2016 Postmortem

Cleita

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47. Did you read my post? That's how they did it.

Thu Jul 9, 2015, 02:38 PM

Jul 2015

I also remember coming on DU and seeing endless posts on Howard going crazy and screaming at the podium from other candidate camps in the campaign. Of course Fucked Up News, and the rest picked up the scream moment and not the context and played it endlessly with no explanation or rebuttal from the media darling Democratic pundits all of them corporate dems like James Carville, Donna Brazzile and company. Next week Kerry was the leading candidate. I actually asked a political science professor, I know from the local university, what happened. He said it was a classic take down of a candidate by his own party to push their favorite candidate to the forefront. But trust me it won't happen again. Howard was a bit naive about his own eating him. Bernie knows the score. He has been in Washington for almost twenty five years and he knows who have the knives to stick in his back.

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The Bernie Sanders bubble: Get set for a flameout, analysts say [View all] hack89 Jul 2015 OP

Unrec. Agschmid Jul 2015 #1

+1 zappaman Jul 2015 #60

I agree...flamebait. haikugal Jul 2015 #109

Agreed. MuseRider Jul 2015 #113

Who does this "former chief strategist for Howard Dean"... bvar22 Jul 2015 #126

You missed the point of the OP hack89 Jul 2015 #171

They are working to get him elected. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #203

And you know this how? Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #204

There are meet-ups happening all over the country. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #208

Time (at least until Super Tuesday) will tell. hack89 Jul 2015 #210

Hey bvar! MuseRider Jul 2015 #172

Because what place do everyday people.... daleanime Jul 2015 #2

More quackery from media hacks ram2008 Jul 2015 #3

Steve McMahon is big time party hack Divernan Jul 2015 #44

quackery hackery, I like it virtualobserver Jul 2015 #59

maybe our initial response to Bernie jumping in was correct? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #4

Time... daleanime Jul 2015 #73

It is presently July 2015 Tom Rinaldo Jul 2015 #5

In 2007 Obama had raised $25 million by April. $58 million by July. hack89 Jul 2015 #11

Bernie ha an engaged activist base constituency Tom Rinaldo Jul 2015 #16

I understand your need to believe that hack89 Jul 2015 #192

Not in the number of contributors Mnpaul Jul 2015 #175

So? hack89 Jul 2015 #193

So the candidate with the most $$$ wins? Mnpaul Jul 2015 #207

i don't like it but it is our present reality hack89 Jul 2015 #209

It's our present reality Mnpaul Jul 2015 #211

I'm sure if Bernie took money from Goldman Sachs etc. Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #196

Sure. No argument from me on that point. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #197

'traveling circus'? Really? Not at all n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #6

So there is evidence of a multi-state organization? hack89 Jul 2015 #9

The unions udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #13

So all the unions are organizing for Bernie? Any links? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #15

FYI the unions already are organized n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #18

So they are all working with Bernie's campaign? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #20

Sanders enjoys a lot of support from labor unions udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #30

Lol, guy seems to make a habit of making 'errors' like that. The internal polling must be very bad sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #129

!!! BlueJazz Jul 2015 #162

So it has to be either one or the other. A classic false dichotomy n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #17

The propaganda machine in action. azmom Jul 2015 #7

Yep, sure looks that way! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2015 #176

Just keep on thinking that madokie Jul 2015 #8

You don't think Dean's supporters were equally committed? hack89 Jul 2015 #12

If history is doomed to repeat itself... arcane1 Jul 2015 #21

So lets tie his fate to the latest winning campaign and see how he compares. hack89 Jul 2015 #24

Or, let's not fall into the stupid trap of saying history must always repeat itself. arcane1 Jul 2015 #26

2007 and 2015 are quite different virtualobserver Jul 2015 #36

ok nt hack89 Jul 2015 #58

And Obama didn't win any debates in the primary JI7 Jul 2015 #63

so when Bernie does? Even better. virtualobserver Jul 2015 #66

that Obama winning the nomination had nothing to do with debates JI7 Jul 2015 #69

I disagree, but why do you feel that way? n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #72

because i supported Obama and followed the campaign JI7 Jul 2015 #75

So did I.....so why did he win? in your opinion. n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #81

one of the most charismatic and talented politicians ever JI7 Jul 2015 #87

yes, and you don't think that people saw that in the debates? virtualobserver Jul 2015 #91

not in the debates JI7 Jul 2015 #95

OK, I give up n/t virtualobserver Jul 2015 #96

Obama was beign groomed for the Presidency since before his speech at the 2004 Convention. bvar22 Jul 2015 #148

So far, the Clinton team is 0-1 Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #117

i would say dean supporters were more committed JI7 Jul 2015 #51

still pushing that meme....and adding to it virtualobserver Jul 2015 #52

people who don't donate can vote also JI7 Jul 2015 #55

oh, you mean ACTUAL voters virtualobserver Jul 2015 #56

Sure, the powers that be will figure out so wayto discredit him... Human101948 Jul 2015 #10

Typical Of The Press - Put Out A Negative Piece Like This...... global1 Jul 2015 #14

