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Darb

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30. Only the people who did not know the difference I am sure. But I can guarantee this,

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:15 AM

Jul 2015

the discussion about the U6 never came up in the media. It is only now that a Democrat is in office that the press even mentions U6. And is everyday fodder on Fux and talk radio, where I contend it never got a mention under George Derrrr Bush.

The reason some here don't like all this U6 talk is that there has ALWAYS been a U6, only in recent years has it been annoyingly brought to the attention of everyone. And for one reason and one reason only, to make President Obama's steady leadership look not quite as good as it truly is. Pure and simple.

The fact that Bernie is expounding on the same U6 canard is his business, but don't expect it to go unnoticed.

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CNBC and Bureau of Labor Statistics...the real unemployment rate. Not just Bernie's word on it. [View all] madfloridian Jul 2015 OP

Thanks. Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #1

I'm suprised it's not higher Hydra Jul 2015 #2

More RW talking points at DU to deflect from the economic progress made ....did someone forget to close the Trojan Gate? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #3

At the peak of the recession U 6 was 17.1!!! DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #4

SO if the right mentions it that means we can't discuss it even if it's a valid point? madfloridian Jul 2015 #6

It's only valid when you actually explain the U6 numbers... Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #11

"Saying the REAL unemployment rate is above 10% is shocking because we've been conditioned..." madfloridian Jul 2015 #13

He didn't talk about it honestly, tho. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #15

I vowed to not get negative. madfloridian Jul 2015 #16

Am I supposed to be scared? Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #18

The unemployed who are no longer listed on rolls...betcha they believe it's true. madfloridian Jul 2015 #21

He absolutely is being dishonest. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #40

Are you scared? Of what? madfloridian Jul 2015 #65

It's pretty clear he mislead... Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #68

He spoke the truth. He is NOT right wing. I am NOT right wing. That is disgusting. madfloridian Jul 2015 #70

LOL no he didn't... Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #73

please do not let them get to you questionseverything Jul 2015 #59

Nothing I or any Bernie supporter posted through the years matters now. madfloridian Jul 2015 #62

Are 10% of workers unemployed or not? As just a person, not some mathematician who sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #48

It means they have a motive when they "the right" make it news. Agschmid Jul 2015 #27

The question was how many PEOPLE are actually out of work. That's all people care about. The Left sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #49

Excellent observation. The fact is.... George II Jul 2015 #7

Better shut up, Bernie. It doesn't matter what you say.... madfloridian Jul 2015 #8

To the 6% who many cannot even collect welfare what difference does 9%-6% mean? Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #54

It means that the 3% did NOT lose their homes, cars, healthcare, etc.... George II Jul 2015 #55

It means 3% is OK? Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #56

Is that the bottom line? YES, the 3% is okay, but we haven't stopped working because of that... George II Jul 2015 #57

then, damn it, if they can't received unempoyment-give them something to live on Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #76

That last sentence is exactly why Bernie Sanders is gaining on the front runner. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #22

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #72

In other words...."I just got a 10% raise and a 15% bonus" does NOT mean the economy is booming! George II Jul 2015 #77

They didn't just question, they went a bit wack over it. SoapBox Jul 2015 #5

Sorry, but Bernie is also manipulating numbers. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #9

I know, shame on him. Right?? madfloridian Jul 2015 #10

Well wages are higher than they were a few years ago. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #12

Drunken Irishman just made a great point about historical U6 Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #14

Oh, I have responses. Oh yes, many. madfloridian Jul 2015 #17

What resolution? Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #19

..... madfloridian Jul 2015 #20

All the other DUer did was point out some very simple historical facts about U6 Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #24

Back at you LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #69

Funny, when Bush was president we had no problem pointing out the FACT the in the US sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #23

It changed when along came Bernie. madfloridian Jul 2015 #25

And this is why he has been so successful so far, because people do not feel they are just a sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #26

I was going to post just this. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #28

Yes, I remember it well. We were outraged that they were 'fudging the numbers' to try to make Bush sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #29

Only the people who did not know the difference I am sure. But I can guarantee this, Darb Jul 2015 #30

Exactly. If Bernie wants to debate which metric to use that's fine. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #32

Bernie talks about PEOPLE. He doesn't talk about 'metrics' whatever that means. And that is why he sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #43

He absolutely DID talk about a metric. UE is a MERTIC. Geeze. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #52

Are 10% of Americans unemployed or not, this isn't a difficult thing to understand sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #58

Is 10% a HIGH number or a LOW number when one looks at the HISTORIC values of this metric? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #60

UE3 is fudging the numbers? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #33

Oh yes there was a BIG change. Autumn Jul 2015 #35

By fact you mean bullshit lie, right? whatthehey Jul 2015 #36

Did you just call me a liar for stating a FACT which from your profile you would not sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #44

To help you, I will bold the bullshit lie I refuted from your post whatthehey Jul 2015 #46

You are now doubling down on calling another DUer a liar, and adding that it is 'intentional' sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #47

Wow, such vitriol from someone who is so completely wrong. tritsofme Jul 2015 #67

Everyone had a problem talking about the U6 numbers. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #41

Unemployed people are unemployed people and this isn't a political football to kick around. You are sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #45

LOL it is a political football to kick around and that's what the right and Bernie are doing. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #64

Stop it with your facts!!! JoePhilly Jul 2015 #53

You are incorrect. U3 unemployment is not based at all on receipt of unemployment benefits. tritsofme Jul 2015 #66

Great response. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #34

U6 is a government number. jeff47 Jul 2015 #38

And THAT is shameful isn't it? That in one of the richest countries in the world, jobs are being sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #50

What's the trend look like and how does it correlate with the traditional measure? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #31

No, the RW likes to use U6 during Democratic administrations, and U3 during Republican admins. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #39

So he means U6, measured and published for decades along with U3 whatthehey Jul 2015 #37

Oh look ibegurpard Jul 2015 #42

The figures back Bernie up...he's still called a liar. And I am attacked for posting the figures. madfloridian Jul 2015 #51

This is false U5 and U6 Down year over year!!!! uponit7771 Jul 2015 #75

Bernie failed to mention that the "real unemployment rate" (u6) has been dropping dramatically.. DCBob Jul 2015 #61

+1!!! ****DING DING DING***** Same bullshit in 2000 IMHO uponit7771 Jul 2015 #74

Kick! FloriTexan Jul 2015 #63

***U5 and U6 rate both down*** if Bernie is hinting at Obama's recover then he's no fuckin better... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #71