2016 Postmortem

Martin Eden

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178. I guess that depends on how you define "disrespect"

Tue Jul 7, 2015, 06:55 PM

Jul 2015

Criticism of a politician and disagreement about who would best represent the public interest and can win the general election can be done in a respectful manner. Without an open exchange of ideas and honest debate, a forum loses its value. Echo chambers are to be avoided.

Earlier today (not noticing a thread near the top of the Greatest Page was in the Hillary Clinton Group) I responded to a post containing a very flawed argument -- and in very short order was blocked from posting there. I trashed the Group so I wouldn't see it any more. It really has no value in terms of discussion, at least for me.

BTW, I fully support Bernie Sanders for president. He can withstand criticism & disagreement, and so can we. In fact, I enjoy the opportunity to engage in those debates.

Respect should always be shown, even in a heated debate. Losing your cool usually means losing the argument, even when you're right.

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Lets be clear about Bernie vs Hillary [View all] RobertEarl Jul 2015 OP

So, now we are down to threats? FSogol Jul 2015 #1

I'm happy to debate...or what you call backlash... tgards79 Jul 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author FSogol Jul 2015 #4

Yes, Sanders people ideologues, not loyal Dem's lewebley3 Jul 2015 #46

I totally disagree with your assertions that Sanders people ladjf Jul 2015 #95

Still pushing that nonsense, are you? Gore1FL Jul 2015 #109

I'm a Bernie supporter ut oh Jul 2015 #111

Good for you. It is amazing however redstateblues Jul 2015 #150

It is a small portion of people, nothing too amazing about it. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #183

I supported every Democratic candidate from Mondale to Obama Trajan Jul 2015 #119

Me too. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #142

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #156

Links Please. bvar22 Jul 2015 #162

I supported Gore and now I support Sanders. Sanders is the only one of either Party who has not Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #172

Beautiful post ... very well said!!! brett_jv Jul 2015 #236

Excellent post MissDeeds Jul 2015 #249

I totally agree. nt. druidity33 Jul 2015 #253

This! marym625 Jul 2015 #268

Gore didn't run as team player, that hurt him: Hillary is running as a team player lewebley3 Jul 2015 #313

Awesome! KPN Jul 2015 #317

Judging by the amount of help Gore got from the Clintons in 2000 corkhead Jul 2015 #209

That is a false statement. blackspade Jul 2015 #216

You know, spade, sayin' it doesn't make it true. Nitram Jul 2015 #251

Facts are what make it true. blackspade Jul 2015 #255

Nader ran as a third party candidate. senz Jul 2015 #240

Yes, its is: Dem's are having to waste money and time lewebley3 Jul 2015 #296

Wow, so you think debates are a waste of time and money? That there should be no choice? DebJ Jul 2015 #324

Obama, didn't debate anyone when he ran for a second term! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #328

Duh, uh, after you have been/currently ARE President, um, YES DebJ Jul 2015 #381

Hillary should keep evolving, times change, Political challenges change lewebley3 Jul 2015 #384

Wow, it is truly amazing how you stick to your position that no one should DebJ Jul 2015 #392

No one is stoping anyone from being heard: lewebley3 Jul 2015 #393

You just don't want them to be seen next to each other for comparison.............. n/t DebJ Jul 2015 #394

Oh, please: What difference does it make what they look like? lewebley3 Jul 2015 #396

I don't think this debate will be a snooze at all...unless Hillary does some DebJ Jul 2015 #398

Hillary never side stepped any questions; She dosen't dance to Sanders tune! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #399

Hm and those polls were spot on, weren't they? n/t DebJ Jul 2015 #400

We had a lot of Debates, there is nothing new about Sanders or HIllary lewebley3 Jul 2015 #379

Dems don't have anything to debate about??????????????????????? DebJ Jul 2015 #380

Deb- Mother Of Four Jul 2015 #404

Thanks Mother of Four. Actually, I have a lot of stray small bits of time on my hands DebJ Jul 2015 #410

Hillary earned this nomination a long time, AlbertCat Jul 2015 #333

"Hillary could have run as sitting president"? Ken Burch Jul 2015 #367

Oh dear gawd davidpdx Jul 2015 #389

+1 nt artislife Jul 2015 #395

Another shining example of what Hillary supporters on DU are like Scootaloo Jul 2015 #412