The media killed Howard Dean's presidential run angryvet Jul 2015 #19

Lack of money and organization were bigger factors hack89 Jul 2015 #22

$15 million is lack of money? ram2008 Jul 2015 #31

Obama had raised $58 million by this point in July 2007 hack89 Jul 2015 #57

Source? I see 26 million ram2008 Jul 2015 #70

His Total Receipts were for $58,912,520 hack89 Jul 2015 #71

Obama joined in Feb, $15 million is enough to run a formidable campaign ram2008 Jul 2015 #89

Obama raised $25 million by March. hack89 Jul 2015 #90

Blatantly dishonest ram2008 Jul 2015 #97

Romney had raised $44 million by July 07. Edwards $23 million. McCain $25 million. hack89 Jul 2015 #101

because they announced months EARLIER ram2008 Jul 2015 #118

So he is behind and in a huge hole hack89 Jul 2015 #132

He's neither ram2008 Jul 2015 #139

His national poll numbers are nothing to crow about nt hack89 Jul 2015 #141

No he isn't. He's in first tier territory, and ready to step toe to toe with Clinton Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #121

Right. Got it. nt hack89 Jul 2015 #134

You've been a busy little bee okasha Jul 2015 #190

Not in terms of money. Nt hack89 Jul 2015 #194

Who needs millions when you have over 200,000+ volunteers and increasing Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #213

Any candidate that wants to win hack89 Jul 2015 #217

M$M can't control social media Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #120

Rec. Crowds don't mean anything, really. lunamagica Jul 2015 #23

You forgot one.. frylock Jul 2015 #128

Like I said, crowds don't mean anything. lunamagica Jul 2015 #159

Yep, that's what you said. frylock Jul 2015 #161

"Steve McMahon - Ass" StandingInLeftField Jul 2015 #25

Steve McMahon's Purple Strategies Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #34

Seems like a great guy.... Indepatriot Jul 2015 #37

Hahahahahahahahaha fredamae Jul 2015 #27

Yes, there is evidence of a large grassroots campaign marym625 Jul 2015 #28

Well bless Steve McMahon's little heart. Autumn Jul 2015 #29

ha ha no traveling circus I assure you. and many ARE going to IA and NH! TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #32

For the campaign? Or, among Bernie supporters? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #33

Same meme, different week AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #35

Howard Dean got thrown under the bus by the corporate dems, who then pushed forward Cleita Jul 2015 #38

How did they do this? brooklynite Jul 2015 #41

Did you read my post? That's how they did it. Cleita Jul 2015 #47

So this crafty plan required that Dean first lose in Iowa and then let out a scream? mythology Jul 2015 #78

He placed third. He didn't lose. Cleita Jul 2015 #82

But remember how electable Kerry was? frylock Jul 2015 #135

Big difference. Dean is a centrist, also DLC. Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #214

dean had already lost iowa when the scream happened JI7 Jul 2015 #50

He placed third. Cleita Jul 2015 #74

they didn't.there were other states and Dean had limited appeal JI7 Jul 2015 #76

You know I don't care what version of history you want to go with. Cleita Jul 2015 #79

I completely agree with what you said MuseRider Jul 2015 #174

Traveling circus? Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #39

Next will be comparisons to the freak show. frylock Jul 2015 #158

We had supporters outside at Comicon today nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #191

I can't speak for any state besides my own Bjorn Against Jul 2015 #40

Hey Bjorn Kalidurga Jul 2015 #133

Yes, I was at the Southdale meeting Bjorn Against Jul 2015 #166

Cool Kalidurga Jul 2015 #177

The Boston Herald rag wishes it were so..... TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #42

Sour grapes from sore loser/Dean's chief strategist. Divernan Jul 2015 #43

Only in politics are people who botched the fuck out of a job later asked to critique others seeking Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #45

Yep, and when Sanders does beat Clinton, this idiot hack will be back.. frylock Jul 2015 #54

Rec'ing this because, as Cindy Sheehan said, snot Jul 2015 #46

Reccing for same reason nt Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #216

"I utterly failed in the 2004 campaign I ran. So I can provide excellent advice on how to win now" jeff47 Jul 2015 #48

After a quick read through, I have to disagree with some of the analysis ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #49

The envelope, please! cloudbase Jul 2015 #61

A Swing, and a miss ... Here let me serve up a big fat one, right down the middle ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #62

I might have to alert this post. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #64

Water Is wet? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #65

I'll alllow it. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #67

Got something against dry ice? Laughing right along with you, Strong. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #181

Well per some DUers ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #183

Indeed it is! Here's an image of it... Get this... 'Subliming...' freshwest Jul 2015 #189

Your post reeks of time zone bigotry! Take that! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #180

LOL. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #184

There you go again RobertEarl Jul 2015 #80

There you go again listening to the voices in your head rather than what I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #110

I read between the lines RobertEarl Jul 2015 #114

Well, you are not very good at it ... So please stop; or, better, place me on ignore ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #136

Dehydration does, too. Great illusion there. Thanks for triggering my laughter gene. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #179

Gee, who know ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #185

Regarding that sig line. I saw Martin on teevee! Look at me! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #182

