics lewebley3 Jul 2015 #298

..... 99Forever Jul 2015 #301

Bernie can not fill Obama shoes only Hillary can AlbertCat Jul 2015 #269

Hillary admires a lot of people; She is a nice person! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #293

She is a nice person! AlbertCat Jul 2015 #326

all or nothing for me retrowire Jul 2015 #43

Why did he vote for the ACA? LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #126

If I recall correctly... retrowire Jul 2015 #130

And yet you suggest you might stay home if HRC is the candidate onenote Jul 2015 #146

I admit my fallacy. retrowire Jul 2015 #148

a safe seat in Vermont AlbertCat Jul 2015 #272

^^^THIS^^^ Excellent point. nt Curmudgeoness Jul 2015 #280

How is it Vermont bashing? LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #329

And you are willing to let the GOP control the SCOTUS for a generation? Gothmog Jul 2015 #164

no retrowire Jul 2015 #170

I did Gothmog Jul 2015 #176

Yeah baby! That's what I'm talkin' about! PatrickforO Jul 2015 #195

the house will only change if the Presidential candidate successfully nationalizes...... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #37

Bernie can't do that: Hillary can because American's know her and trust her lewebley3 Jul 2015 #44

the winner of the Democratic Primary is the best prepared virtualobserver Jul 2015 #49

No, winner the of Dem party is not the most prepared: Dem lost over and over lewebley3 Jul 2015 #66

Uh, no. I'm afraid it's you who needs to "check your history". jeff47 Jul 2015 #207

Are you using talk-to-text or something? bunnies Jul 2015 #54

LOL navarth Jul 2015 #78

Maybe English isn't the first language? bunnies Jul 2015 #82

In order to avoid flames, navarth Jul 2015 #84

... bunnies Jul 2015 #85

The Dem party is about sharing and being smart! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #83

Interesting response. bunnies Jul 2015 #87

The number of people who trust her is significantly dropping, her favorability is dropping... Kalidurga Jul 2015 #71

No she is not: Real clear poltics or the CNN poll lewebley3 Jul 2015 #81

"Significantly" dropping? What is that in numbers? George II Jul 2015 #158

I know her... abakan Jul 2015 #74

Coming from the other side of the pond... mwooldri Jul 2015 #201

All polls on trust and favorably TM99 Jul 2015 #232

Hillary is the best chance the Dem have to keep the white house, AlbertCat Jul 2015 #39

THIS. retrowire Jul 2015 #121

This is the same thing that was said in 2008 artislife Jul 2015 #151

"What good is having the White House if......." George II Jul 2015 #173

Getting to pick Scalia's and Kennedy's replacements on the SCOTUS is meaningful Gothmog Jul 2015 #177

He spent many years fighting the GOP and big money Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #100

What has Bernie gotten done? He a talker lewebley3 Jul 2015 #304

You stick with that. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #318

Eh... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #105

oh dear. I'm shaking in my boots. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #28

Maybe I am blind but I have not seen anyone here on DU asjr Jul 2015 #41

Thank you, that was very well said n/t Sheepshank Jul 2015 #55

Well said Gothmog Jul 2015 #167

+1 Many people are afraid of Bernie Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #45

... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #47

For many here, Hillary is Plan A oberliner Jul 2015 #48

+1 Metric System Jul 2015 #114

YES, LETS. Its Bernie v Hillary v MARTIN, elleng Jul 2015 #50

+1 Well said. n/t FSogol Jul 2015 #52

Thank you! Raine1967 Jul 2015 #79

Could it be argued that we have "30+ years" of seeing candidates like Bernie lose and Renew Deal Jul 2015 #58

I disagree that we've been seeing candidates like Bernie for 30+ years. ladjf Jul 2015 #103

I can agree with this, especially the reality of a Plan B. randys1 Jul 2015 #59

You pretty much had me until the threats part. marble falls Jul 2015 #70

Are you suggesting you get more with candy than a hammer? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #73

Hammers don't convince. marble falls Jul 2015 #75

And when all you have is one the whole world looks like a nail./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #76

OUT OF THE PARK Indepatriot Jul 2015 #89

Nice to see the "no disruptive meta" rule is strictly enforced.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #90

You had me up until the last three paragraphs. historylovr Jul 2015 #92

Agree! BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #180

I hope to hell you are correct. It would please me to see that America still ladjf Jul 2015 #93

Frustration HassleCat Jul 2015 #99

The Eagleton thing was the only problem that McGovern had Gothmog Jul 2015 #181

As Mahatma Ghandhi said; Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #107

I'm used to being marginalized here since 2003 olddots Jul 2015 #110

Hillary has been through the grinder. Bernie hasn't been the target of the Right like she has. That Metric System Jul 2015 #112

I didn't vote for Clinton. I voted Socialist at the time ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #118

