2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Lets be clear about Bernie vs Hillary [View all]leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I'm NOT all over the place, I'm saying the same freeking thing over and over. It wasn't just a party issue for McGovern. That's simply nonsense (and frankly, if you think the big money people - the ones needed to win in the days of citizens united - will throw it at Sanders - you're dreaming). You can't win an election of just Democrats. Just look at what percent of Americans even identify as Democrats - I think it was 37% - can you win an election with 37%? NO, YOU CAN'T so ignore moderates and independents at your own peril. Those same moderates and independents that elected Pres Obama elected GWB TWICE. Look at how many state houses are republican, how many governors - this is NOT a red or blue country - it's a purple country. The simple reality is that this country's moderates and independents wet their pants over the word socialist - these are not people who follow politics day in and out but they do vote in presidential elections.
I asked your age simply because the younger you are, the more idealistic and whatever the antonym of cynical is. I used to be flabbergasted that anyone would vote for a republican for President. Then I grew up and realized far too many Americans vote fear. Fear beats idealism every single time. And if you don't think this whole immigration issue in the news right now is anything but trying to make people afraid, you're not paying attention to anything but what you wish to pay attention to. And I still strongly believe it will be Jeb Bush simply because that's who the establishment wants and they tend to get what they want.