So Nader voters took away from Gore's vote count in the general election. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #332

Sorry, to much is on the line: Sanders is not helping the Dem's fight the GOP lewebley3 Jul 2015 #406

Got anything to back that up with? This Sanders 'person' and every one of those I knew sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #283

History of the Dem's backs that up: Nader did not give speeches for Gore lewebley3 Jul 2015 #295

"Sanders people are into themselves"....what in the world does that mean, in English? DebJ Jul 2015 #382

You do know that Nader is NOT a Democrat davidpdx Jul 2015 #390

Yes, but He is America who chose himself over the country lewebley3 Jul 2015 #391

Nonsense. I did not do that. 840high Jul 2015 #323

Bernie rep's a lot of talk, Not change lewebley3 Jul 2015 #409

200,000 Florida Democrats voted for Bush. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #401

If someone voted for Bush, they were not Democrats by definition lewebley3 Jul 2015 #407

They were registered Democrats and they voted for Bush Scootaloo Jul 2015 #411

Got some data on that? I'm a Bernie supporter and did NOT support Nader sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #402

Yep shenmue Jul 2015 #184

It is exactly the same AverageGuy Jul 2015 #206

I completely reject the "both parties are the same" meme. That old canard is FSogol Jul 2015 #247

I suspect we are down to open frustration. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #242

Lets be clear RobertEarl Jul 2015 #370

and now you've personalized it. FSogol Jul 2015 #371

Speaking your language is all RobertEarl Jul 2015 #372

Show me one post where I have been disrespectful to Sanders. FSogol Jul 2015 #373

You disrepect yourself RobertEarl Jul 2015 #374

Couldn't find one, huh? FSogol Jul 2015 #375

You are the one claiming a threat: which is a false claim RobertEarl Jul 2015 #376

I've been quite pleased with the responses to my posts on O'Malley. You keep on FSogol Jul 2015 #377

Thanks RobertEarl Jul 2015 #378

Have a nice day?? You just threatened half of the posters here with backlash. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #3

Translation: I hate you all, Love Robert. FSogol Jul 2015 #6

LOL. Pretty much. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #7

With friends like you? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #8

You are making threats, but that doesn't mean I feel threatened. Pace yourself, FSogol Jul 2015 #10

LOL SunSeeker Jul 2015 #60

ROFL! Raine1967 Jul 2015 #72

Take YOUR OWN COUNCIL. Your claims of threats are desperate at best. 2banon Jul 2015 #187

I thought Bernistas prided themselves on their open-eyed view of the world. Nitram Jul 2015 #254

distorted twisted perspective on the definition of threat. n/t 2banon Jul 2015 #286

"a declaration of an intention or determination to inflict punishment in retaliation for... Nitram Jul 2015 #287

Threats. Followed by mockery? Here is why some are upset by your OP. Follow the White Rabbit: Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #276

Yeah, it is very sad. Sometimes it feels like I am reading Drudge or Briebart or Freepville FSogol Jul 2015 #277

Don't worry buddy, we'll all gladly support Bernie if he wins the nomination. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #11

No one is messing with Bernie, he is getting free ride because is a nice guy lewebley3 Jul 2015 #51

"You just can't face that fact most Dem and lib's don't support his candidacy" concreteblue Jul 2015 #104

If y'all are so sure Bernie is going to win... Nitram Jul 2015 #256

Constant attacks? Bubzer Jul 2015 #388

I'm confused... Bubzer Jul 2015 #228

"It is just advice to let you know that if you mess with Bernie, we take it personal." sufrommich Jul 2015 #174

Am I to understand that challenging the assumption of his electability is disrespectful? brooklynite Jul 2015 #5

The OP did not even come close to suggesting that. You know what disrespectful means. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #185

Think about 50% of American children living in poverty if the Republicans win... brooklynite Jul 2015 #190

And why would the GOP win? blackspade Jul 2015 #218

I'm not convinced... brooklynite Jul 2015 #223

I am so glad our founders were more brave than you. Take a chance on freedom and liberty. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #226

So you rationalize that 22% is ok. I am going for reducing that number, not justifying why it's ok. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #225

You are making some rather far-fetched and patronizing assumptions aboutt Clinton supporters. Nitram Jul 2015 #257

Wow. Since the poster doesn't define "electability", I had to assume as to what they meant. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #274

My suggestion is , if you are in doubt, ask what their definition is. Nitram Jul 2015 #275

My assumption was a legitimate assumption as I've many times that Sen Sanders rhett o rick Jul 2015 #281

It was a personal assumption, no matter how you try to defend it. Why not just ask? Nitram Jul 2015 #282

I was addressing the poster not Clinton supporters. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #284

"Not electable" is not equivalent to "not backed by enough coporate sponsors." Nitram Jul 2015 #285

I doubt that anyone here has ever said that Clinton has "not a liberal bone in her body". rhett o rick Jul 2015 #289

You kinda lost me there toward the end, but I liked the rest arcane1 Jul 2015 #9

To us, Clinton is more of the same RobertEarl Jul 2015 #14

And I remember the very same leftynyc Jul 2015 #56

Obama took corporate money. Tommymac Jul 2015 #101

Obama was foreshadowing what's to come. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #123

No offense brother but you're not thinking it through all that deeply ... brett_jv Jul 2015 #237

Nicely put, brett. Nitram Jul 2015 #264

"Mostly just a message?" Nitram Jul 2015 #258

+1 RiverLover Jul 2015 #259

So basically you can't take criticism of your candidate. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #12

This is the Hillary Clinton group. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #36

That bubble should be made of steel. AlbertCat Jul 2015 #40

Safety glasses required. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #65

Do you feel the same way about the Sanders group? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #127

Unlike Hillary, Bernie did not order diplomats to spy on the UN. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #143

I said the Sanders group. Not Sanders. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #144

The Hillary Clinton group bans people OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #154

Comparing her to a republican or criticism of her is not allowed in our room. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #155

It's the land of Make Believe. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #157

Do you approve of safe haven banning those who break their rules? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #160

Yes. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #163

Well we can argue all night but i think i made and you made your point. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #166

I wear my ban with pride. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #168

I am sure several wear their bans from different rooms with pride as well. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #169

I didn't criticise her or compare her to a Republican, yet I got blocked.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #267

Well you are welcome to complain to skinner. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #314

Skinner's not a host of the group who blocked me because of a personal grudge. You are Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #340

Take care and enjoy posting. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #341

I will. Just wanted other DUers to know they can be blocked for petty personal reasons... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #342

Lol i have plenty of times. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #343

What groups that yr supportive of the SOP of have you been blocked from because someone hates you? Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #344

I have seen it done to others. I am not blocked from any group. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #345

So you think it's fair for anyone to be blocked because a host hates them? Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #346

You are putting me in the position of publicly calling out a host of another group hrmjustin Jul 2015 #347

I take it ur answer is you do think it's fair Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #348

Look, from what i read just before you were banned you got into it with several HRC supporters in hrmjustin Jul 2015 #349

Huh? No I didn't. And I've never critic used hlary Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #350

But you gave our members a hard time. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #351

Again that's totally untrue. Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #353

You posted this right before you were banned. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #354

That wasn't right before I was blocked and had nothing to do with hillary Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #355

Yes it was you were banned the next day, hrmjustin Jul 2015 #356

No it wasn't. And it wasn't about Hillary. Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #357

You posted it on the 21 and was blocked on the 22nd. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #358

My timestamp says 21st and 23rd... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #361

No but you gave HRC supporters here a hard time. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #362

So you keep on claiming, but that's just not true... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #363

We can argue this forever but i have no desire to. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #364

Well seeing there's nothing there to argue it'd be pointless Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #365

Take care of yourself. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #366

Were you looking in a mirror when you typed that? Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #271

The hrc room has been around since the beginning of DU3. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #312

How do you feel about the Sanders group? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #133

Not when Bernistas post stuff like this. Nitram Jul 2015 #260

The hRC group like the Sanders group is a safe haven for supporters. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #42

A safe haven OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #61

Your opinion. If you have a complaint you can take it to skinner. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #62

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #102

I got a hide for calling spmeone dishonest last week. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #128

And how many times have you posted this? kath Jul 2015 #138

1 think one in gdp and once in the HRC room. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #141

Does the one in ATA not count? Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #273

I never mentioned my hide in ata. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #311

Does it matter? Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #147

Oh FFS as if the Bernie group is any different LordGlenconner Jul 2015 #203

That's comical pscot Jul 2015 #57

I wasn't the one who banned you but it is a safe haven for HRC supporters. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #64

I was and am undecided for the primaries pscot Jul 2015 #88

You called her a place holder of the 1 percent. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #94

I still think she's a placeholder for the one percent pscot Jul 2015 #97

That is your right but the host was right to ban you. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #98

As noted, I didn't take it personally pscot Jul 2015 #106

And the ban was not personal. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #108

On that, I agree....I was banned from the Sanders group because I responded to a post... George II Jul 2015 #116

I agree and if I remember right they didn't before DU3. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2015 #129

Yeah that might be good, because I replied on a thread that was in the HRC 'safe haven' room and was PatrickforO Jul 2015 #192

I can see having separate forums for like-minded people where their ideas and thoughts... George II Jul 2015 #196

We are having the discussion in General Discussion. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #197

So we are! PatrickforO Jul 2015 #198

That's as offensive as people mistakenly claiming that Sanders is a "Communist" - I know it's... George II Jul 2015 #115

And THAT is what we've had to put up with on this site - all this "corporatist" candidate crap.... George II Jul 2015 #113

Yep. And we will not put up with it in the HRC room. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #117

We shouldn't have to put up with it anywhere on DEMOCRATIC Underground........ George II Jul 2015 #120

Censorship is not Democratic Indepatriot Jul 2015 #135

This site has rules. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #137

I think you're confusing DU with HU... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #193

What is hU? hrmjustin Jul 2015 #194

It's not "censorship" George II Jul 2015 #140

Join the club frylock Jul 2015 #67

Welcome to the club! OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #68

I got tossed also Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #69

Me too. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #145

Got banned from it in 2012 for saying she might not win 2016. jeff47 Jul 2015 #199

No you got banned for your responses in this thread. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #205

And you'll note I got attacked jeff47 Jul 2015 #208

Well if i am not mistaken you are not a fan 8f HRC. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #210

I hadn't posted anything about her for a very long time at that point. jeff47 Jul 2015 #211

Yeah i think the hosts got it right. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #212

Now. I should thank them for the push. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #217

If the criticism is based on fact. So tell me your criticism that is based on fact. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #227

Very nicely put! Left coast liberal Jul 2015 #13

Thanks RobertEarl Jul 2015 #16

This was your attempt at being extra nice?? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #19

Indeed. Valid question. calimary Jul 2015 #219

Sounds.... quickesst Jul 2015 #91

Really only one appropriate reply to this mess of an OP zappaman Jul 2015 #15

Bernie's been through the grinder? leftynyc Jul 2015 #17

You got that right - OhZone Jul 2015 #189

Not a chance. blackspade Jul 2015 #220

Wow - I just got a chill leftynyc Jul 2015 #244

And why did McGovern lose? blackspade Jul 2015 #252

Not sure what your point is leftynyc Jul 2015 #262

I think my point was pretty clear blackspade Jul 2015 #320

McGovern was the candidate leftynyc Jul 2015 #321

So your saying that if Bernie wins that centrist Democrats won't support him? blackspade Jul 2015 #322

Stop putting words in my mouth leftynyc Jul 2015 #325

I'm putting NO words in your mouth. blackspade Jul 2015 #327

Spare me the bullshit leftynyc Jul 2015 #330

FFS, You are all over the place on this. blackspade Jul 2015 #352

Oy vey leftynyc Jul 2015 #368

OHMY! I'm beginning to think a lot of people here - OhZone Jul 2015 #359

I thought the primaries were the time to get to know the candidates. hamsterjill Jul 2015 #18

Thanks, Jill RobertEarl Jul 2015 #30

Oh sweet sanity - Mother Of Four Jul 2015 #405

Appreciate your words. hamsterjill Jul 2015 #408

Bernie has not been through the grinder: He sat in a small state doing nothing for years lewebley3 Jul 2015 #20

Wait a minute leftynyc Jul 2015 #24

Thank you leftnyc peacebird Jul 2015 #31

The Clinton's are a team, lewebley3 Jul 2015 #34

Uh - no leftynyc Jul 2015 #53

Hillary has different positons, becasue times have change! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #80

but retrowire Jul 2015 #125

..... 2banon Jul 2015 #188

You guys need to make up your mind tularetom Jul 2015 #63

They have been fair game on everything, The Clinton's have with stood all of it! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #77

