2016 Postmortem

retrowire

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129. good analogy

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:08 AM

Jul 2015

Hillary has always been a fighter but she could very well be too comfortable for her own good.

then again, her campaign has noticed Bernie as a threat this early so they could still pull a close race.

I believe however that Hillary's popularity had peaked at last years election. I don't think she can go anywhere but down. its been years, new negatives are being revealed, etc.

but Bernie is new and has nowhere to go but up. and his message is widely accepted while his record is damn near spotless. the chances are quite good for him.

I think too many people doubt him because they're afraid of real change and the risk of losing this race.

the democratic party will not lose this race. guaranteed. we just need Bernie in the house to change it for good, rather than Hillary to play by the rules and change a few things for the better.

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To hell with it! [View all] retrowire Jul 2015 OP

'just takes a backseat to the chest pounding competition of politics of the red vs blue' HFRN Jul 2015 #1

We can't win the House without addressing gerrymandering in some way. mmonk Jul 2015 #2

This has to be done state by state. We took care of it in California and other Cleita Jul 2015 #5

Bernie will do more for this kenfrequed Jul 2015 #34

I like Bernie but he can't win so I'm for Hillary or I like Hillary because Cleita Jul 2015 #3

I like Hillary, but realistically she cannot win. She's tried before. She's lost to the populist Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #26

yep retrowire Jul 2015 #41

I think to many, Bernie is a breath of fresh air than the same old sickening political RKP5637 Jul 2015 #57

Shades of "Obama cannot win". nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #46

The line I hear is, "Hillary is the only one who can raise the money." JDPriestly Jul 2015 #63

That too! Cleita Jul 2015 #64

Don't even get me started on THAT! arcane1 Jul 2015 #82

I agree. This is our last chance. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #106

The best for me udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #4

Red vs Blue?- ruffburr Jul 2015 #6

+100% thanks! /nt demwing Jul 2015 #77

Also Conservative vs. Liberal The Rs and the Ds seem to be groups of people libdem4life Jul 2015 #122

A vote for Hillary is also a vote to make sure that the SCOTUS is not controlled by the GOP Gothmog Jul 2015 #7

what part of retrowire Jul 2015 #12

So you are comfortable letting the GOP control the SCOTUS? Gothmog Jul 2015 #20

please explain to me retrowire Jul 2015 #24

Knife to Gun Fight Gothmog Jul 2015 #49

ok retrowire Jul 2015 #53

I live in the real world where money is important Gothmog Jul 2015 #78

sounds to me retrowire Jul 2015 #81

I am spending a great deal of my time pro bono working on voter protection issues Gothmog Jul 2015 #89

"but right now I am supporting a candidate who I think can win in November." Right now Bernie is Cal33 Jul 2015 #94

I completely agree; but, what's more ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #18

FANTASTIC!! RobertEarl Jul 2015 #104

Sanders vows to only appoint anti-CU justices. Will Clinton make that vow? arcane1 Jul 2015 #83

Hillary Clinton made this vow a while back Gothmog Jul 2015 #85

Consider me pleasantly surprised for that! arcane1 Jul 2015 #88

President Obama also used a super pac in 2012 Gothmog Jul 2015 #90

Yeah, Dems are always "forced" into pro-corporate stances in order to win. arcane1 Jul 2015 #91

Clinton beating Bernie would be disappointing to many. Nitram Jul 2015 #8

A Republican never would beat Bernie or Hillary. For almost 25 years, Bernie has won, first Cleita Jul 2015 #10

this. retrowire Jul 2015 #13

Vermont is a solid blue state... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #17

I thought Bernie ran as an Independent because of Vermont's leaning to the right? Cleita Jul 2015 #19

Where did you hear this? Gothmog Jul 2015 #21

Some talk radio show. I don't remember which one. It was a couple of years ago. n/t Cleita Jul 2015 #25

I remember now. Cleita Jul 2015 #31

Election results show that Vermont is a solid blue state Gothmog Jul 2015 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #27

Okay. I stand corrected. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #28

Bernie has won some tough races against long odds AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #66

Nope. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #42

Then why did the Vermonters back George Bush like Thom Hartmann has stated. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #44

HW (in 1988), not W. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #56

Maybe it was HW. He never said the exact dates he was living there. I assumed it was the Shrub. Cleita Jul 2015 #62

TH often mentions a northern part of VT that's quite rural, conservative appalachiablue Jul 2015 #87

I think Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #118

Democrats won't be staying home. Those who will be staying home eridani Jul 2015 #127

To hell with strawman, ad hominem and false equivalency logical fallacies! To hell for them all!! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #9

Oh jeez. Stop with that nonsense. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #11

Bernie would ensure that as well retrowire Jul 2015 #14

And around and around and around we go.... Nitram Jul 2015 #15

Of course, but you're the one arguing "to hell with it!". No one else is. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #30