Why are you calling Martin a racist!!!!!!! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #186

Oh, I gotta find my reading glasses for that one! n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #187

And the good news is, by February no one will remember he said it. malthaussen Jul 2015 #53

It's getting more and more clear that there will be some serious flameouts here as well. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #68

There will indeed be flameouts. I expect a full-blown PUMA conflagration.. frylock Jul 2015 #140

um... Left coast liberal Jul 2015 #77

He is referring to state wide GOTV organizations hack89 Jul 2015 #83

Traveling circus tazkcmo Jul 2015 #84

Bernie's the Independent. I am a Democrat hack89 Jul 2015 #85

Bernie is a Democrat RobertEarl Jul 2015 #86

He is a political opportunist. hack89 Jul 2015 #88

He is a dedicated US senator RobertEarl Jul 2015 #92

Rudeness and pettiness are all too common on DU to surprise me. hack89 Jul 2015 #93

You called Bernie a political opportunist RobertEarl Jul 2015 #94

I said it. I meant it. hack89 Jul 2015 #98

Here's what Bernie and any good Democrat wants RobertEarl Jul 2015 #111

Nothing wrong with that hack89 Jul 2015 #125

Because he can't be bought? RobertEarl Jul 2015 #131

No. hack89 Jul 2015 #137

He's just a Community Organizer..... frylock Jul 2015 #144

Who was a rising star with a national profile hack89 Jul 2015 #146

And who's numbers are trending upward as we type? frylock Jul 2015 #149

And who still has a massive lead? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #151

Over a year out.. frylock Jul 2015 #154

The game hasn't even started hack89 Jul 2015 #156

I expect the momentum for Sanders to be at full speed by then.. frylock Jul 2015 #163

Obama had the Daley organization in Chicago okasha Jul 2015 #206

So when Hillary carpetbagged to Manhattan to start her presidential aspirations.. frylock Jul 2015 #143

She didn't switch parties, now did she? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #147

Sanders is doing the Democrats a solid by doing so. frylock Jul 2015 #150

Yes. When he concedes hack89 Jul 2015 #153

mmm-hmmmm frylock Jul 2015 #155

I can't imagine him being that ungracious about it hack89 Jul 2015 #157

No, I'm sure President Sanders will be very gracious.. frylock Jul 2015 #160

Just like President Kucinich did? hack89 Jul 2015 #195

"my skin is plenty thick" aspirant Jul 2015 #112

Do not be surprised by the Admins' reaction okasha Jul 2015 #200

Wow. Koinos Jul 2015 #215

When you have doubts aspirant Jul 2015 #106

I have no doubts. hack89 Jul 2015 #108

"I doubt it" (post #88) your own words aspirant Jul 2015 #119

I doubt I will be singing a different tune come next November hack89 Jul 2015 #127

Another doubt aspirant Jul 2015 #165

I remember being a delegate at my state convention during hrc's first run. juxtaposed Jul 2015 #99

But Obama had raised a huge amount of money hack89 Jul 2015 #105

Right now we are so far out from the same time that no one knows. juxtaposed Jul 2015 #123

The Gungeonite speaks Trajan Jul 2015 #100

As a gun owner I should support Bernie hack89 Jul 2015 #103

Thank you! Change has come Jul 2015 #205

the media wouldnt lie about something like this HFRN Jul 2015 #102

translation 'now the media is considering him a real threat' nt HFRN Jul 2015 #104

I agree with this. DCBob Jul 2015 #107

You should peep the tens of thousands of small but vocal group of hard core followers.. frylock Jul 2015 #145

Circus.Tell that to the people that came in to see Bernie. Man of Distinction Jul 2015 #115

Sure. Do you have their names handy? nt hack89 Jul 2015 #138

interesting that instead of playing other candidates up restorefreedom Jul 2015 #116

Sanders has a huge social media presence and former Obama media people are working with him. Avalux Jul 2015 #122

I just have to assume a lot of Clinton supporters just don't do Facebook. frylock Jul 2015 #152

Bookmarked so I can revisit next February. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #124

That's the fun part of politics. nt hack89 Jul 2015 #142

There had already been 3 debates in the 2008 cycle, the 4th on July 12th. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #130

Critical thinking Failure. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #164

Would these be the same analysts who told us Bernie would never get off the ground? n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #167

Just a general question about this sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #168

Thanks for your concern. GoneOffShore Jul 2015 #169

You are welcome. nt hack89 Jul 2015 #170

There are some legitimate points there Renew Deal Jul 2015 #173

He packed a ballroom in NV June 19 Mnpaul Jul 2015 #178

Well actually, yes Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2015 #198

Yes what? Renew Deal Jul 2015 #199

I saw it today nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #188

Objectively speaking I think it is far too early to determine the viability of any candidate at this still_one Jul 2015 #201

Of COURSE "pundits" would say that...they are desperate to see Bernie collapse... Ken Burch Jul 2015 #202

If they're only talking about Iowa TexasBushwhacker Jul 2015 #212

Jesus Christ... your avi & comments FollowtheDough Jul 2015 #218