Very nice, but how about answering the question - are they both running or just Hillary? tularetom Jul 2015 #86

First of all, "Sheri" is SHERROD, a male. RiverLover Jul 2015 #215

Bullshit leftynyc Jul 2015 #245

"He could never be in charge of Defense, it just won't been safe." We're not safe now, in fact grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #165

You really want to hang bank deregulation, welfare reform, NAFTA and anti-drug laws around her neck? jeff47 Jul 2015 #200

The Clinton's administration was one of the most successfully economies the US has ever had! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #303

Hrm...let me look....Did I mention the economy in that list? jeff47 Jul 2015 #305

The Clinton's first Budget, the one that didn't bet a single GOP vote! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #310

What in the budget caused the tech bubble? jeff47 Jul 2015 #360

Again the Clinton's were successful:Dont visit the Bushes mistakes on Hillary lewebley3 Jul 2015 #385

It took you two days to come up with that? jeff47 Jul 2015 #386

NO, I didn't take two days: I have a life! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #387

Hey Bernie Folks DownriverDem Jul 2015 #297

I don't know who "us" is, but Hillary Clinton is certainly NOT a "Plan B" for many DUers. George II Jul 2015 #21

Don't do that! zappaman Jul 2015 #22

Thru the grinder in Vermont means they were out of Cherry Garcia & he had to buy Funky Monkey FSogol Jul 2015 #35

... greatauntoftriplets Jul 2015 #204

I am very worried about the SCOTUS and Hillary is not plan B for me Gothmog Jul 2015 #161

I'm worried about the Supreme Court too. calimary Jul 2015 #222

Keeping this positive... population size isn't that important. mwooldri Jul 2015 #191

Population size isn't that important? murielm99 Jul 2015 #229

Make up your mind... kjones Jul 2015 #233

Just So You Know . . . Gamecock Lefty Jul 2015 #23

I support you and your candidate even as the Clinton supporters mock. Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #25

That's what this campaign is about RobertEarl Jul 2015 #29

Really. blue neen Jul 2015 #96

I'm with you safeinOhio Jul 2015 #32

You flatter yourself. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #26

Your just the Kind of person that Helps Dem's lose election lewebley3 Jul 2015 #27

I'll take a chance. Hillary is no risk. She isn't a risk because we can be reasonably assured Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #33

Bernie has nothing to recommend except he isa nice guy: So is my Dad lewebley3 Jul 2015 #38

Would that be those "comfortable shoes".... 99Forever Jul 2015 #179

What Bernie says doesn't matter: What Hillary and Obama says does they in are working politics lewebley3 Jul 2015 #298

..... 99Forever Jul 2015 #301

Bernie can not fill Obama shoes only Hillary can AlbertCat Jul 2015 #269

Hillary admires a lot of people; She is a nice person! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #293

She is a nice person! AlbertCat Jul 2015 #326

all or nothing for me retrowire Jul 2015 #43

Why did he vote for the ACA? LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #126

If I recall correctly... retrowire Jul 2015 #130

And yet you suggest you might stay home if HRC is the candidate onenote Jul 2015 #146

I admit my fallacy. retrowire Jul 2015 #148

a safe seat in Vermont AlbertCat Jul 2015 #272

^^^THIS^^^ Excellent point. nt Curmudgeoness Jul 2015 #280

How is it Vermont bashing? LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #329

And you are willing to let the GOP control the SCOTUS for a generation? Gothmog Jul 2015 #164

no retrowire Jul 2015 #170

I did Gothmog Jul 2015 #176

Yeah baby! That's what I'm talkin' about! PatrickforO Jul 2015 #195

the house will only change if the Presidential candidate successfully nationalizes...... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #37

Bernie can't do that: Hillary can because American's know her and trust her lewebley3 Jul 2015 #44

the winner of the Democratic Primary is the best prepared virtualobserver Jul 2015 #49

No, winner the of Dem party is not the most prepared: Dem lost over and over lewebley3 Jul 2015 #66

Uh, no. I'm afraid it's you who needs to "check your history". jeff47 Jul 2015 #207