I'm simply stating retrowire Jul 2015 #36

It is a question that we can't seem to get an answer to AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #32

I suspect her point is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #70

no disrespect retrowire Jul 2015 #74

Give her time. charin Jul 2015 #16

i only fear retrowire Jul 2015 #22

What's taking her so long? Is it because she has to sound populist without pissing off her Cleita Jul 2015 #23

I think Bernie puts her between a rock and a hard place AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #40

I say good for him. Cleita Jul 2015 #43

this! retrowire Jul 2015 #52

This has nothing to do with winning for the sake of winning... brooklynite Jul 2015 #29

so "safe bet" retrowire Jul 2015 #33

Your rights? brooklynite Jul 2015 #59

pessimism never changes the world retrowire Jul 2015 #65

I've supported and believed in plenty of candidates who lost... brooklynite Jul 2015 #67

i understand. retrowire Jul 2015 #72

McGovern inspired that in me...my first vote at age 21. It's been a long slog since then. libdem4life Jul 2015 #123

Can anyone point to a reputable poll comparing Bernie to the Repub candidates? bigbrother05 Jul 2015 #39

I don't think there is such a thing anymore. It seems the trend from landlines to cell phones have Cleita Jul 2015 #47

So, if HRC does become the general election candidate for the Democrats, lark Jul 2015 #35

yep retrowire Jul 2015 #37

I would vote for her if I have to. And yes she will put people on the SCOTUS who protect women jwirr Jul 2015 #79

Going for the safe bet is rarely a good strategy, in my opinion. SheilaT Jul 2015 #38

Bernie doesn't rip Hillary and neither should you lame54 Jul 2015 #45

Thank you. calimary Jul 2015 #51

if any of my facts retrowire Jul 2015 #54

Hillary doesn't need to rip Sanders when her surrogates are perfectly happy to do it. frylock Jul 2015 #61

good point as well. retrowire Jul 2015 #68

And so does he. calimary Jul 2015 #111

hillary has claire mccaskill retrowire Jul 2015 #112

if any of my facts retrowire Jul 2015 #55

Nothing good comes from giving into fear. Maedhros Jul 2015 #48

thank you retrowire Jul 2015 #58

the scary wild card that may affect this election virtualobserver Jul 2015 #60

I'm voting Bernie. I think Hillary would be a better president. Proud Public Servant Jul 2015 #69

excellent post retrowire Jul 2015 #71

I am voting ideology Proud Public Servant Jul 2015 #76

thanks for clarifying! :) retrowire Jul 2015 #80

YEP! Cosmocat Jul 2015 #86

Have you tried yoga? Sancho Jul 2015 #73

yes but retrowire Jul 2015 #75

Just how the fuck does this help bernie? Cosmocat Jul 2015 #84

wow retrowire Jul 2015 #92

1) yours is not an accurate description of why people support Clinton BainsBane Jul 2015 #95

my opinion retrowire Jul 2015 #97

And if I say a vote for Bernie BainsBane Jul 2015 #99

im sorry you feel that way. retrowire Jul 2015 #101

Good post, the reasoning is great. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #113

Usury? raouldukelives Jul 2015 #130

Wall Street makes money from money BainsBane Jul 2015 #131

No, you didnt "simply state most hillary voters are choosing her for the wron reasons." Cosmocat Jul 2015 #109

regarding your last sentence retrowire Jul 2015 #110

People have been supporting hillary for a quarter century Cosmocat Jul 2015 #114

even if what I'm saying has truth in it? retrowire Jul 2015 #117

There is no "reasoning" involved with you Cosmocat Jul 2015 #124

i want Bernie to win. retrowire Jul 2015 #125

Jury results BainsBane Jul 2015 #96

democracy works retrowire Jul 2015 #98

If that were true BainsBane Jul 2015 #100

my apologies if you feel insulted by my OP retrowire Jul 2015 #102

Meanwhile, the media is looking forward to the smash mouth politics of the House vs the Clintons. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #93

Well after reading that I am still voting for Hillary. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #103

as long as you read it. retrowire Jul 2015 #105

Despite my little bit of snark i think you are just saying what you feel. hrmjustin Jul 2015 #107

of course i am. retrowire Jul 2015 #108

Yes, she is the "safe bet" and Bernie is an extremely risky bet. DCBob Jul 2015 #115

hes really not that big of a risk retrowire Jul 2015 #116

Do you have any links to show that republicans Lisa D Jul 2015 #120

You got me. retrowire Jul 2015 #121

K&R! LiberalElite Jul 2015 #119

I don't see any candidate as a safe bet. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #126

Here's the thing. If we think of this primary season and the general election as being akin to PatrickforO Jul 2015 #128

good analogy retrowire Jul 2015 #129

this is still relevant today. sigh n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #132

Still relevant. n/t retrowire Oct 2015 #133