Well, I will make my point again. TNNurse Jul 2015 #122

Corporate Greed Glennn1000 Jul 2015 #124

Excellent first post! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #153

Thank you Glennn1000 Jul 2015 #159

Love it!! RiverLover Jul 2015 #221

Thank you Glennn1000 Jul 2015 #383

welcome to du questionseverything Jul 2015 #300

Clear; or opaque? Sancho Jul 2015 #131

Bernie's cool RelativelyJones Jul 2015 #132

I am sick of THIS Cosmocat Jul 2015 #134

Excellent post, Cosmocat. blue neen Jul 2015 #230

Just watch what you say, RobertEarl. You'll be alerted on for the slightest fucking thing. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #136

Yeah, RobertEarl Jul 2015 #224

I am a Hillary supporte, but... MarianJack Jul 2015 #139

I find it totally disrespectful how some on DU talk about him. He is and has been a glinda Jul 2015 #149

I agree, but I also find it totally disrespectful how some on DU talk about Hillary randys1 Jul 2015 #152

What is exacting disrespectful? Many here doubt that Sanders is viable in the general election Gothmog Jul 2015 #175

I understand very well all of what you have just said. But glinda Jul 2015 #234

Discussions about viability are pointless at this stage. blackspade Jul 2015 #250

I disagree-we are in the primary process and we need to select the best possible candidate Gothmog Jul 2015 #261

i thought candidates were not supposed to coordinate with pacs? questionseverything Jul 2015 #302

Pacs are not suppose to but the system is broken Gothmog Jul 2015 #307

from your link questionseverything Jul 2015 #308

If the FEC was able to do its job there should be more such convictions Gothmog Jul 2015 #309

just to be clear...coordination is illegal questionseverything Jul 2015 #315

How Presidential Candidates Are Pushing Past Campaign Finance Boundaries This Time Gothmog Jul 2015 #397

So money trumps (no pun intended) policy on the viability scale now? blackspade Jul 2015 #319

An argument bears no logical relationship sulphurdunn Jul 2015 #171

I guess that depends on how you define "disrespect" Martin Eden Jul 2015 #178

This is disgusting! You should be ashamed of yourself! I know Bernie would be!!! 66 dmhlt Jul 2015 #182

Well Done, Robert Earl, Well Done Indeed. 2banon Jul 2015 #186

I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore! That's what we need. Bern Baby Bern! n/t brewens Jul 2015 #202

Is disagreeing with Bernie on any issue the same as disrespecting Bernie? Progressive dog Jul 2015 #213

But the backlash should be factual... blackspade Jul 2015 #214

Champion? I distrust anyone who hero worships a politician. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #231

If Hillary and Bill sincerely tried to change the system (Citizens United for example), it JDPriestly Jul 2015 #235

Beautifully said, JDPriestly. Thank you. senz Jul 2015 #243

Fully agreed, RobertEarl. SoapBox Jul 2015 #238

And we are tired of 3rd Way "Democrats" who are more like Republicans than true Democrats! emsimon33 Jul 2015 #239

Okay, reading through this thread, I'm a tad horrified to read that groups here at DU actually senz Jul 2015 #241

HILLARY DUCKS TAX THE RICH QUESTION Glennn1000 Jul 2015 #246

Of course she does. It's a stupid stance. It doesn't sell. Except to Bernie supporters. Darb Jul 2015 #265

Congrats. 99Forever Jul 2015 #266

You're system of rating the ridiculousness of a post matters nil. Darb Jul 2015 #270

You do know that Sanders has already proposed a small tax on Wall Street trade? ieoeja Jul 2015 #290

Not this one. I think it is a great idea, and one that would not hurt. Darb Jul 2015 #331

Umm... Kermitt Gribble Jul 2015 #306

This is about elections and strategy, not some stupid popularity contest. Darb Jul 2015 #334

Just pointing out Kermitt Gribble Jul 2015 #369

I echo your sentiments in many ways. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #248

Not for me, Hillary is A, Bernie is C. Darb Jul 2015 #263

A "B"? Can I submit this for extra credit and get the grade up to a B+ or A-? FSogol Jul 2015 #278

B+ Darb Jul 2015 #335

LOL, Thanks! n/t FSogol Jul 2015 #336

O'M supporters are not as aggressive as the Sanders folks, why is that? Darb Jul 2015 #338

When we put together our O'M group on DU, we acknowledged that at the end of the day, FSogol Jul 2015 #339

Repubs Getting Ready DownriverDem Jul 2015 #292

No doubt, he will be Darb Jul 2015 #337

Yep. Recommended. mmonk Jul 2015 #279

I knew Bernie was for real when ... DrBulldog Jul 2015 #288

Beware of Repub Plan Against Bernie DownriverDem Jul 2015 #291

I guess this is a one way street for you. Beacool Jul 2015 #294

Just an observation: Any OP which starts out "Let's be clear...." is probably not going to go well. yellowcanine Jul 2015 #299

What disrespect? Even Hillary supporters have nothing but postive things to say about Bernie. Fla Dem Jul 2015 #316

Shame on you, making people hyperventilate Scootaloo Jul 2015 #403