Are you using talk-to-text or something? bunnies Jul 2015 #54

LOL navarth Jul 2015 #78

Maybe English isn't the first language? bunnies Jul 2015 #82

In order to avoid flames, navarth Jul 2015 #84

... bunnies Jul 2015 #85

The Dem party is about sharing and being smart! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #83

Interesting response. bunnies Jul 2015 #87

The number of people who trust her is significantly dropping, her favorability is dropping... Kalidurga Jul 2015 #71

No she is not: Real clear poltics or the CNN poll lewebley3 Jul 2015 #81

"Significantly" dropping? What is that in numbers? George II Jul 2015 #158

I know her... abakan Jul 2015 #74

Coming from the other side of the pond... mwooldri Jul 2015 #201

All polls on trust and favorably TM99 Jul 2015 #232

Hillary is the best chance the Dem have to keep the white house, AlbertCat Jul 2015 #39

THIS. retrowire Jul 2015 #121

This is the same thing that was said in 2008 artislife Jul 2015 #151

"What good is having the White House if......." George II Jul 2015 #173

Getting to pick Scalia's and Kennedy's replacements on the SCOTUS is meaningful Gothmog Jul 2015 #177

He spent many years fighting the GOP and big money Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #100

What has Bernie gotten done? He a talker lewebley3 Jul 2015 #304

You stick with that. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #318

Eh... kenfrequed Jul 2015 #105

oh dear. I'm shaking in my boots. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #28

Maybe I am blind but I have not seen anyone here on DU asjr Jul 2015 #41

Thank you, that was very well said n/t Sheepshank Jul 2015 #55

Well said Gothmog Jul 2015 #167

+1 Many people are afraid of Bernie Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #45

... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #47

For many here, Hillary is Plan A oberliner Jul 2015 #48

+1 Metric System Jul 2015 #114

YES, LETS. Its Bernie v Hillary v MARTIN, elleng Jul 2015 #50

+1 Well said. n/t FSogol Jul 2015 #52

Thank you! Raine1967 Jul 2015 #79

Could it be argued that we have "30+ years" of seeing candidates like Bernie lose and Renew Deal Jul 2015 #58

I disagree that we've been seeing candidates like Bernie for 30+ years. ladjf Jul 2015 #103

I can agree with this, especially the reality of a Plan B. randys1 Jul 2015 #59

You pretty much had me until the threats part. marble falls Jul 2015 #70

Are you suggesting you get more with candy than a hammer? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #73

Hammers don't convince. marble falls Jul 2015 #75

And when all you have is one the whole world looks like a nail./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #76

OUT OF THE PARK Indepatriot Jul 2015 #89

Nice to see the "no disruptive meta" rule is strictly enforced.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #90

You had me up until the last three paragraphs. historylovr Jul 2015 #92

Agree! BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #180

I hope to hell you are correct. It would please me to see that America still ladjf Jul 2015 #93

Frustration HassleCat Jul 2015 #99

The Eagleton thing was the only problem that McGovern had Gothmog Jul 2015 #181

As Mahatma Ghandhi said; Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #107

I'm used to being marginalized here since 2003 olddots Jul 2015 #110

Hillary has been through the grinder. Bernie hasn't been the target of the Right like she has. That Metric System Jul 2015 #112

I didn't vote for Clinton. I voted Socialist at the time ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #118

Well, I will make my point again. TNNurse Jul 2015 #122

Corporate Greed Glennn1000 Jul 2015 #124

Excellent first post! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #153

Thank you Glennn1000 Jul 2015 #159

Love it!! RiverLover Jul 2015 #221

Thank you Glennn1000 Jul 2015 #383

welcome to du questionseverything Jul 2015 #300

Clear; or opaque? Sancho Jul 2015 #131

Bernie's cool RelativelyJones Jul 2015 #132

I am sick of THIS Cosmocat Jul 2015 #134

Excellent post, Cosmocat. blue neen Jul 2015 #230

Just watch what you say, RobertEarl. You'll be alerted on for the slightest fucking thing. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #136

Yeah, RobertEarl Jul 2015 #224

I am a Hillary supporte, but... MarianJack Jul 2015 #139

I find it totally disrespectful how some on DU talk about him. He is and has been a glinda Jul 2015 #149

I agree, but I also find it totally disrespectful how some on DU talk about Hillary randys1 Jul 2015 #152

What is exacting disrespectful? Many here doubt that Sanders is viable in the general election Gothmog Jul 2015 #175

I understand very well all of what you have just said. But glinda Jul 2015 #234

Discussions about viability are pointless at this stage. blackspade Jul 2015 #250

I disagree-we are in the primary process and we need to select the best possible candidate Gothmog Jul 2015 #261

i thought candidates were not supposed to coordinate with pacs? questionseverything Jul 2015 #302

Pacs are not suppose to but the system is broken Gothmog Jul 2015 #307

from your link questionseverything Jul 2015 #308

If the FEC was able to do its job there should be more such convictions Gothmog Jul 2015 #309

just to be clear...coordination is illegal questionseverything Jul 2015 #315

How Presidential Candidates Are Pushing Past Campaign Finance Boundaries This Time Gothmog Jul 2015 #397

So money trumps (no pun intended) policy on the viability scale now? blackspade Jul 2015 #319

An argument bears no logical relationship sulphurdunn Jul 2015 #171

I guess that depends on how you define "disrespect" Martin Eden Jul 2015 #178

This is disgusting! You should be ashamed of yourself! I know Bernie would be!!! 66 dmhlt Jul 2015 #182

Well Done, Robert Earl, Well Done Indeed. 2banon Jul 2015 #186

I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore! That's what we need. Bern Baby Bern! n/t brewens Jul 2015 #202

Is disagreeing with Bernie on any issue the same as disrespecting Bernie? Progressive dog Jul 2015 #213

But the backlash should be factual... blackspade Jul 2015 #214

Champion? I distrust anyone who hero worships a politician. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #231

If Hillary and Bill sincerely tried to change the system (Citizens United for example), it JDPriestly Jul 2015 #235

Beautifully said, JDPriestly. Thank you. senz Jul 2015 #243

Fully agreed, RobertEarl. SoapBox Jul 2015 #238

And we are tired of 3rd Way "Democrats" who are more like Republicans than true Democrats! emsimon33 Jul 2015 #239

Okay, reading through this thread, I'm a tad horrified to read that groups here at DU actually senz Jul 2015 #241

HILLARY DUCKS TAX THE RICH QUESTION Glennn1000 Jul 2015 #246

Of course she does. It's a stupid stance. It doesn't sell. Except to Bernie supporters. Darb Jul 2015 #265

Congrats. 99Forever Jul 2015 #266

You're system of rating the ridiculousness of a post matters nil. Darb Jul 2015 #270

You do know that Sanders has already proposed a small tax on Wall Street trade? ieoeja Jul 2015 #290

Not this one. I think it is a great idea, and one that would not hurt. Darb Jul 2015 #331

Umm... Kermitt Gribble Jul 2015 #306

This is about elections and strategy, not some stupid popularity contest. Darb Jul 2015 #334

Just pointing out Kermitt Gribble Jul 2015 #369

I echo your sentiments in many ways. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #248

Not for me, Hillary is A, Bernie is C. Darb Jul 2015 #263

A "B"? Can I submit this for extra credit and get the grade up to a B+ or A-? FSogol Jul 2015 #278

B+ Darb Jul 2015 #335

LOL, Thanks! n/t FSogol Jul 2015 #336

O'M supporters are not as aggressive as the Sanders folks, why is that? Darb Jul 2015 #338

When we put together our O'M group on DU, we acknowledged that at the end of the day, FSogol Jul 2015 #339

Repubs Getting Ready DownriverDem Jul 2015 #292

No doubt, he will be Darb Jul 2015 #337

Yep. Recommended. mmonk Jul 2015 #279

I knew Bernie was for real when ... DrBulldog Jul 2015 #288

Beware of Repub Plan Against Bernie DownriverDem Jul 2015 #291

I guess this is a one way street for you. Beacool Jul 2015 #294

Just an observation: Any OP which starts out "Let's be clear...." is probably not going to go well. yellowcanine Jul 2015 #299

What disrespect? Even Hillary supporters have nothing but postive things to say about Bernie. Fla Dem Jul 2015 #316

Shame on you, making people hyperventilate Scootaloo Jul 2015 #403